MACHINE5150's cutting log 245lb -> 225lbs in 60 days (hopefully)

[Gucks]

wow dude, i leave 4 a few weeks and come back 2 see uve smashed ur target weight. massive congratz! u have any idea wht ur bf is now? if u can see ur sarratus u must be nearing 15% right?

u in raw gym now btw? dec is joining there and i think ill be there in september if not in the summer.

[MACHINE5150]

Alright sorry about the lack of updates... but logging every meal and every workout was a big pain in the ass and i had a million different things i needed to do..

So, anyways, i have good news and bad news.. good news is i reached my target weight of 225lbs.. i did this about a week ago.. The bad news is i am only down to 17% BF.. granted this is lower than i was before, i have lost A LOT of strength.. my bench has dropped 50lbs and my squat has dropped by about 80-100lbs.. To be completely honest with you i was only doing fasted cardio 3x a week.. however i DID stick to my diet.. ensuring my 200g of protein and that i never went over 2800 calories.. only went out once a week and when i did i would only have a few whiskey diet cokes.. so no beer and no milk.. i think a lot of the strength lost came from when i did not go to the gym for two weeks as i was SWAMPED with work and just couldn't be bothered..

I will be posting after pics here in the next day or two.. i just need to find the charger to my camera and then they will be up.. they will not be as dramatic as i was hoping them to be.. i basically look the same just a bit smaller.. I suppose i should be happy that i lost 11 lbs of fat.. but i just was hoping i didn't have to lose 9lbs of muscle along with it.. I admit i was a bit naive about this as i never cut before, and FG and a few others all told me that losing fat, and only fat was nearly impossible.. i was just hoping the clen would keep me in an anabolic state.. the clen DEFINITELY works.. but i wouldn't say it works any better than any over the counter thermagenic.

STARTING:
5'11"
245lbs
20% BF??? +/-1%
196lbs LBM
49lbs Fat

ENDING:
5'11"
225lbs
17% BF
187lbs LBM
38lbs Fat

One thing worth noting is that my stats back on the 28th of July last year were as follows:
243lbs
22% BF
189lbs LBM
54lbs Fat

So all i have done in the past 9 months was lose 16lbs of fat.. which is pretty weak, especially considering that i ran a cycle between then... I suppose it is progress, but i am not satisfied unless my LBM is sitting over 200lbs.. I figure that it should be up there in no time once i get back into heavier lifting.. my goal is to keep my BF at 17% or lower if possible.. i will continue to eat clean, and continue to do cardio.. but i am going to go back to maintaining my TDEE


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[tbody66]

Can't wait to see pics, good job machine.

[Gucks]

good job, u sound disappointed in ur post and you shouldnt be. no1 ever said it would be easy :P u did a good job man, could have been better ye but u get out what u put in! u gonna run ur cycle now? that will help u drop a few more ibs of fat. wuld follow the progress of that on here aswell if ur up 4 logging everything everyday again :P good luck geting those 9ibs of muscle back!

[Christopher_UK]

Machine dont worry about the weight going down, thats happened to me before after been sick, being on holiday for two weeks, and changing diet...it happens to all of us at one time or another. I remember my deadlift went down from 200kg to 160kg, sweet jesus I was mad!!! I had the wrath of the gods and was going to burn down villages and demand human sacrifices lol, but took it out on the gym instead and got back to 200 in no time.

Also if your going to do a bulking diet again you'll regain your strength in no time and become a mammoth once again!!!

[Bigd89]

Where those pics, bro? Don't be shy

[MACHINE5150]

IM GONNA POST THESE PICS SIDE BY SIDE BEFORE AND AFTER NOW...

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[MACHINE5150]

As i said the change in minor at best.. some friends of mine have commented that i lost some weight in my face.. so perhaps i am just being overly critical.. it is not the results i wanted but it is the results i deserve as i was not 100% on this.. i was maybe 60% committed at best.. as stated before i did stay under my TDEE but i did not do as much cardio or go to the gym as much as i should have.

I think the difference in the size of my legs is proof enough that i lost a lot of strength there.. strength i intend to get back.

there is a slightly noticeable difference in my back.. not as much fat being stored there as before.. most notaly look at the fat fold in my upper delt on the before picsw and the lack there of on the after pic..

the front photo is not anything to write home about, but then again i am as white as casper so the difference is there,, although ever so slight, it probably would be more noticeable if i got a tan.

So, i plan on starting my cycle in another couple weeks.. was originally planning on starting now but some things came up and i do not want to start until i have everything i need.. i am hoping that with my next cycle that i will burn a bit of fat and get down to the 15% that i want.. i am currently at 17.5% by way of 4 point caliper test.

