HGH and test cycle

[mighty1]

Thanks for reply- I have also been through the educational threads however would appreciate an answer to the following

1.at the moment my PT will be pinning me. I train at 7.30am so should I pin just before training or
just after?

2. I take it either way I can't have carbs after training?

3. Would whey isolate protein still cause a insulin spike, I assume this is what I'm trying to avoid if
no carbs are recommended until an hour after pinning??

4. I'm just wondering what I should expect by adding GH? I'm looking to run test e at low dose say 300/400mg per week just read Ronnie article on slingshot so may run week 1-8 400mg test e (reload) week 8-10 200mg test e (deload) then week 10-18 test e at 500/600 and week 18-20 200 test E then pct.

Thoughts everyone?

1. before training upon waking up, also i wouldnt skip some kind of meal before training

2. ofcourse you can, if you want to grow lean, carbs are HIGHLY important.

3. when you take hgh your body will feel flat in the window after injection, your body will want to have glucose fed into it, it will ask for it, i always drink pine apple juice cans no matter when i take the gh the moment i feel my body ask for it, ofcourse you need to know your body well especially if preping.

4. if AAS are legit, you should expect composition change, as in you will weight more or less the same on low dose gh but the muscles will be bigger, thicker, your delts in particular will show new muscle tissue growth on each side of delt which will make the insertions look very impressive and deep to the bone, and will make a bb like phil heath appear wide eventhough he is narrower than a 180pound guy, its the actual delt and torso that add pounds of quality muscle fibers, new muscle fibers onto your frame, at the same time your waist and midsection will appear tighter and with time will reduce in size while abdominals will be visible more and more, down into the mid single digit bf, without losing a pound, in reality you gain a lot of quality muscle, the amount depends on how much gh and AAS you use, without gh you will never get over 220-230lb at single digit bf @ 5'9, with it you will be there quite fast. physiqe is volumized, if you were same width of your fellow bb yesterday....with legit gh and AAS you will appear twice as wide as him 2 months later. 2 guys can have exactly same calvicle width but the guy on gh will appear twice as wide! think about it and you will see what top amatuer and pro bodybuilding is all about.

q u a l i t y thats what you get out of gh. you cant grow leaner especially not into a show without it.

[SlimmerMe]

1. before training upon waking up, also i wouldnt skip some kind of meal before training

2. ofcourse you can, if you want to grow lean, carbs are HIGHLY important.

3. when you take hgh your body will feel flat in the window after injection, your body will want to have glucose fed into it, it will ask for it, i always drink pine apple juice cans no matter when i take the gh the moment i feel my body ask for it, ofcourse you need to know your body well especially if preping.

4. if AAS are legit, you should expect composition change, as in you will weight more or less the same on low dose gh but the muscles will be bigger, thicker, your delts in particular will show new muscle tissue growth on each side of delt which will make the insertions look very impressive and deep to the bone, and will make a bb like phil heath appear wide eventhough he is narrower than a 180pound guy, its the actual delt and torso that add pounds of quality muscle fibers, new muscle fibers onto your frame, at the same time your waist and midsection will appear tighter and with time will reduce in size while abdominals will be visible more and more, down into the mid single digit bf, without losing a pound, in reality you gain a lot of quality muscle, the amount depends on how much gh and AAS you use, without gh you will never get over 220-230lb at single digit bf @ 5'9, with it you will be there quite fast. physiqe is volumized, if you were same width of your fellow bb yesterday....with legit gh and AAS you will appear twice as wide as him 2 months later. 2 guys can have exactly same calvicle width but the guy on gh will appear twice as wide! think about it and you will see what top amatuer and pro bodybuilding is all about.

q u a l i t y thats what you get out of gh. you cant grow leaner especially not into a show without it.

PLEASE EXPLAIN BOLD....this could lead to horrible glucose/insulin problems. HGH and sugar do not get along.

