WTF is up with N. Korea?

[BgMc31]

IMO, Both N. Korea and Iran and acting out because the US is still involved in two wars (even though we are technically no longer involved in military operations in Iraq). They know that we cannot fight wars on additional fronts. If we weren't involved in Afghanistan and Iraq, neither country would be acting out at the extent they are doing now.

[zabster151]

IMO, Both N. Korea and Iran and acting out because the US is still involved in two wars (even though we are technically no longer involved in military operations in Iraq)???????? what are you talking about . They know that we cannot fight wars on additional fronts.we are tapped out because of the operations in iraq If we weren't involved in Afghanistan and Iraq,you just said we we are no longer involved in military operation ? neither country would be acting out at the extent they are doing now.

all because they say we are out of iraq means nothing, you think we seriously just up and left after all that.

[MuscleScience]

all because they say we are out of iraq means nothing, you think we seriously just up and left after all that.

I think you completely missed his point.

Anyway,

For god sakes we are still in, Japan, Guam, Germany, Italy, South Korea Ect ect. We will never leave any of those countries that we have occupied. For all intents and purposes we have a global empire. Why must we still have occupation forces in countries such as Germany and Japan. Lets be real, they are occupation forces. We don't have British or German Or Australia bases in the US. The War on Terror is in its 10th year in Afghanistan. It took us a total of 4 years to destroy two of the greatest military's the world had seen to date. Not to mention a population of people (Japanese) that were so determined to fight, that they would rather jump off a cliff than be captured or attack a machine gun nest with nothing but a sword to kill the enemy at all cost.

[terraj]

I think you completely missed his point.

Anyway,

For god sakes we are still in, Japan, Guam, Germany, Italy, South Korea Ect ect. We will never leave any of those countries that we have occupied. For all intents and purposes we have a global empire. Why must we still have occupation forces in countries such as Germany and Japan. Lets be real, they are occupation forces. We don't have British or German Or Australia bases in the US. The War on Terror is in its 10th year in Afghanistan. It took us a total of 4 years to destroy two of the greatest military's the world had seen to date. Not to mention a population of people (Japanese) that were so determined to fight, that they would rather jump off a cliff than be captured or attack a machine gun nest with nothing but a sword to kill the enemy at all cost.

Yeah...kind of the way it played out. The people of Okinawa were the ones famous for jumping to their death, they were fed info from the Japanese soldiers about how the US soldiers would rape and kill them....so they took that appeared to be the best way out. "There are many Okinawans who have testified that the Japanese Army directed them to commit suicide. There are also people who have testified that they were handed grenades by Japanese soldiers" to blow themselves up".
"Civilians and historians report that soldiers on both sides had raped Okinawan civilians during the battle. Rape by Japanese troops "became common" in June, after it became clear that the Japanese Army had been defeated.[6][33] One Okinawan historian has estimated there were more than 10,000 rapes of Okinawan women by American troops during the three month campaign"
The Okinawans were stuck between the Japanese and US forces and truely fvcked by both sides. They are referred to as Okinawans and still many consider themseves Okinawans over Japanese, up until 1870s they were an independent nation called the Ryūkyū Kingdom, then became part of the US after the war before been returned to Japan in the 1970s.
A real pretty place and great people with a shitty history.

[MuscleScience]

Yeah...kind of the way it played out. The people of Okinawa were the ones famous for jumping to their death, they were fed info from the Japanese soldiers about how the US soldiers would rape and kill them....so they took that appeared to be the best way out. "There are many Okinawans who have testified that the Japanese Army directed them to commit suicide. There are also people who have testified that they were handed grenades by Japanese soldiers" to blow themselves up".
"Civilians and historians report that soldiers on both sides had raped Okinawan civilians during the battle. Rape by Japanese troops "became common" in June, after it became clear that the Japanese Army had been defeated.[6][33] One Okinawan historian has estimated there were more than 10,000 rapes of Okinawan women by American troops during the three month campaign"
The Okinawans were stuck between the Japanese and US forces and truely fvcked by both sides. They are referred to as Okinawans and still many consider themseves Okinawans over Japanese, up until 1870s they were an independent nation called the Ryūkyū Kingdom, then became part of the US after the war before been returned to Japan in the 1970s.
A real pretty place and great people with a shitty history.

I am a huge history buff, I particularly like reading historical accounts from the "other side" because its really true what they say about history is written by the victors. War is a terrible thing, and when as a person you are taught to look at someone else as an object or thing. Its seems to become easier to commit terrible acts because its just a part of the war. Okinawa is one place on my places to visit before I die.

[terraj]

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[terraj]

I think you completely missed his point.

Anyway,

For god sakes we are still in, Japan, Guam, Germany, Italy, South Korea Ect ect. We will never leave any of those countries that we have occupied. For all intents and purposes we have a global empire. Why must we still have occupation forces in countries such as Germany and Japan. Lets be real, they are occupation forces. We don't have British or German Or Australia bases in the US. The War on Terror is in its 10th year in Afghanistan. It took us a total of 4 years to destroy two of the greatest military's the world had seen to date. Not to mention a population of people (Japanese) that were so determined to fight, that they would rather jump off a cliff than be captured or attack a machine gun nest with nothing but a sword to kill the enemy at all cost.

