Knowledge needed for my 1st cycle of TEST

[Big]

it would be a huge mistake for you to cycle in the near future, you're just asking for an injury if you do.

[Big]

I've heard of plenty who do and don't regret it in the slightest. Zyzz is a name which pops up and many will know (Google him, used when he was 17), don't think he is.

if I'm not mistaken, the infamous zyzz that many seem so enamored with would be in his early 20's now, far to young to realize the consequences of the damage he may have caused. that's one of the flaws in your mindset. we get far too many kids here who think because someone they know used when they were way too young and haven't had problems a few years later, then all is well. I've seen my share of guys who have problems in their 30's due to early use/abuse, and you can bet there are many more who don't step forward.
in the end, it is irresponsible to advocate the use of steroids by people who are still-developing hormonally, and the board collectively stands against it.

[lovbyts]

Didn't mean to start a controversial topic ! Didn't mean to make people who never met each other argue ! I just want to stay healthy and get to where i want to get quicker ! Time is $ ! It's not that i heard what i wanna hear it's people saying what they wanna say ! All i would like to know is tricks of the trade for my 1st cycle of test ! I don't wanna be the guy asking questions on here as i encounter the problems ! I'm not 16 experimenting new habits ! Never touched one in my life ! I have a trainer but he's unfamiliar with gear ! I understand the diet now ! Never gonna post it due to it will never be right ! Can anyone answer my question whether they believe in what i've decided to do or not ? Thanks

Simply, No because what you are choosing to do is wrong, dangerous and immature. There is no safe way to do what you are proposing. You will be back here or on another board in a few months asking for help because xxx went wrong, xxx doesnt work anymore and you feel like crap. In a few months you will look/feel worse than you do now. Sorry but it's 99% truth due to experience. We see people like you every day come and go and come back later asking for help.

[arshigtx]

Even if you dont get time to get in a lot of meals there are plenty of things to do that can add a ton of calories to your diet.

Drink a gallon of milk (GOMAD) periodically through out the day, have a couple tbsps of olive oil.

Even if you only get 3 meals a day, eat as much as you can within those individual meals. you should be aiming for atleast 3500+ cals a day.

[Zygote]

Well your question was really is there anything you should be doing or taking re side effects etc.

If you MUST take the steroids then eat properly, sleep, take the weight up slowly to give your connective tissues time to catch up to your strength gains (apart from the strength gains from gear you'll also get good brain gains in the first few months). Learn about PCT and what to take. Profit.

Edited to make people happy.

[Big]

Well your question was really is there anything you should be doing or taking re side effects etc.

Just take the steroids, eat properly, sleep, take the weight up slowly to give your connective tissues time to catch up to your strength gains (apart from the strength gains from gear you'll also get good brain gains in the first few months). Learn about PCT and what to take. Profit.

Advising someone who doesn't even work out yet to take steroids?

[lovbyts]

Advising someone who doesn't even work out yet to take steroids?

Is this an old member who has been banned with a new profile or a new member next to be banned? Either way

Zygote Why not speak less, read more and learn how we do thing around her IF you want to stay long. Terrible advise BTW

[Zygote]

Advising someone who doesn't even work out yet to take steroids?

Can you outline why you think its a bad idea for somebody to take steroids who doesn't work out?

Nothing will happen if he continues to not workout or eat. He won't explode or die or develop overnight baldness. Again nothing will happen.

The only issue I can see that would cause concern would be connective tissue problems if he does workout and I clearly outlined that in my post.

Do you get banned here for telling the truth?

[Big]

Can you outline why you think its a bad idea for somebody to take steroids who doesn't work out?

Nothing will happen if he continues to not workout or eat. He won't explode or die or develop overnight baldness. Again nothing will happen.

The only issue I can see that would cause concern would be connective tissue problems if he does workout and I clearly outlined that in my post.

