Let The Flaming Begin!

[HitIt]

ok flame away

please don't crowd this thread with useless posts.

did i miss something? what you call trickery other people consider serious business

[Twist]

http://www.andrologyjournal.org/cgi/.../full/23/5/684

this study shows high levels of testosterone SUPPORT sperm production

you can have supraphysiological doses of ANDROGENS and OESTROGENS which is what I am referring to.

yes they do. but their HPTA doesnt recover while they are bridging. Bridging is an old school theory that has long since been disproven.

"The present study confirms that CPA/TE administration induces profound sperm suppression. An increase in the dose of androgen resulted in less profound sperm suppression despite no difference in gonadotropin suppression. These data suggest that high testosterone levels can maintain sperm production in men."
Unless I misread the study, I just glanced over the abstract, it states clearly that Testosterone Enanthate combined with an anti-androgen "induces profound sperm suppression." Increasing the androgen to anti-androgen ratio results in less sperm suppression, however there is no comparison to healthy individuals sperm production vs sperm production in males undergoing testosterone replacement. My friend is an endocrinologist and it is common knowledge that trt suppresses if not eliminates, sperm production. Thank you for the post Stiflersmom, I would love to hear if I misinterpreted the study or if you have another one comparing sperm production in males on and off trt.

As far as bridging I think it is a bad idea to do when you want your hpta to recover. However if you are mirroring a bridge like dose without the previous and following compounds, it is just a low dose cycle. My query is involving this.

The only thing I can say Twist, is go ingest oral anabolic steroids in low doses and come on back and fill everyone in on your results. Sounds comical to say the least.

If you paid attention to my other post you would have noticed that I am on trt and clearly state that I am not planning on implementing this on myself at all. Other than health reasons, I don't take steroids (not to say I haven't a long time ago, and that I won't in the future). So even if I took a dbol only cycle I am still running a test base as I am on trt. It was stupid people like you who thought it was "comical" that the world was round. Please parrot, get off your perch and out of my thread. The other members have added much to my thread and are helping me learn about something I know little about. **** off.

you aren't the first and won't be the last person who thought they could trick their body.

^ I thought you were calling it trickery... Anyway whatever you want to call it, we are all doing the same thing.

did i miss something? what you call trickery other people consider serious business

Thank you to most of you for staying on point.

[voidofRoids]

If you paid attention to my other post you would have noticed that I am on trt and clearly state that I am not planning on implementing this on myself at all. Other than health reasons, I don't take steroids (not to say I haven't a long time ago, and that I won't in the future). So even if I took a dbol only cycle I am still running a test base as I am on trt. It was stupid people like you who thought it was "comical" that the world was round. Please parrot, get off your perch and out of my thread. The other members have added much to my thread and are helping me learn about something I know little about. **** off.

You're right, I haven't paid attention to your other posts: your posts lack substance, you lack maturity. You lack any sequential flow of conversation, you're defensive, and you make irrelevant inferences and analogies. If you want to learn, read the massive amount of documentation readily available on this website, and ask questions as they become relevant; as opposed to flame, argue, and propose obnoxious concepts (that if you had done a little reading would understand are obnoxious).

You, sir, have a lot of growing up to do. I wish you well.

[Jean Claude]

What I read somewhere:

If your natural testosterone production capacity is at 700, but for whatever reason, your body is only producing 600, a supplementation of testosterone that would bring your levels back to 700 will not shut down your system, because you are only returning to normal for your own body. Now if you take something that will raise it to 801, your body will recognize this and shut down or lower testosterone production. There are a number of reasons why your natural test production wouldn't be optimal: diet, health, alcohol, drugs, sleep deprivation, stress, etc.

What I've done:

I stole a few Testim 1% gels from my mom's work one time. It was a sample pack with a week's worth of testosterone with 50 mg tubes (one per day for 7 days). I used 3 tubes, dividing them in half, so for six days. That's 25 mg per day. I saw increases in strength and stamina in the gym. I was a horny goat too.. I wanted to f*ck Rosie Odonnel... no just kidding.. that would be painful. But you get the idea. I stopped after that 6 days and everything returned back to normal. I don't believe that I lowered my natural testosterone by just doing that for 6 days. I probably just raised my own natural levels back up to normal because for whatever the reason (maybe cause I smoke too much weed) my levels weren't optimum.

[Twist]

come on man read the lines after what you bolded CPA suppresses the actions of testosterone (and its metabolite dihydrotestosterone) on tissues. It acts by blocking androgen receptors which prevents androgens from binding to them and suppresses luteinizing hormone (which in turn reduces testosterone levels).

An increase in the dose of androgen resulted in less profound sperm suppression despite no difference in gonadotropin suppression. These data suggest that high testosterone levels can maintain sperm production in men."


i bolded the appropriate part.

and second of all your endocrinologist friend should know testosterone has been extensively studied as a male contraceptive and was deemed ineffective.

Im not sure why your still arguing your point.



so your acknowledging even a low dose is suppressive or it wouldnt hinder HPTA recovery.....yes I am saying it can be. I also wouldn't recommend using anything at a time when you want you hpta to recover
we are talking in circles here

This group is comparing people taking two compounds to people taking only one compound. The off topic discussion we are having is related to people taking nothing and their sperm count, to people taking trt and their sperm count. Anyway as interesting as I find this, I would rather talk about the topic at hand.

You're right, I haven't paid attention to your other posts: your posts lack substance, you lack maturity. You lack any sequential flow of conversation, you're defensive, and you make irrelevant inferences and analogies. If you want to learn, read the massive amount of documentation readily available on this website, and ask questions as they become relevant; as opposed to flame, argue, and propose obnoxious concepts (that if you had done a little reading would understand are obnoxious).
You, sir, have a lot of growing up to do. I wish you well.

Well if you are not going to pay attention to my posts and you are not going to provide anything in relation to the question at hand please don't post.

i am astounded we are still discussing this.. do we have no life.. It has already been stated by every worthy vet that this theory is Bunk!!

You don't have to comment ya know. Just simply don't click on the title.

What I read somewhere:

If your natural testosterone production capacity is at 700, but for whatever reason, your body is only producing 600, a supplementation of testosterone that would bring your levels back to 700 will not shut down your system, because you are only returning to normal for your own body. Now if you take something that will raise it to 801, your body will recognize this and shut down or lower testosterone production. There are a number of reasons why your natural test production wouldn't be optimal: diet, health, alcohol, drugs, sleep deprivation, stress, etc.

What I've done:

I stole a few Testim 1% gels from my mom's work one time. It was a sample pack with a week's worth of testosterone with 50 mg tubes (one per day for 7 days). I used 3 tubes, dividing them in half, so for six days. That's 25 mg per day. I saw increases in strength and stamina in the gym. I was a horny goat too.. I wanted to f*ck Rosie Odonnel... no just kidding.. that would be painful. But you get the idea. I stopped after that 6 days and everything returned back to normal. I don't believe that I lowered my natural testosterone by just doing that for 6 days. I probably just raised my own natural levels back up to normal because for whatever the reason (maybe cause I smoke too much weed) my levels weren't optimum.

this is addressing the supplementation of testosterone. I am talking about using something other than test.

[Twist]

double post.