Yeah...kind of the way it played out. The people of Okinawa were the ones famous for jumping to their death, they were fed info from the Japanese soldiers about how the US soldiers would rape and kill them....so they took that appeared to be the best way out. "There are many Okinawans who have testified that the Japanese Army directed them to commit suicide. There are also people who have testified that they were handed grenades by Japanese soldiers" to blow themselves up".
"Civilians and historians report that soldiers on both sides had raped Okinawan civilians during the battle. Rape by Japanese troops "became common" in June, after it became clear that the Japanese Army had been defeated.[6][33] One Okinawan historian has estimated there were more than 10,000 rapes of Okinawan women by American troops during the three month campaign"
The Okinawans were stuck between the Japanese and US forces and truely fvcked by both sides. They are referred to as Okinawans and still many consider themseves Okinawans over Japanese because up until 1870s they were an independent nation called the Ryūkyū Kingdom, then becames part of the US after the war before been returned to Japan in the 1970s.
A real pretty place and great people.

[zabster151]

I think you completely missed his point.

Anyway,

For god sakes we are still in, Japan, Guam, Germany, Italy, South Korea Ect ect. We will never leave any of those countries that we have occupied. For all intents and purposes we have a global empire. Why must we still have occupation forces in countries such as Germany and Japan. Lets be real, they are occupation forces. We don't have British or German Or Australia bases in the US. The War on Terror is in its 10th year in Afghanistan. It took us a total of 4 years to destroy two of the greatest military's the world had seen to date. Not to mention a population of people (Japanese) that were so determined to fight, that they would rather jump off a cliff than be captured or attack a machine gun nest with nothing but a sword to kill the enemy at all cost.

i missed nothing i completly understand what he said. it still makes no sense,,


this make absolutely no sense. of course these countries now were we are stationed. thats not the big deal the fact that we are staioned in so many countries policing the globe.(wich is not are job) we impose are will on other countries.

IMO, Both N. Korea and Iran and acting out because the US is still involved in two wars (even though we are technically no longer involved in military operations in Iraq)???????? what are you talking about. They know that we cannot fight wars on additional fronts.we are tapped out because of the operations in iraq If we weren't involved in Afghanistan and Iraq,you just said we we are no longer involved in military operation ? neither country would be acting out at the extent they are doing now.


the best part about all of this is that we are running very low on oil actually are peak reserve was in 2007. so that begin said we will have to pull out of this dumbass war because we cant afford it anymore..or policing other countries. i hate to say it but the USA is going to fall flat on its face in the next year or 2 china and the saudis are the new rulers America.is going to be left behind like fat useless society we are. we are a greedy dumb nation.

[BgMc31]

There you go again, Zabster, simply because you don't understand my point, it doesn't make sense?

You missed my point, and judging from your other posts on other threads, you are so dogmatic in your point of view you'll never understand anyone else's point. If Musclescience understood my point, how does it not make sense? Simply because you don't agree with it?

As usual it makes no sense to debate with you. Because an effective debate is based on the ability of BOTH sides to see each other's points. But you are incapable of that.

[zabster151]

There you go again, Zabster, simply because you don't understand my point, it doesn't make sense?

You missed my point, and judging from your other posts on other threads, you are so dogmatic in your point of view you'll never understand anyone else's point. If Musclescience understood my point, how does it not make sense? Simply because you don't agree with it?

As usual it makes no sense to debate with you. Because an effective debate is based on the ability of BOTH sides to see each other's points. But you are incapable of that.

all because he thinks it makes sense does not mean it does.


IMO, Both N. Korea and Iran and acting out because the US is still involved in two wars (even though we are technically no longer involved in military operations in Iraq). [/B] we are you just do not know we are still there because its not talked about [/B]. They know that we cannot fight wars on additional fronts. duh every country knows we are tapped out from the Iraq war If we weren't involved in Afghanistan and Iraq, neither country would be acting out at the extent they are doing now.not necessarily north Korea and Saudi Arabia have had nuklier intention for 20-30 years now its just easier since its pretty clear the US is tapped out


im very open for debat you just say thing that are either wrong or i do not agree with what your saying.

[Flagg]

Zabster is right about one thing, with King Dongs health being called into question, and the fact the guy is utterly delusional to go along with his side order of insanity, it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest of him lobbing a nuke at S Korea or Japan, simply because he believes it would make him immortal in death in the history books.

EDIT: Nevermind the US hitting its personal peak oil reserves, the whole planet will heat peak oil by 2050. And by then we'll have a population of 9-12 billion. I certainly hope we have some good technology by then because resources are going to be scarce. Fresh water by then will become MUCH more valuable than oil.