Do you get banned here for telling the truth?

we believe in giving the most responsible advice available, and we are quite different than most sites on the web. we believe in using steroids to get past a plateau, or to take someone beyond where they might be able to get through diet and training alone.
we definitely do not advise steroids for people who don't work out, and the concept that you don't feel it would be a bad idea for someone who doesn't work out to take steroids makes it seem you will not fit in here.

[stevey_6t9]

this zyzz guy is heeps well know, wats so gud about him

[G4R]

Can you outline why you think its a bad idea for somebody to take steroids who doesn't work out?
Can you explain why you think it doesnt matter if they work out?

Nothing will happen if he continues to not workout or eat. He won't explode or die or develop overnight baldness. Again nothing will happen.
Did anyone say he would explode or die? I am curious as to what you think the purpose of someone using steroids is.

The only issue I can see that would cause concern would be connective tissue problems if he does workout and I clearly outlined that in my post.
So it sounds like you are saying that he will be better off not working out if he uses steroids?

Do you get banned here for telling the truth?
No, not at all. You get banned for giving horrible advice to someone when it is apparent you have no experience using the compounds yourself.

We dont tolerate ignorance here, especially when it pertains to a persons safety and health.

[Zygote]

we believe in giving the most responsible advice available, and we are quite different than most sites on the web. we believe in using steroids to get past a plateau, or to take someone beyond where they might be able to get through diet and training alone.
we definitely do not advise steroids for people who don't work out, and the concept that you don't feel it would be a bad idea for someone who doesn't work out to take steroids makes it seem you will not fit in here.

I never said it was a good idea just that it would not hurt him.

What point is a forum of people if the only ideas allowed to be expressed are not their own. Shouldn't advise be given based on evidence and fact rather then anecdotes and moral feeling?

If not then aren't you doing what politicians and pharma companies have been doing for years, obfuscating fact and misleading people?

[Big]

I never said it was a good idea just that it would not hurt him.

What point is a forum of people if the only ideas allowed to be expressed are not their own. Shouldn't advise be given based on evidence and fact rather then anecdotes and moral feeling?

If not then aren't you doing what politicians and pharma companies have been doing for years, obfuscating fact and misleading people?

not at all, to the contrary we are advising responsibly. you are welcome to stick around, observe the stance of the staff of this site and contribute accordingly. as stated however we do not tolerate what we feel is reckless or unsafe advice. the OP in this thread is 6'3", 160lbs, smokes and doesn't work out. if you think advising him to use steroids now is the right thing to do, then you won't last long here.

[lovbyts]

I never said it was a good idea just that it would not hurt him.
Wrong, if he has healthy normal Testosterone levels it will shut him down and he will have to continue to replace them artificially and suffer the possible side effects.

What point is a forum of people if the only ideas allowed to be expressed are not their own. Shouldn't advise be given based on evidence and fact rather then anecdotes and moral feeling?
Do some research and you will find there is plenty of medical fact posted here as well as personal use fact. Your opinions are greatly in the minority. Just because you think you are right doesnt make it so.

If not then aren't you doing what politicians and pharma companies have been doing for years, obfuscating fact and misleading people?

No, you need to research and dont expect us to spoon feed the information to you although it has been posted 100s of time. Prove us wrong with data and experience.

[Zygote]

We dont tolerate ignorance here, especially when it pertains to a persons safety and health.

I'm not trying to cause problems. If your rules say I can't say what I said then I apologize and it won't happen again.

To answer your questions:

"Can you explain why you think it doesnt matter if they work out?"
Nothing will happen. Whether you work out or not you still have the compound in your system. It will run its course and again, nothing will happen. If he follows normal pct he'll be fine won't he?

"Did anyone say he would explode or die? I am curious as to what you think the purpose of someone using steroids is."
The purpose is dependent on the goals of the person. I don't think its fair to say you are more responsible using steroids to push past your natural limits vs someone who wants to speed up the arrival at their natural limits. The risks are the same.


"So it sounds like you are saying that he will be better off not working out if he uses steroids?"
No I am saying since he has not worked out his strength will increase significantly and his tendons and ligaments will lag behind. Other then that I don't see any real issues that would affect him that wouldn't also affect a more accomplished person using the same gear.