[RaginCajun]

i can tell that you have changed. you a little leaner than you were before, especially the pic of your back. and remember, it is not a sprint but a marathon.

[MACHINE5150]

i can tell that you have changed. you a little leaner than you were before, especially the pic of your back. and remember, it is not a sprint but a marathon.

This is very true. i think that in 4-5 months when i am finished with my next cycle that the before pics of this and then the after pics with the tren ace will be much more dramatic.. i joined a gym that has a tanning bed so i will be getting some color to me as well.. which always helps.

[KyProp]

Really great progress. Dont get down about the strength loss as it will come back quick. There is a noticeable difference in muscle size in your arms, legs etc and once that comes back the change will be very obvious.

Good to see another rugger. What position and where do you play?

[dec11]

once you re-adjust carbs your strength will come back, ive found this with carb cycling

[MACHINE5150]

Really great progress. Dont get down about the strength loss as it will come back quick. There is a noticeable difference in muscle size in your arms, legs etc and once that comes back the change will be very obvious.

Good to see another rugger. What position and where do you play?

Prop.. tight or loose.. usually loose, but tight sometimes when i sub for the upper league as our tight head got injured..

[FireGuy]

My thoughts:
The Good News, I think your results are better than you are giving yourself credit for.
The Bad News, Much of this is due to you underestimating how much bodyfat you had to begin with. I think you were closer to 30% than 20% to begin with and probably low 20% now. When you start with a bodyfat % number in your head that is much lower than you truly are it really can be discouraging when you go to measure your results. If you are figuring yourself at 17% now it's going to really depressing if you drop another 10-12 lbs and wonder why you are not cut up with abs and great definition because theoretically you should be getting in the 12% range. Then you think, damn, I lost a lot of muscle. No, you just had more fat on your body than you thought you did. I see this happen quite a bit with guys who get ready for their first show and end up 30lbs lighter than they think they are going to.

I see this quite a bit in the picture thread, these guys post pics who are carrying some decent size but way overweight. So many people chime in with the "Dude, drop 15lbs and you will be a beast" and I think to myself, drop 15lbs and you are still going to be very chunky. I mean no disrespect Machine, I am telling you this more as a compliment to what you have accomplished. I think your perceived results are better and I dont think you lost nearly the muscle you think you did. You just thought you were leaner than you were when you started. It would be nice to see you drop to around 200-205 and see what you really have to work with.

[tbody66]

My thoughts:
The Good News, I think your results are better than you are giving yourself credit for.
The Bad News, Much of this is due to you underestimating how much bodyfat you had to begin with. I think you were closer to 30% than 20% to begin with and probably low 20% now. When you start with a bodyfat % number in your head that is much lower than you truly are it really can be discouraging when you go to measure your results. If you are figuring yourself at 17% now it's going to really depressing if you drop another 10-12 lbs and wonder why you are not cut up with abs and great definition because theoretically you should be getting in the 12% range. Then you think, damn, I lost a lot of muscle. No, you just had more fat on your body than you thought you did. I see this happen quite a bit with guys who get ready for their first show and end up 30lbs lighter than they think they are going to.

I see this quite a bit in the picture thread, these guys post pics who are carrying some decent size but way overweight. So many people chime in with the "Dude, drop 15lbs and you will be a beast" and I think to myself, drop 15lbs and you are still going to be very chunky. I mean no disrespect Machine, I am telling you this more as a compliment to what you have accomplished. I think your perceived results are better and I dont think you lost nearly the muscle you think you did. You just thought you were leaner than you were when you started. It would be nice to see you drop to around 200-205 and see what you really have to work with.

Agree with FG, and shouldn't we all almost all of the time. I am proud of what you have done so far and you should be also. Keep on keeping on.

[SlimmerMe]

Keep it up stong machine you are!!!

[MACHINE5150]

My thoughts:
The Good News, I think your results are better than you are giving yourself credit for.
The Bad News, Much of this is due to you underestimating how much bodyfat you had to begin with. I think you were closer to 30% than 20% to begin with and probably low 20% now. When you start with a bodyfat % number in your head that is much lower than you truly are it really can be discouraging when you go to measure your results. If you are figuring yourself at 17% now it's going to really depressing if you drop another 10-12 lbs and wonder why you are not cut up with abs and great definition because theoretically you should be getting in the 12% range. Then you think, damn, I lost a lot of muscle. No, you just had more fat on your body than you thought you did. I see this happen quite a bit with guys who get ready for their first show and end up 30lbs lighter than they think they are going to.

