You'll want to read this!

[welcometopiyush]

Hi Ronnie

i wat to cut also at the same time. do i need to take something for cutting also at the same time.

actually i am planing to run clen and tren with test.

[bernimx]

Hey M. Rowland,

I first read that thread in 2008 but just fell back on it again and found it EXTREMELY informative and logic, thank you very much for this.

I'm a bit confused, please tell me if I got this right.

At first you were suggesting to reload for 8-12 week, then deload for two weeks, but it seems that now you narrowed it down really to an 8 week reload followed by a 2 week deload, and a two week prime after that if you really were overtrained. Is this about right?

Also, you probably mentionned it, but could I alternate between say a blast where I eat a little bit over maintenance, say 300 a day on average to really minimise fat gain and have more of a recomp effect, followed by a second blast aiming at lowering bf%, where i'd follow a carb-cycling approach just like the one you mentionned. How do you play around with the dosage for such planning? Would you still increase the dosage? Since i'm giving vague details, i'm just looking for a vague answer; i'm not paying you anyway eh.

Thank you.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey m. Rowland,

i first read that thread in 2008 but just fell back on it again and found it extremely informative and logic, thank you very much for this.

I'm a bit confused, please tell me if i got this right.

At first you were suggesting to reload for 8-12 week, then deload for two weeks, but it seems that now you narrowed it down really to an 8 week reload followed by a 2 week deload, and a two week prime after that if you really were overtrained. Is this about right? no prime is needed after a 2 week deload. Only after a show would you normally need to take it easy for more than 2 weeks. also, you probably mentionned it, but could i alternate between say a blast where i eat a little bit over maintenance, say 300 a day on average to really minimise fat gain and have more of a recomp effect, followed by a second blast aiming at lowering bf%, where i'd follow a carb-cycling approach just like the one you mentionned. absolutely! how do you play around with the dosage for such planning? Would you still increase the dosage? Since i'm giving vague details, i'm just looking for a vague answer; i'm not paying you anyway eh.you still increase dosages during second reload. On a long drawn out cutting phase you do not deload for 2 weeks but some of my clients need a 1 week deload with training only at times if joint pain or fatigue gets out of hand.thank you.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=welcometopiyush;5545603]actually i am planing to run clen and tren with test. that will work very good![/QUOTE]above

[welcometopiyush]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;5546772]

actually i am planing to run clen and tren with test. that will work very good![/QUOTE]above

Hi Ronnie

I have heard that u can not run clen and tren togather as there will be high blood pressure associated with these two steroids
and also heard that we can not do cardio with tren

Please suggest what are safe dosaages of clen,tren and test.

[welcometopiyush]

[QUOTE=welcometopiyush;5546776]

Hi Ronnie

I have heard that u can not run clen and tren togather as there will be high blood pressure associated with these two steroids
and also heard that we can not do cardio with tren

Please suggest what are safe dosaages of clen,tren and test.

and also i will be using test enanthate with trenbol acetate and clen alongwith some ECA. will this be fine for cutting

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=welcometopiyush;5546***]

and also i will be using test enanthate with trenbol acetate and clen alongwith some ECA. will this be fine for cutting drop ECA!

ABOVE

[welcometopiyush]

and do suggest a good PCT Cycle for above stack

[welcometopiyush]

and do suggest a good PCT Cycle for above stack

Hi Ronnie
I am planing to follow below cycle for lean gaining. please advise.


1-3 week - Test E 500 Mg/week,stanazol oral - 20 mg/day ,tren - 150mg /week, clen - 40mcg/day ,ECA
4-5 week - Test E 750 Mg/week,stanazol oral - 30 mg/day ,tren - 300mg /week, clen - off , ECA
6-8 week - Test E 500 Mg/week,stanazol oral - 20 mg/day ,tren - 150mg /week, clen - 40mcg/day ,ECA

PCT: Weeks 9-12
hCG at 2500 iu eod for 2 weeks
clomid at 50 mgs once per day for 4 weeks
nolva 20 mgs per day for 4 weeks

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie
i am planing to follow below cycle for lean gaining. Please advise.


1-3 week - test e 500 mg/week,stanazol oral - 20 mg/day ,tren - 150mg /week, clen - 40mcg/day ,eca
4-5 week - test e 750 mg/week,stanazol oral - 30 mg/day ,tren - 300mg /week, clen - off , eca
6-8 week - test e 500 mg/week,stanazol oral - 20 mg/day ,tren - 150mg /week, clen - 40mcg/day ,eca

pct: Weeks 9-12
hcg at 2500 iu eod for 2 weeks
clomid at 50 mgs once per day for 4 weeks
nolva 20 mgs per day for 4 weeks drop eca stack as clen and ephedrine should not be mixed and changing does not upregulate beta-2 receptors as they both hit the same receptors! So just go off clen weeks 4-5. Also the dosages of anabolics during weeks 4-5 is what your cycle should be weeks 1-8.