[mighty1]

PLEASE EXPLAIN BOLD....this could lead to horrible glucose/insulin problems. HGH and sugar do not get along.

you want lean growth? i said what i do, this is what i always been doing, moment i take gh pretty fast after i feel my blood glucose gets low, i know the feeling because thats what i been doing for the last 15 years, moment i feel it i drink pine apple juice, same for high carbs, i always take high carbs on gh, i cycle them but in my high carb days there are lots of carbs, i also use lots of shit carbs on gh such as donuts, never gain a pound of fat, always get bigger and leaner.

who said gh and sugar dont get along? glucose intake after gh always keep me full and lean, the glucose intake actually keep me feeling much better, and insulin intake is not needed. if you want to maximize potential as a bb you add slin, but you can do very good job with gh and aas.

ofcourse my AAS intake is vast, there are specific compounds that got to be in your blood for what im saying to be efficient such as EQ, TREN and TEST.

never had a problem with glucose levels. most people with glucose problems are the ones who abused insulin and didnt know what they were doing.

the most important thing with gh is to be consistant. people try injecting all over the place, new methods etc... the most important thing is that you can stay on any diet you are on add 2000 more calories a day while adding gh and lean out while growing. this is THE HOLY GRAIL SECRET of bodybuilding. that is THE ONLY reason you see guys are the lean size you see now days. the only reason arnold was 225 6% 6'1 and gunter was 285 6% 6'1 is H G H insulin put him at 300+

[SlimmerMe]

you want lean growth? i said what i do, this is what i always been doing, moment i take gh pretty fast after i feel my blood glucose gets low, i know the feeling because thats what i been doing for the last 15 years, moment i feel it i drink pine apple juice, same for high carbs, i always take high carbs on gh, i cycle them but in my high carb days there are lots of carbs, i also use lots of shit carbs on gh such as donuts, never gain a pound of fat, always get bigger and leaner.

who said gh and sugar dont get along? glucose intake after gh always keep me full and lean, the glucose intake actually keep me feeling much better, and insulin intake is not needed. if you want to maximize potential as a bb you add slin, but you can do very good job with gh and aas.

ofcourse my AAS intake is vast, there are specific compounds that got to be in your blood for what im saying to be efficient such as EQ, TREN and TEST.

never had a problem with glucose levels. most people with glucose problems are the ones who abused insulin and didnt know what they were doing.

the most important thing with gh is to be consistant. people try injecting all over the place, new methods etc... the most important thing is that you can stay on any diet you are on add 2000 more calories a day while adding gh and lean out while growing. this is THE HOLY GRAIL SECRET of bodybuilding. that is THE ONLY reason you see guys are the lean size you see now days. the only reason arnold was 225 6% 6'1 and gunter was 285 6% 6'1 is H G H insulin put him at 300+

I await someone more seasoned than I to respond to this.
It has always been my understanding that HGH taken in conjunction with sugar (not insulin) is not a wise thing to do. I look forward to this dialogue. Meanwhile if you are correct, then I stand corrected and will eagerly say.."you learn something NEW everyday!"

[SlimmerMe]

you want lean growth? i said what i do, this is what i always been doing, moment i take gh pretty fast after i feel my blood glucose gets low, i know the feeling because thats what i been doing for the last 15 years, moment i feel it i drink pine apple juice, same for high carbs, i always take high carbs on gh, i cycle them but in my high carb days there are lots of carbs, i also use lots of shit carbs on gh such as donuts, never gain a pound of fat, always get bigger and leaner.

who said gh and sugar dont get along? glucose intake after gh always keep me full and lean, the glucose intake actually keep me feeling much better, and insulin intake is not needed. if you want to maximize potential as a bb you add slin, but you can do very good job with gh and aas.

ofcourse my AAS intake is vast, there are specific compounds that got to be in your blood for what im saying to be efficient such as EQ, TREN and TEST.

never had a problem with glucose levels. most people with glucose problems are the ones who abused insulin and didnt know what they were doing.

the most important thing with gh is to be consistant. people try injecting all over the place, new methods etc... the most important thing is that you can stay on any diet you are on add 2000 more calories a day while adding gh and lean out while growing. this is THE HOLY GRAIL SECRET of bodybuilding. that is THE ONLY reason you see guys are the lean size you see now days. the only reason arnold was 225 6% 6'1 and gunter was 285 6% 6'1 is H G H insulin put him at 300+

NOTE to Mighty1:

To suggest someone drink Pineapple juice or eat donuts close to pinning HGH, could be very dangerous for many members to read here. What about the high risk of developing Type 2 Diabetes?