"No, not at all. You get banned for giving horrible advice to someone when it is apparent you have no experience using the compounds yourself."
I have used gear for the past few years. I also researched AAS's extensively over the last few years. I have both a personal and professional interest in them at the moment and it just makes me a little angry that people won't be honest and tell the truth about them but rather like to become emotive and condescending when they are discussed.


I'd like to ask you a question, in what way and for what reasons was my advice horrible? Real reasons?

[Zygote]

Just like to add that I don't believe steroids are taken without risk. I am sterile after 3 years of non stop use and probably won't ever have children again. I already have 3 though so that was a side effect I was prepared to take.

But I am healthier then the average person my age (37), fit and my doctors happy. I think in a world of 1 I'd be proof that long term high dosages of AAS are good for you.

[lovbyts]

I'm not trying to cause problems. If your rules say I can't say what I said then I apologize and it won't happen again.

To answer your questions:

"Can you explain why you think it doesnt matter if they work out?"
Nothing will happen. Whether you work out or not you still have the compound in your system. It will run its course and again, nothing will happen. If he follows normal pct he'll be fine won't he?
What would be the point?

"Did anyone say he would explode or die? I am curious as to what you think the purpose of someone using steroids is."
The purpose is dependent on the goals of the person. I don't think its fair to say you are more responsible using steroids to push past your natural limits vs someone who wants to speed up the arrival at their natural limits. The risks are the same.


"So it sounds like you are saying that he will be better off not working out if he uses steroids?"
No I am saying since he has not worked out his strength will increase significantly and his tendons and ligaments will lag behind. Other then that I don't see any real issues that would affect him that wouldn't also affect a more accomplished person using the same gear.
NO as you say the tendons and ligaments lag behind thus putting him at higher risk to injury. Check out the injured section. We get a lot of people who try to lift to much to soon and get injured.

"No, not at all. You get banned for giving horrible advice to someone when it is apparent you have no experience using the compounds yourself."
I have used gear for the past few years. I also researched AAS's extensively over the last few years. I have both a personal and professional interest in them at the moment and it just makes me a little angry that people won't be honest and tell the truth about them but rather like to become emotive and condescending when they are discussed.
Not at all, it's just most of us here have a different opinion on how they should be used than you and the Admins have the right to ban people who they think are giving advise contrary to our beliefs. No one said it was a democracy.

I'd like to ask you a question, in what way and for what reasons was my advice horrible? Real reasons?

In bold on both post

[G4R]

I'd like to ask you a question, in what way and for what reasons was my advice horrible? Real reasons?

Because we here know that anyone, no matter what their stats, can be affected negativly by steroids. But, we also have the common sense to advise someone with the safest, and smartest way possible to acheive their goals. If someone comes in here, stands 6'3 150lbs, based on your theory, 'yah, go ahead and take steroids, it doesnt matter...' . Where as we would say, lets get your diet in check before you consider putting any compounds into your body. THAT, IS THE SAFE AND SMART THING TO DO.

Someone comes in standing 5'6 275lbs, you: 'sure, take the steroids cause it doesnt matter, it will run its course. Run your PCT and you will be fine!'.... us, you need to start on a good cutting diet and start on cardio, but first, go to your doctor and make sure you get some vitals checked before starting any exercise and diet change. Again, your advice = reckless, our advice = safe/smart.

Look, I am not going to argue with you over this. Our policy is to give members here the SAFEST, SMARTEST, and HEALTHIEST advice possible. If your opinions differ from ours, then you need to find another forum to frequent.

[Zygote]

Because we here know that anyone, no matter what their stats, can be affected negativly by steroids. But, we also have the common sense to advise someone with the safest, and smartest way possible to acheive their goals. If someone comes in here, stands 6'3 150lbs, based on your theory, 'yah, go ahead and take steroids, it doesnt matter...' . Where as we would say, lets get your diet in check before you consider putting any compounds into your body. THAT, IS THE SAFE AND SMART THING TO DO.