I see this quite a bit in the picture thread, these guys post pics who are carrying some decent size but way overweight. So many people chime in with the "Dude, drop 15lbs and you will be a beast" and I think to myself, drop 15lbs and you are still going to be very chunky. I mean no disrespect Machine, I am telling you this more as a compliment to what you have accomplished. I think your perceived results are better and I dont think you lost nearly the muscle you think you did. You just thought you were leaner than you were when you started. It would be nice to see you drop to around 200-205 and see what you really have to work with.

You are probably right.. On one side i have almost no fat on my legs and arms.. but on the other side i carry a TON of fat on my back and a good amount on my stomach.. so it is tough to tell.. the measurement machine that you stand on and type in the numbers said i was 27.5% and that seemed high.. but the calipers said ~17.5%.. i think i am somewhere in the middle. I especially think you are correct because of this.. looking at yourself.. who is competing at 185lbs at roughly 3-4% BF.. there is NO WAY that my LBM would be yours if i lost ALL MY FAT.. in other words.. my muscles are not as large as yours and just covered by 30+lbs of fat.. your LBM IS bigger than mine is..

I just go off the calipers.. here were the measurements:
Before:
242.6lbs
Sub 17
Bi 10
Tri 14
Sup 24
Total: 64

After:
225lbs
Sub 19
Bi 5
Tri 10
Sup 11
Total: 45

when i put it into the clalculator online they come back with the respective numbers.. but i agree the measurements are subject to Human error.

Either way, i am a bit leaner and plan on making a gradual reduction of my BF.. I won't cut down to 205lbs.. simply because i weighed more than that when i was 17y.o.

Another note i would like to say is that when i was 19, i was 220lbs 9%BF with the under water test, and 7% on calipers.. and you could still barely see my abs.. primarily cause i just don't work them out.. i do core training but i don't go and do a bunch of crunches and stuff.. so they never show through my midsection as they do with many others.

I will keep you posted on how i get on.. thanks for all the support from all you guys.

[Gucks]

You are probably right.. On one side i have almost no fat on my legs and arms.. but on the other side i carry a TON of fat on my back and a good amount on my stomach.. so it is tough to tell.. the measurement machine that you stand on and type in the numbers said i was 27.5% and that seemed high.. but the calipers said ~17.5%.. i think i am somewhere in the middle. I especially think you are correct because of this.. looking at yourself.. who is competing at 185lbs at roughly 3-4% BF.. there is NO WAY that my LBM would be yours if i lost ALL MY FAT.. in other words.. my muscles are not as large as yours and just covered by 30+lbs of fat.. your LBM IS bigger than mine is..

I just go off the calipers.. here were the measurements:
Before:
242.6lbs
Sub 17
Bi 10
Tri 14
Sup 24
Total: 64

After:
225lbs
Sub 19
Bi 5
Tri 10
Sup 11
Total: 45

when i put it into the clalculator online they come back with the respective numbers.. but i agree the measurements are subject to Human error.

Either way, i am a bit leaner and plan on making a gradual reduction of my BF.. I won't cut down to 205lbs.. simply because i weighed more than that when i was 17y.o.

Another note i would like to say is that when i was 19, i was 220lbs 9%BF with the under water test, and 7% on calipers.. and you could still barely see my abs.. primarily cause i just don't work them out.. i do core training but i don't go and do a bunch of crunches and stuff.. so they never show through my midsection as they do with many others.

I will keep you posted on how i get on.. thanks for all the support from all you guys.

i would say that is rediculous, branch warren was 185 ibs @ 4% bf when he was 18 and competed in mr. teen usa...jay was 215 in the same competition at the same height as you. at that rate you could have been a pro if u had those stats at 19.

and why would u not shoot for about 220 ibs? that still pretty big man and u wuld be lean. just because u were that weight when u were 19 doesnt matter, excess fat is no good to you (apart from as a prop).

[zaggahamma]

definately look leaner without doubt...lotta results in a short time...will b following the tren thread

[Buddhabody]

Good work......nice motivation...

[FireGuy]

You are probably right.. On one side i have almost no fat on my legs and arms.. but on the other side i carry a TON of fat on my back and a good amount on my stomach.. so it is tough to tell.. the measurement machine that you stand on and type in the numbers said i was 27.5% and that seemed high.. but the calipers said ~17.5%.. i think i am somewhere in the middle. I especially think you are correct because of this.. looking at yourself.. who is competing at 185lbs at roughly 3-4% BF.. there is NO WAY that my LBM would be yours if i lost ALL MY FAT.. in other words.. my muscles are not as large as yours and just covered by 30+lbs of fat.. your LBM IS bigger than mine is..