I am uncomfortable with this HIGH SUGAR/ HIGH CARBS along with HGH. PLEASE know that if this works for you, then fine. However there are many new members or lurkers here who may not know the caution that needs to be taken by monitoring their glucose levels with this approach.

[hankdiesel]

Mighty1 is contradicting everything that a doctor or any bodybuilder will tell you. He makes up 1%. 99% of people would disagree with nearly everything he is saying. I'm sticking with majority. On top of that, what I do works well for me. I like the part about eq, tren, and test should all be in your system for the body compisition to occur

[lew]

1. before training upon waking up, also i wouldnt skip some kind of meal before training

2. ofcourse you can, if you want to grow lean, carbs are HIGHLY important.

3. when you take hgh your body will feel flat in the window after injection, your body will want to have glucose fed into it, it will ask for it, i always drink pine apple juice cans no matter when i take the gh the moment i feel my body ask for it, ofcourse you need to know your body well especially if preping.

4. if AAS are legit, you should expect composition change, as in you will weight more or less the same on low dose gh but the muscles will be bigger, thicker, your delts in particular will show new
muscle tissue growth on each side of delt which will make the insertions look very impressive and
deep to the bone, and will make a bb like phil heath appear wide eventhough he is narrower than a 180pound guy, its the actual delt and torso that add pounds of quality muscle fibers, new muscle
fibers onto your frame, at the same time your waist and midsection will appear tighter and with time will reduce in size while abdominals will be visible more and more, down into the mid single
digit bf, without losing a pound, in reality you gain a lot of quality muscle, the amount depends on
how much gh and AAS you use, without gh you will never get over 220-230lb at single digit bf @ 5'9, with it you will be there quite fast. physiqe is volumized, if you were same width of your fellow
bb yesterday....with legit gh and AAS you will appear twice as wide as him 2 months later. 2 guys
can have exactly same calvicle width but the guy on gh will appear twice as wide! think about it
and you will see what top amatuer and pro bodybuilding is all about.

q u a l i t y thats what you get out of gh. you cant grow leaner especially not into a show without
it.

Mighty thanks for reply.

What would be your view on GH use if someone was not a competive bodybuilder, I am looking more less bf and more lean muscle however a more careful eye on my health.

Q1. With the above in mind how long would you suggest someone stays on GH for? My personal trainer who is also a user stays on for 2-3 months basically while taking test and then comes off. Howeverr a lot of people are recommending 6 months minimum cycle of hgh.

Q2. You mentioned you have used gh for a number of years, have you ever stopped and were there any side effects once you stopped? Any blood work results which suggested problems or all ok?

Q3. Any long term negative effects from your experience and seeing others who use hgh?

All very interesting thanks everyone for feedback. My Personal trainer has advised me not to check online all the time as with anything there are always conflicting stories and the odd horror story which is then spread like wild fire and everyone just repeats advise they have heard elsewhere. However I find this forum very, very good and lots of people are just trying to help so once again all feedback is much appreciated

[mighty1]

i am not talking about major doses of sugar here, im talking about natural pine apple sugar, some natural sugar like banana, can be gatorade too at times eventhough i much prefer natural sugar already in the fruit. not all bbs believe in this method but many i know do it, it really depends on a lot of factors such as your diet, wether youre preping for comp or not, wether you growing into a size or just trying to reduce bf, it also depends on wether or not you use insulin

in my case the moment i take gh, within 30 min i feel lower blood sugar levels, i then need something quick in me so i dont feel weak and flatten, i like lifting very heavy and train very intense so i cant allow this to happen so i use pine apple juice and or bananas, i tend to stay full and when gh is in your blood you can practically eat a not so clean diet and get down to 6% as long as the ratios and calories are there, its the sub 6% where attention to detail is highly important even on gh.