Someone comes in standing 5'6 275lbs, you: 'sure, take the steroids cause it doesnt matter, it will run its course. Run your PCT and you will be fine!'.... us, you need to start on a good cutting diet and start on cardio, but first, go to your doctor and make sure you get some vitals checked before starting any exercise and diet change. Again, your advice = reckless, our advice = safe/smart.

Look, I am not going to argue with you over this. Our policy is to give members here the SAFEST, SMARTEST, and HEALTHIEST advice possible. If your opinions differ from ours, then you need to find another forum to frequent.

I agree on the safe, smart, healthy thing. But that I need to have the same opinions as you to use this forum thats a bit much.

[G4R]

I agree on the safe, smart, healthy thing. But that I need to have the same opinions as you to use this forum thats a bit much.

Thats not what I mean. You obviously are entitled to your own opinion, BUT, if those opinions go against this boards policies and standards when it comes to the safety and health concerning some members and their particular situations, that is when we have a problem.

[Phate]

May do, but fact is it's largely quite common(opinion I migh add) (Must be a well researched 16 year old). People turn to gear for aesthetic reasons mostly, most don't care about lifting x and y to impress other men at the gym. As I said I don't see a problem using to gain what you want, it'll sure be faster and not once have I said you can do it without a solid solid diet and training regime, but with those + gear you'll get there a shitload quicker which is what mostly attracts people. But if he uses and gets huge in a year? **** it took way less time and guy got what he wanted.

your lack of understanding of the physiology and chemistry of the human body is the problem with your viewpoint

you can't just use steroids, get big, and then everything goes back to normal, that's like saying you can use H or meth for a few months, then stop and everything will be fine

you are ignoring the fact that when you administer ANYTHING that changes your bodies natural balance and function, there will be repercussions

either way, if you would like to debate your viewpoint i would be happy to oblige you

[Parabolic]

that's like saying you can use H or meth for a few months, then stop and everything will be fine

Accept the fact they are highly physically and psychologically addictive drugs, illegal almost everywhere, and cause severe damage to the body and there is no evidence to say otherwise. I don't ever remember someone needing 250mg of test to get out of bed in the morning like heroin.

My memory is elluding me at the moment but how do you compare (In the UK that is) Class A drugs which carry a lengthy sentence in prison... to something that is legal to use here?

I'm not saying anything to contradict what you guys have said about diet and training etc etc. I'm just saying i'm not going to advise every guy to reach his natural potential before using. to me thats absurb, where do you even draw the line? what about a guy with bad genetics? because hes not 220 9% bf hes not at his natural. It's something which has no definitive set value, it comes down to opinion. I've only said train for a good while get a solid understanding of what to do and get your diet down EXACTLY. THEN if you want to use steroids once you are fully educated. I'm probably not at my natural potential but end of day if I know how to use steroids safely and smart why shouldn't I? (and i'll ask for advice here AND take it from you all to make sure its even safer as I don't dispute you guys do know you're shit very well).

Edit: but end of day I do agree steroids won't solve op's problems. I've been training 4yrs with weights incl muay thai so my situation is vastly different but if I make a thread asking for advice and I just get told reach your natural! i'm going to facepalm as my reasons are not just bodybuilding but performance enhancing.

[Dan111]

this zyzz guy is heeps well know, wats so gud about him

he is the son of Zeus and is a God among men




....just kidding, lol

He went from 145lbs to 205lbs in 2 years with AAS and acquired a very aesthetically pleasing body that most of the people in the "Misc." section of bb.com would want. So because of their envy for him he become popular. As stated earlier he started AAS when he was 18 years old though...so who knows what kind of future problems he may have.

I can't even believe Zyzz was brought up in this thread, lol...

[G4R]

he is the son of Zeus and is a God among men




....just kidding, lol

He went from 145lbs to 205lbs in 2 years with AAS and acquired a very aesthetically pleasing body that most of the people in the "Misc." section of bb.com would want. So because of their envy for him he become popular. As stated earlier he started AAS when he was 18 years old though...so who knows what kind of future problems he may have.

