Trt side effects?

[sirupate]

I was feeling OK at 10g for awhile but lately I feel like I am slipping backwards.
Does your estro still go up on injections or was that just on the Ardrogel?

I felt great on 10gms. of androgel for several months, then the effect seemed less noticable, like I was slipping backwards. It was the same when I was put on 5gms. gel initially. I am unsure if this initial feeling of almost..euphoria, is a phenomonon of the gel, or all test. therapy. My test. levels also seemed pretty variable when on the gel...that is, we never achieved a consistent level over the months I was using it. Again, I don't know if this is a function of my body or a characteristic of the gel. I think some of the guys here had similar experiences with the gel though.

The estradiol levels can also be affected by other things such as body fat, liver function and alcohol, but I'd guess exogenous testosterone is the biggest driver.

Jeff

[Mr Bill]

I felt great on 10gms. of androgel for several months, then the effect seemed less noticable, like I was slipping backwards. It was the same when I was put on 5gms. gel initially. I am unsure if this initial feeling of almost..euphoria, is a phenomonon of the gel, or all test. therapy. My test. levels also seemed pretty variable when on the gel...that is, we never achieved a consistent level over the months I was using it. Again, I don't know if this is a function of my body or a characteristic of the gel. I think some of the guys here had similar experiences with the gel though.

The estradiol levels can also be affected by other things such as body fat, liver function and alcohol, but I'd guess exogenous testosterone is the biggest driver.

Jeff

I never got to the euphoria feeling part. My highest T count has been 680 total. Have you switched over to injections and if so how has it changed the way you feel coming from the Androgel?

[sirupate]

I never got to the euphoria feeling part. My highest T count has been 680 total. Have you switched over to injections and if so how has it changed the way you feel coming from the Androgel?

I switched over to injecting beginning last week. The dose the doctor wrote is 200mg. test. cyp. every 2 weeks. I had hoped to feel something "extra" a few days after the initial dose, but didn't really notice much. My injection dosage is higher than my highest gel dosage in terms of mg. of testosterone getting into my body. I'll just have to see how this goes. I visit the doctor in about 5 weeks and will probably ask to inject weekly to level out the swings. Depending on my BW, he may adjust the total dosage too.

The euphoria I mentioned I mainly associate with increased libido, though my gym workouts were better and my mood was somewhat elevated too. Just after the initial dose, and on the elevated dose of gel, I would have chased a tailpipe down the street to try and get my d_ck in it....well...an exageration, but not by much. That feeling faded after several months at each dose.

Jeff

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I switched over to injecting beginning last week. The dose the doctor wrote is 200mg. test. cyp. every 2 weeks. I had hoped to feel something "extra" a few days after the initial dose, but didn't really notice much. My injection dosage is higher than my highest gel dosage in terms of mg. of testosterone getting into my body. I'll just have to see how this goes. I visit the doctor in about 5 weeks and will probably ask to inject weekly to level out the swings. Depending on my BW, he may adjust the total dosage too.

The euphoria I mentioned I mainly associate with increased libido, though my gym workouts were better and my mood was somewhat elevated too. Just after the initial dose, and on the elevated dose of gel, I would have chased a tailpipe down the street to try and get my d_ck in it....well...an exageration, but not by much. That feeling faded after several months at each dose.

Jeff

What were your E2 levels on your last BW and prior to the injection protocol? I only ask as you state a decline in libido over time - a classic symptom of increased E2 if not managed correctly. In my opinion you'd be best served to inject 100 mg ever week instead of 200 mg every two weeks...peaks and valleys... Did your MD recommend any hCG or an AI with this protocol? If not, watch levels closely. Also, keep an eye on your testes as atrophy is common side and if you want kids, want to re-start or don't want your junk to look like a 5 year old you will want to consider hCG.

[sirupate]

What were your E2 levels on your last BW and prior to the injection protocol? I only ask as you state a decline in libido over time - a classic symptom of increased E2 if not managed correctly. In my opinion you'd be best served to inject 100 mg ever week instead of 200 mg every two weeks...peaks and valleys... Did your MD recommend any hCG or an AI with this protocol? If not, watch levels closely. Also, keep an eye on your testes as atrophy is common side and if you want kids, want to re-start or don't want your junk to look like a 5 year old you will want to consider hCG.

Just saw that you were asking me some questions...my doctor has never tested for E2. I need to ask him why. My doctor put me on the E2W dosing to begin with and I intend to ask about more frequent injections when I visit for follow-up in a few weeks. Just felt the need to play along with his wishes first time around when injecting. I do, however, feel the swing in levels about day 8 or 9 and it doesn't feel good.

We've never discussed hCG or an AI...he hasn't seemed curious about estradiol levels. As to children...I've had my two and no longer care, unless someday I end up with a rich 25 year old who wants kids...lol. But, hCG may also be a good topic at the next visit too.

Jeff

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Just saw that you were asking me some questions...my doctor has never tested for E2. I need to ask him why. My doctor put me on the E2W dosing to begin with and I intend to ask about more frequent injections when I visit for follow-up in a few weeks. Just felt the need to play along with his wishes first time around when injecting. I do, however, feel the swing in levels about day 8 or 9 and it doesn't feel good.

We've never discussed hCG or an AI...he hasn't seemed curious about estradiol levels. As to children...I've had my two and no longer care, unless someday I end up with a rich 25 year old who wants kids...lol. But, hCG may also be a good topic at the next visit too.

Jeff

Remember, once you start with T you go into HPTA shut down. This means the receptors on your leydig cells are not receiving LH from your pituitary gland. As a result, you testes will continue to shrink which leads to very small testes, a very tight sack, pain and no production of Pregnenolone the precursor to many of your other hormones.

With a E2W protocol you are feeling the roller coaster rider which is not right in my opinion. The reason you're on TRT is to feel good...all the time! Plead to self inject and once a week.

If you don't monitor E2 and levels increase it will cancel out any T that you are injecting and you'll be right back where you started from.

Work with your doc, educate him if needed, and get on a protocol that works for you my friend.

Good luck

[sirupate]

Remember, once you start with T you go into HPTA shut down. This means the receptors on your leydig cells are not receiving LH from your pituitary gland. As a result, you testes will continue to shrink which leads to very small testes, a very tight sack, pain and no production of Pregnenolone the precursor to many of your other hormones.

With a E2W protocol you are feeling the roller coaster rider which is not right in my opinion. The reason you're on TRT is to feel good...all the time! Plead to self inject and once a week.

If you don't monitor E2 and levels increase it will cancel out any T that you are injecting and you'll be right back where you started from.

Work with your doc, educate him if needed, and get on a protocol that works for you my friend.

Good luck

Not a big deal, but I am self-injecting now. Only had two injections on his dosing protocol since the changeover from gel. He wants BW one week after my injection, to get the mid-range level, so am trying to at least follow his instructions for the first follow-up visit. Intend to ask about E10D or EW dosing at that time...in about 3 weeks. The mood change seemed pretty noticable to me at day 8 after injecting. I doubt the doctor will object to more frequent injections if that helps me to feel better. Not sure how he'll feel about hCG as he has been pretty conservative so far. As to E2, I imagine he believes he can infer that estradiol isn't a problem if free level is good relative to total level...but I might just be trying to read his mind on that.

Jeff