[mighty1]

q1: it really is dose dependent and goal dependent, all i can tell you is that if your gh is legit...you should start seeing changes VERY fast, if youre solid bodybuilder or even train regularly and not a bodybuilder with exprience of few years of AAS especially if you are on them on a regular basis...you should see the changes coming fast...you just look like a volumized rat, you know those rats you always see in lab test results, one is regular reference subject, and the other is the test subject and is 1.5 times the lean size...thats pretty much how a bb on gh looks like after few months of gh and aas usage combo. 6 months is more of a number, the changes really come much sooner if on aas. if you prep your body before aas cycle with gh for 2 months on minimal doses, you will grow much better and will look much more impressive during your cycle. it can also be done when taken together gh and aas but it really depends on how well and how fast you respond to compounds, some bodies are hyper sensetive, some take their sweet time, but it should take much less than 6 months.

q2: never a problem, i used to do blitz cycles too, never a problem, gh is the most amazing hormone to introduce to sports. all records since 1990 i contribute to gh, all new muscle developments of freaks like ron coleman and dorian i contribute to gh. there is an age that you can not do bodybuilding anymore....this age used to be 30-35...you just didnt have the stamina, will, muscle, and power you used to have back in your 20s, look when arnold quit bb, look when the guys from the 60s intially quit,
what gh gave bodybuilders is a LONGER HALF LIFE in bb lol...only due to gh you see guys play football into their 40s almost, you see bodybuilders winning o at 40 almost, gh changed bodybuilding and it is ONLY gh that did it, not diet and not anyother training form.

q3: the negative effect, the only one i can think of is when you are off gh you can never be the size and leaness you were when on it, no matter how hard you try, no matter how much you increase the aas dosage, you always look at that pic of you on gh and say to yourself...those 5 extra lean pounds really made a diff lol and they did because they were ALL LEAN MUSCLE IN THE RIGHT PLACES. those 5pounds is for ordinary joe on 2 units lol for the pro it is 30pounds due to the very high doses of gh used.

[Sicko]

q1: it really is dose dependent and goal dependent, all i can tell you is that if your gh is legit...you should start seeing changes VERY fast, if youre solid bodybuilder or even train regularly and not a bodybuilder with exprience of few years of AAS especially if you are on them on a regular basis...you should see the changes coming fast...you just look like a volumized rat, you know those rats you always see in lab test results, one is regular reference subject, and the other is the test subject and is 1.5 times the lean size...thats pretty much how a bb on gh looks like after few months of gh and aas usage combo. 6 months is more of a number, the changes really come much sooner if on aas. if you prep your body before aas cycle with gh for 2 months on minimal doses, you will grow much better and will look much more impressive during your cycle. it can also be done when taken together gh and aas but it really depends on how well and how fast you respond to compounds, some bodies are hyper sensetive, some take their sweet time, but it should take much less than 6 months.

q2: never a problem, i used to do blitz cycles too, never a problem, gh is the most amazing hormone to introduce to sports. all records since 1990 i contribute to gh, all new muscle developments of freaks like ron coleman and dorian i contribute to gh. there is an age that you can not do bodybuilding anymore....this age used to be 30-35...you just didnt have the stamina, will, muscle, and power you used to have back in your 20s, look when arnold quit bb, look when the guys from the 60s intially quit,
what gh gave bodybuilders is a LONGER HALF LIFE in bb lol...only due to gh you see guys play football into their 40s almost, you see bodybuilders winning o at 40 almost, gh changed bodybuilding and it is ONLY gh that did it, not diet and not anyother training form.

q3: the negative effect, the only one i can think of is when you are off gh you can never be the size and leaness you were when on it, no matter how hard you try, no matter how much you increase the aas dosage, you always look at that pic of you on gh and say to yourself...those 5 extra lean pounds really made a diff lol and they did because they were ALL LEAN MUSCLE IN THE RIGHT PLACES. those 5pounds is for ordinary joe on 2 units lol for the pro it is 30pounds due to the very high doses of gh used.

Man you really got me going with your posts,got me over here throwin GH in my next cycle!!(in my mind)
You should shoot us some pics so we can see first hand what GH does for you. I am not questioning your words just want to stick a body with the awsome picture you paint in your posts.(sounds gay, but not)...