I can't even believe Zyzz was brought up in this thread, lol...

This person 'zyzz' has been brought to our attention a few times lately....

[Dan111]

he actually used to post in here awhile back under the name "Azyzz", he has a stupid video in one of the threads comparing how he looked before and after

and also to be more on topic, to the OP...you said on the first page "who has time for that" in reference to one of the diets posted...well, if you have that outlook when it comes to nutrition, what makes you think you have the dedication to be lifting weights like most of the people in here, let alone to safely and effectively use AAS?

[chuckt12345]

I'm not trying to cause problems. If your rules say I can't say what I said then I apologize and it won't happen again.

To answer your questions:

"Can you explain why you think it doesnt matter if they work out?"
Nothing will happen. Whether you work out or not you still have the compound in your system. It will run its course and again, nothing will happen. If he follows normal pct he'll be fine won't he?

"Did anyone say he would explode or die? I am curious as to what you think the purpose of someone using steroids is."
The purpose is dependent on the goals of the person. I don't think its fair to say you are more responsible using steroids to push past your natural limits vs someone who wants to speed up the arrival at their natural limits. The risks are the same.


"So it sounds like you are saying that he will be better off not working out if he uses steroids?"
No I am saying since he has not worked out his strength will increase significantly and his tendons and ligaments will lag behind. Other then that I don't see any real issues that would affect him that wouldn't also affect a more accomplished person using the same gear.


"No, not at all. You get banned for giving horrible advice to someone when it is apparent you have no experience using the compounds yourself."
I have used gear for the past few years. I also researched AAS's extensively over the last few years. I have both a personal and professional interest in them at the moment and it just makes me a little angry that people won't be honest and tell the truth about them but rather like to become emotive and condescending when they are discussed.


I'd like to ask you a question, in what way and for what reasons was my advice horrible? Real reasons?

You got to understand this is a workout/body building/aas forum so all advice given is related to that. Can this guy take AAS keep same diet and not work out and still gain weight? YES,, but its not advised when it can be done in a better manner.
look i understand what your saying, alot of advice given on here changes over the years due to trial and error and research so it aggrevates me when people say something has to be done this way or has to be done that way but overall advice is given with the best info available at that given time.

[badboybassmaster]

My as well forget i even started a thread ! I'll just let you guys argue about eggs , Zyzz , and threatening to ban members for attempting to answer a question that was asked !

[MrGreen]

Ur talking complete BS!

Eat a diet like this and tell me u dont put some weight on http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=437455

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Not being smart with you but who has time for that ? I wish i did ! I do appreciate any advice though ! Thanks

I didnt read all this stuff but did read this. If you dont have time to eat right, you dont have time to train, you dont have a need for AAS.

By time I mean determination and ambition.


IMO

[chuckt12345]

My as well forget i even started a thread ! I'll just let you guys argue about eggs , Zyzz , and threatening to ban members for attempting to answer a question that was asked !

Your 27 years old, you can do what you please.
I personally have no prb with you doing a course of Test, only thing is you will be back down to the same weight 4 months after you are done with it though. Other than that go have fun.

[Parabolic]

This person 'zyzz' has been brought to our attention a few times lately....

Haha it's because he got his advice from here.

He's mentioned it a few times.

[G4R]

My as well forget i even started a thread ! I'll just let you guys argue about eggs , Zyzz , and threatening to ban members for attempting to answer a question that was asked !

I believe you were given advice.

And as far as 'threatening to ban members for attempting to answer a question that was asked'... it seems like you only wanted to listen to the people who told you what you wanted to hear.

You dont need steroids.
You do need a proper diet.
You do need proper training.
You dont need to listen to the people spoon feeding you.
You do need dedication to this if you want success.

[G4R]

Haha it's because he got his advice from here.

He's mentioned it a few times.

No doubt from people like you who are willing to give teenagers that type of advice?