I just go off the calipers.. here were the measurements:
Before:
242.6lbs
Sub 17
Bi 10
Tri 14
Sup 24
Total: 64

After:
225lbs
Sub 19
Bi 5
Tri 10
Sup 11
Total: 45

when i put it into the clalculator online they come back with the respective numbers.. but i agree the measurements are subject to Human error.

Either way, i am a bit leaner and plan on making a gradual reduction of my BF.. I won't cut down to 205lbs.. simply because i weighed more than that when i was 17y.o.

Another note i would like to say is that when i was 19, i was 220lbs 9%BF with the under water test, and 7% on calipers.. and you could still barely see my abs.. primarily cause i just don't work them out.. i do core training but i don't go and do a bunch of crunches and stuff.. so they never show through my midsection as they do with many others.

I will keep you posted on how i get on.. thanks for all the support from all you guys.

OK, not trying to corner you on this but you have to explain to help me understand. At 19 you had those stats and now you have your current ones. So in 9 years of training and running all the cycles you have ran you have lost 22lbs of muscle and gained 27lbs of fat. Sorry but that just doesnt seem to make any sense.

[gbrice75]

I won't cut down to 205lbs.. simply because i weighed more than that when i was 17y.o.

So what? I don't see what your age has to do with any of this. Do you have pics from when you were 17? If you do, post a few so we can see what you're talking about. If no, i'm willing to bet you're dealing with a bit of nostalgia - I trained back in 2000-2001 and remember being in GREAT shape; when I dusted off the ol' photo album... nope, nothing special. I'm in way better shape now, and this isn't even close to the picture in my head.

Another note i would like to say is that when i was 19, i was 220lbs 9%BF with the under water test, and 7% on calipers.. and you could still barely see my abs.. primarily cause i just don't work them out[/QUOTE]

I know the underwater tests are supposed to be teh shiz, but honestly I don't see how this could have been right. Even with lack of ab development, you'd see them plenty at 7-9%. Not to be in poor taste, but look at some of the pictures of video you see of Somalian kids (not talking about starving/distended bellied kids) - they're super lean, <10% and we can almost be certain they don't 'work' their abs, but you can still see them plenty. Granted, they're not popping since they're not developed or full - but you can surely see them.

OK, not trying to corner you on this but you have to explain to help me understand. At 19 you had those stats and now you have your current ones. So in 9 years of training and running all the cycles you have ran you have lost 22lbs of muscle and gained 27lbs of fat. Sorry but that just doesnt seem to make any sense.

This is a good point Machine, tough to figure this one. TBH, I think you're WAY overly concerned with all the numbers (i.e. I used to be this bodyfat, I don't wanna weigh this much, etc) instead of what it's really about - how do you look and feel? I am learning every day that unless you're planning to compete, FVCK the numbers. Monitor your progress via measurement, clothes fit, looks, etc. Use the scale sparingly because it will fvck your head up.

Either way, good job bro - you've most definitely lost some fat, most noticeably in your lower back. Don't let the weight mess with your head like it did for me bro. I was well on my way to 10% and am fat again because of that.

[FireGuy]

Damn GBrice, that is an excellent post. The point about being too caught up in numbers, especially bodyweight is rampant amongst too many members. I have read several posts about how people dont want to weigh a certain amount because that's what they weighed in (fill in the year). My current off season weight is 210-215, I weighed more than that 10 years and have been as high as 240. But, my 210 now looks a whole lot different than my 210 did then.

As far as the calipers go, I can now see why you are getting numbers showing far below your look Machine. You are doing a 4pt and two of them on on your arm and one on the suprailliac. Those are 3 of the leanest sites on almost all men. A 9pt will also measure your Abdominal, Quad and the monster of all pinches...lower back kidney area. This is where men store their bodyfat, if you are not taking measurements at these areas you are not getting anywhere near accurate results.

[calstate23]

Yeah definitely FORGET the numbers....Its about leaness, size and proportion.

I remember when I weighed 180 at 6% and everyone always thought I weighed 200+.....The mirror is always your best scale

But nice work keep it up

[dec11]

Yeah definitely FORGET the numbers....Its about leaness, size and proportion.

I remember when I weighed 180 at 6% and everyone always thought I weighed 200+.....The mirror is always your best scale

But nice work keep it up

good point, im 205lbs in my avi and some have been saying i look alot heavier

[calstate23]

good point, im 205lbs in my avi and some have been saying i look alot heavier

Yeah you def look bigger then 205...You still around 205?

