Triceps on shoulder day?

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I don't like this idea, it is something that has caught via the parrot chain unfortunately.

If you are still gaining you don't change it...correct? Using progressive overload, you would be shooting yourself in the foot by changing.
Also if you change often you don't give your body time to adapt to new movements.

Keep with the routine for as long as it was working! You are much beter off sticking with something that is working, and then taking a week off at around 10-12 weeks.

Also from what I have seen and read, the majority of top BBs only use personal trainers for prep.

I appreciate differing opinions, I'm having a hard time not taking it personal when you refer to my advice as something from the "parrot chain", certainly takes away from my years of personal experience. I would find it hard to believe that every bodypart is continuing to progress at the same degree as all other bodyparts without tweaking a routine periodically, thus my statement that the change may be only 1 degree.

X2 You will develop more by sticking to a routine and working to increase the amount of weight you can lift. Progressive overload is by far the most important stimulator of muscle growth. The only people who have any business performing "instinctive" type training programs are pros who have a complete understanding of their body and have learned exactly what works for them and what doesn't. Most people just end up wasting their time with this type of training.

I am absolutely not a fan of "instinctive" training. I also appreciate your opinion about sticking with a routine and progressive overload, but I disagree with your matter of fact statement that you will "develop more" by doing so, very subjective. I will absolutely admit that this may be true for some, but not most. As a trainer we learn that most people become bored with the same routine and need change to remain motivated, change for change sake is not what I'm supporting here, but not everyone has the fortitude to go to the gym, week in and week out, month in and month out, year in and year out and do the same routine. I know trainers who teach this and their clients get results, I'm just from a different school of thought. With bodybuilding I know this, there is definitely more than one way to arrive at the same place.

Jay Cutler even says he usually sticks to the same workout. If you workout with intensity and have a good diet you will grow.

Again, most of us aren't in that position, if I looked like him and said I only do plyometrics that wouldn't make it something most people could get away with. I'm a big fan of Intensity and absolutely agree with your statement about that, but if you performed the best exercises for your body under the best stress load with that intensity and a good diet you would grow bigger quicker.

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I appreciate differing opinions, I'm having a hard time not taking it personal when you refer to my advice as something from the "parrot chain", certainly takes away from my years of personal experience. I would find it hard to believe that every bodypart is continuing to progress at the same degree as all other bodyparts without tweaking a routine periodically, thus my statement that the change may be only 1 degree.



I am absolutely not a fan of "instinctive" training. I also appreciate your opinion about sticking with a routine and progressive overload, but I disagree with your matter of fact statement that you will "develop more" by doing so, very subjective. I will absolutely admit that this may be true for some, but not most. As a trainer we learn that most people become bored with the same routine and need change to remain motivated, change for change sake is not what I'm supporting here, but not everyone has the fortitude to go to the gym, week in and week out, month in and month out, year in and year out and do the same routine. I know trainers who teach this and their clients get results, I'm just from a different school of thought. With bodybuilding I know this, there is definitely more than one way to arrive at the same place.



Again, most of us aren't in that position, if I looked like him and said I only do plyometrics that wouldn't make it something most people could get away with. I'm a big fan of Intensity and absolutely agree with your statement about that, but if you performed the best exercises for your body under the best stress load with that intensity and a good diet you would grow bigger quicker.

No offence man, you know your shit, I can see that.

A question for you.....do you train BBs or avg trainees?

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No offence man, you know your shit, I can see that.

A question for you.....do you train BBs or avg trainees?

I've trained them all. No pro's or anything, I'm in Kansas you know, but some guys who have competed at small town stuff. Some special forces guys when I was in Iraq, that was a great pleasure and an honor. A majority of people I train are not people who want to look like a BB, mostly just look better and be more healthy. I co-owned a fight club for awhile and trained mma guys, owned a gym, all types of people there. I obviously have personal preferences, but try to make the clients goal the most important, take my goals out of the equation altogether. My job is to help them acheive their goals in the quickest and safest way possible. All things being equal, with the client and his dedication level, I believe in what I know and my ability to train anyone at any level and compete against the best. I've competed in powerlifting tournaments and done well. Judged powerlifting meets. Trained powerlifters and done well, and have been asked to coach a powerlifting team this year at our high-school.

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Hey guys so i decided to give arms their own day. Heres what i got so far.

Dips 2xfailure
Close grip bench 2x10
Skullcrushers 2x10
Push downs 2x10

Barbell Curls 3x8
Dumbbell Curls 3x10
Preacher Curls 2x10

This is similair to what i had before when i did arms on their own day except now im concentrating on triceps. What do you guys think? Is Close grip Bench really needed or should i drop it and add more skull crushers?