[Parabolic]

No doubt from people like you who are willing to give teenagers that type of advice?

Don't be silly , what advice have I given aside I disagree with natural limit thing. Well I do agree too some extent but far as every thread when that answer gets chucked in i'm just like advise them of their question then be critical. My advice is train properly understand what you are doing in and out and then use gear natural limit or not if you so please.

His cycles were pretty spot on actually, look how much progress he made aswell. Probably you guys cause I can't say i'm that knowledgeable to advise someone in great detail on first cycles aside myself

You dont need steroids.
You do need a proper diet.
You do need proper training.
You dont need to listen to the people spoon feeding you.
You do need dedication to this if you want success.

Fully agree.

[Big]

My as well forget i even started a thread ! I'll just let you guys argue about eggs , Zyzz , and threatening to ban members for attempting to answer a question that was asked !

Would you prefer we reiterate again and again how rediculous it is for someone in your position to consider steroids? You are drastically underweight for your height, have no set diet, have a piss poor attitude when it comes to diet, and don't even work out. Stop being lazy, get your ass in the gym and start moving some weight and fix your diet or embrace being a stick figure. Or go for the alternate option, keep grasping to the few guys who come close to telling you what you want to hear. I know what I would do in your position, the choice is yours.

[Zygote]

After having a good think about this thread I think some of you may be missing some key points.

There are a few issues here:

Smoking - theres no data that suggests a steroid + smoking interaction that contribute to increased danger. I would give up the smoking just for the health benefits alone anyway but there are thousands of smokers who also use steroids.

Diet - food intake or lack of food intake + steroids do not contribute to increased danger over steroid use alone. There is no data that suggests a low calorie intake while using steroids can cause harm.

There is data that suggests supplementing with anabolic steroids for underweight people increases appetite and leads to increased calorie intake and then increased body mass. So rather then being unhealthy supplementing with steroids might actually improve health in this case. Its well known that doctors regularly prescribe anabolic steroids to people who do not exercise regularly when those people suffer from muscle wasting diseases as well as eating disorders.

Exercise - There is no data that suggests use of AAS is any safer when undergoing an exercise regime as opposed to use when not undertaking exercise. There is no data that suggests an advanced exerciser is any safer taking AAS then a newbie lifter. There is some data that suggests an experienced steroid user is more likely to come to harm then an inexperienced steroid user.

Age - There is no data that suggests a younger steroid user, whose growth plates have fused, is any more likely to experience problems then an older steroid user. There is some data to suggest an older steroid user is at greater risk of adverse affects then a younger steroid user.

Its a fallacy to believe that because a person is aged in their early 20's that they're on natural gear. The male human produces approximately 50-70mg of testosterone per week. The average test cycle is around 500mg per week. Even with a high normal testosterone level a early 20's testosterone levels are minuscule compared to a person using AAS.

Heres my conclusion:

Assuming all things equal, clean gear, clean equipment, good injecting practices, exercise with diligence and or under supervision and according to a set plan of 1.25kg - 2.5kg increase per workout on single limb exercises and 2.5kg to 5kg per workout on compound exercises. Assume doctor has given go ahead and PARQ has been completed at gym. Assuming blood work will be done.

Smoking is dangerous but lots of people smoke and take gear. Supplementing with steroids for someone underweight / not eating correctly might be beneficial and increase LBM and appetite even without exercise - the opposite of what people are saying in this thread. Supplementing with AAS is common practice in medicine where LBM is low and or appetite is suppressed and no exercise is being undertaken.

Exercise will be beneficial regardless of use of anabolic steroids in this case, while BLP will increase due to effects of testosterone they will be minor and exercise will offset those increases so the net effect will be a lower BLP, cardiovascular health will improve significantly, LBM and general wellbeing will improve in the short term.

In the long term, after cessation of anabolic steroid use over a short period (cycle) and with PCT any harmful effects of AAS use will reverse, with diligence LBM will stay at its new level and appetite will be increased due to increase in LBM and possibly learned eating habits.