[MACHINE5150]

OK, not trying to corner you on this but you have to explain to help me understand. At 19 you had those stats and now you have your current ones. So in 9 years of training and running all the cycles you have ran you have lost 22lbs of muscle and gained 27lbs of fat. Sorry but that just doesnt seem to make any sense.

i only started training again about 18 months ago.. between 21-26 i drank 3-4 times a week and did a bunch of coke..

this was at my peak AT 19-20 Y.O might have been more like 212-215.. but back then i repped 405lbs 3 times on bench and worked out with 4x10x405lbs on squat.. I don't have a lot of pics from when i was younger..

I know the underwater tests are supposed to be teh shiz, but honestly I don't see how this could have been right. Even with lack of ab development, you'd see them plenty at 7-9%. Not to be in poor taste, but look at some of the pictures of video you see of Somalian kids (not talking about starving/distended bellied kids) - they're super lean, <10% and we can almost be certain they don't 'work' their abs, but you can still see them plenty. Granted, they're not popping since they're not developed or full - but you can surely see them.

you could see them they were just not that defined..






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By machine5150 at 2011-05-07

Regardless i don't want that low of a BF again.. 12014% would be fine with me.. too much effort to maintain a BF leaner than that.. and to me it is just not worth it at the moment.

[FireGuy]

^^Are those pics the ones when you were 7-9% and 220lbs?

[MACHINE5150]

the top one would have been closer to 210-215, 20 y.o... bottom one 200-205.. that was mardi gras 2002 i think.. so i was 19 then..

Another thing worth mentioning is when i was at 220 and got tested i was on a cycle.. i don't have pics of that.. but the top pic was right about 6 months after the cycle..

I tend to agree with you.. as i was probably NOT that low.. but that is what they said when doing the test.. the caliper said 7% and the water said 9%.. i didn't have much fat on me AT ALL back then.. I think i was more along the lines of 12% or so as you stated.

regardless i tend to agree with you and GB's earlier post.. it is too easy to get caught up into numbers and forget what it all means.. my goals would be to look something like Brock Lesnar.. only 5" shorter and 30lbs lighter..

in this pic he is 6'3" 280lbs.. and i would guess around 12%BF..



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[Bigd89]

^^^my life goal is to look like brock lesnar. Im 60lbs of muscle away...lol

[MACHINE5150]

^^^my life goal is to look like brock lesnar. Im 60lbs of muscle away...lol

are you 6'3" ????

[Bigd89]

6'2, maybe taller I haven't checked my height in a couple years.

[Bigd89]

Ok just checked. No shoes and back against the wall just over 75 inches. So 6'3, shoes probably 6'4.

[MACHINE5150]

so your just a few tren cycles away and your there!!

[Gucks]

^^^my life goal is to look like brock lesnar. Im 60lbs of muscle away...lol

i dont know who brock lesnar is but im the same height (6"3) and only 100ibs off him at 19. give me 10 years and about 5 cycles :P

[chi]

My thoughts:
The Good News, I think your results are better than you are giving yourself credit for.
The Bad News, Much of this is due to you underestimating how much bodyfat you had to begin with. I think you were closer to 30% than 20% to begin with and probably low 20% now. When you start with a bodyfat % number in your head that is much lower than you truly are it really can be discouraging when you go to measure your results. If you are figuring yourself at 17% now it's going to really depressing if you drop another 10-12 lbs and wonder why you are not cut up with abs and great definition because theoretically you should be getting in the 12% range. Then you think, damn, I lost a lot of muscle. No, you just had more fat on your body than you thought you did. I see this happen quite a bit with guys who get ready for their first show and end up 30lbs lighter than they think they are going to.

I see this quite a bit in the picture thread, these guys post pics who are carrying some decent size but way overweight. So many people chime in with the "Dude, drop 15lbs and you will be a beast" and I think to myself, drop 15lbs and you are still going to be very chunky. I mean no disrespect Machine, I am telling you this more as a compliment to what you have accomplished. I think your perceived results are better and I dont think you lost nearly the muscle you think you did. You just thought you were leaner than you were when you started. It would be nice to see you drop to around 200-205 and see what you really have to work with.

FG good point and that has been my issue especially with my midsection and eating unclean to get up in weight.

Machine you did a hell of a job though with your diet and should be proud. I would cut down the bf even further and start off with a good base for cycling. In the long run you will thank yourself and be much more happy. I know it is a mind fcuk to drop the weight because for me it just kills me. Keep fighting the good fight.