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[welcometopiyush]

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Thanks for the guidence ronnie.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=welcometopiyush;5546776]

Hi Ronnie

I have heard that u can not run clen and tren togather as there will be high blood pressure associated with these two steroids
and also heard that we can not do cardio with tren Not true, in fact my blood pressure always decreased due to losing body fat and cardio. When you add clen with tren it opens up your bronchial tubes allowing you to breath pretty much normal once again.
Please suggest what are safe dosaages of clen,tren and test. For what you are trying to achieve I would go with around 750 mgs of test, 400 mgs of tren and no more than 80 mcgs of clen.

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[bernimx]

Ronnie,

I got a question regarding long-estered drugs and your reload/deload protocol.

Let's assume one runs the following plan (speculation):

RELOAD
1-8 Test-e @ 500mg/week
1-8 Tren-e @ 300mg/week

DELOAD
9-10 Test-e @ 250mg/week
9-10 Tren-e @ 150mg/week

RELOAD
11-18 Test-e @ 500mg/week
11-18 Tren-e @ 300mg/week

DELOAD
...

Because of the long ester, won't the user attain his lowest dosage during week 11-12 or so? Now if the user was using test-prop and tren-ace, I could see that plan make total sense.. But as it is laid out, which is the way you seem to be recommending, won't the drugs level slowly decline by week 9-10, to attain their lowest point at week 11-12, to then build up again from there? Please enlighten me.

[GoloLolo]

Hi Ronnie Rowland

I have a question for you.

Can you start a 6 week cycle that only consists of Dianabol 5mg and Nolvadex 20mg both Oral tablets?

And pyramid up slowly up to 30mg of Dianabol and then pyramid down slowly.

Also take Nolvadex every day from beggining of cycle.

Whats your view?

[Ronnie Rowland]

hi ronnie rowland

i have a question for you.

Can you start a 6 week cycle that only consists of dianabol 5mg and nolvadex 20mg both oral tablets?

And pyramid up slowly up to 30mg of dianabol and then pyramid down slowly.

Also take nolvadex every day from beggining of cycle.

Whats your view? you can do anything you want but i do not like this cycle. It's too short to hold on to any noticeable gains!. You are gonna blow up then deflate!

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[GoloLolo]

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Hey Ronnie

What if i cycle for 8 weeks and pyramid up slowly upto 50mg of Dianabol and pyramid down slowly? And also take Nolvadex at 20mg every day.

Will i see any gains then? Or will i still blow up and then deflate?

Could you recommend a begginers cycle for me that consists of only Oral tablets as i hate injections.

Thanks.

[GoloLolo]

Hmmm

[Ronnie Rowland]

ronnie,

i got a question regarding long-estered drugs and your reload/deload protocol.

Let's assume one runs the following plan (speculation):

reload
1-8 test-e @ 500mg/week
1-8 tren-e @ 300mg/week

deload
9-10 test-e @ 250mg/week
9-10 tren-e @ 150mg/week

reload
11-18 test-e @ 500mg/week
11-18 tren-e @ 300mg/week

deload
...

Because of the long ester, won't the user attain his lowest dosage during week 11-12 or so?no because the long acting esters like enanthate actually kick in faster than short acting esters like prop but they do not peak as high. now if the user was using test-prop and tren-ace, i could see that plan make total sense.. But as it is laid out, which is the way you seem to be recommending, won't the drugs level slowly decline by week 9-10, to attain their lowest point at week 11-12, to then build up again from there? Please enlighten me.

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[bernimx]

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Thanks a lot Ronnie.

Another question, although you might have answered it already...

Is there a point where it's wiser to come off after several reload/deload to clear the receptors so that you surpass where you were once you're back on, especially when the dosage gets very high for example?

[UKDeviant]

Hi Ronnie, love this thread and the hardwork you put into it.
I have seen some serious results since following your protocol rather than the yo yo'ing from 12 weeks and time off cycles but I need some advise on my next reload.
Current reload is 1g Test E 200mg Deca a week and not sure what to do for my next reload. I have not suffered any real sides just the odd spot on my shoulders but not sure moving up to 1.25g a week is the right thing to do so i was thinking of adding in Tren E but never used this compound before. Would you advise i keep the Test at 1g a week and add in some tren (if so what would be a good starting dose something around 400mg a week?) or should i drop the Test a little if adding in Tren e for the first time or would you recommend a completely different stack to keep the gains coming?

Regards.