This is all my opinion but its based on research. I would challenge anyone to show me data that debunks its.

[Big]

Those are all excellent reasons why you do not fit in here. As we have already stated, we do not advise steroids as a replacement for dedication, and proper diet and training. The OP in this thread is exactly the kind of person who we feel needs to make major changes and progressions before steroids should be used, and while you may feel your advice is sound, we feel it is irresponsible. We try to work as a team and point people in the right direction, sadly one person such as yourself telling them what they want to hear could likely send them down the wrong path.

[Zygote]

Those are all excellent reasons why you do not fit in here. As we have already stated, we do not advise steroids as a replacement for dedication, and proper diet and training. The OP in this thread is exactly the kind of person who we feel needs to make major changes and progressions before steroids should be used, and while you may feel your advice is sound, we feel it is irresponsible. We try to work as a team and point people in the right direction, sadly one person such as yourself telling them what they want to hear could likely send them down the wrong path.

I'm not advising anyone to do anything. I am providing information which is relevant, truthful and accurate and which is based on legitimate research.

The general consensus in medicine is that advising ANYONE to take anabolic steroids, irrespective of age, experience or otherwise is irresponsible.

[HawaiianPride.]

The general consensus in medicine is that advising ANYONE to take anabolic steroids, irrespective of age, experience or otherwise is irresponsible.

Without a medicinal purpose, I can see why one would think. There are obvious risks in both regards. To the millions of men out there who are on TRT for deficiency levels of endogenous Testosterone wouldn't fall in the "irresponsible" category.

[G4R]

I'm not advising anyone to do anything. I am providing information which is relevant, truthful and accurate and which is based on legitimate research.

The general consensus in medicine is that advising ANYONE to take anabolic steroids, irrespective of age, experience or otherwise is irresponsible.

I noticed you left out 'helpful' and 'intelligent'.

Again, if you dont like the way we run this board.... there is a simple solution for you, leave.... log off, and dont log back on. Its easy to do... just go to the bottom of the main forum page, on the right hand side of the screen, it will say: Log Out xxxxx <---- This too is truthful and accurate, and it didnt take hardly any research.

[Zygote]

I noticed you left out 'helpful' and 'intelligent'.

Again, if you dont like the way we run this board.... there is a simple solution for you, leave.... log off, and dont log back on. Its easy to do... just go to the bottom of the main forum page, on the right hand side of the screen, it will say: Log Out xxxxx <---- This too is truthful and accurate, and it didnt take hardly any research.

My post was reasonably well written. I don't think anyone reading it would argue that there wasn't some intelligence behind it. The statements are there for people to debate. If there is an inaccuracy or the information presents hidden dangers that I don't see then please point them out and I'll correct them.

Comparatively, the moderator posts so far, including this one above have been condescending and dismissive. Instead of using your superior knowledge and experience to point out the dangers or inaccuracies you have persisted with veiled insults and threats of banning / asked me to leave.

The purpose of a forum is to exchange information. The information should be accurate and truthful so that people can make informed decisions about the topic at hand.

You have a hidden policy which precludes people from giving out some truthful information because you have formed an opinion that some hidden danger lies within.

While I am happy to comply with official board policies this particular one is not addressed in the FAQ.

It seems to me that you are confusing optimal muscle building AAS use with safe use of AAS. In effect you are saying if you are not eating like a bodybuilder, lifting like a bodybuilder, don't have the body of a 10 year + veteran bodybuilder then you don't have a right to use AAS.

AAS are not used only in bodybuilding, they are used in other sports and even outside sport. There was a report recently in the news that students were using AAS to improve their academic test scores because they increase confidence, energy levels and improve concentration during study and exam time.

I think you owe it to all users, as moderators, to be truthful. A policy giving flawed information, in the hope that they won't use AAS, is a bad policy and probably not what you were recruited to do when you became a moderator. If you want to dissuade people from AAS's that can be done just as effectively with the truth and people will respect what you say more then if they feel they are being dealt with less then honestly.