the amazement of tren

[Tlee8769]

It takes time to build to FULL STRENGTH it's active quite quickly. Id have to blame letro simply because I have changed nothing for 8 weeks and suddendly when I take letro shit happens. You tell me what's going on then mr 300 posts of bullshit.......it's the only logical explanation.

Your trying to state logic to a person that has very little to zero logic himself.

[baseline_9]

i wonder how much fun we'll get before the hammer swings?

If you keep making us LOL dec the hammer will not swing...

Keep up the good work, just don't flame too much if you can help it

[Swifto]

well unfortunately due to the limited clinical information on PCT, I do have to put all my eggs in one basket for this one.

i only went and read the first page or 2 to your your thread. there is some great info in there, although 3 things I noticed in 45 seconds of reading, and please if you have updated since then just let me know.

#1 you told someone GH does nothing for HPTA restoration when in fact GH therapy has been shown to stimulate T synthesis.

#2 your ramping of HCG calls for 500iu's eod, when after a long heavy cycle, 1,000-2,500 iu's would be of much more benefit.

#3 since timing is the #1 reason for failed PCT's, I think you should amend your protocol. You state, like every other person on every board you will find, that stimulating endogenous LH and FSH production should be started 2 weeks after a cycle of test E or test C.

after a 12 week cycle of 600mgs, blood test's came back at up to 2800 ( do i need to post the study or has everyone seen this 1,000 times). Blood was drawn in relation to the half-life, 7 days after last injection. so we can assume that levels were around 5600 the day after your last shot. Now since the idea of ramping is to maximally stimulate T synthesis (and other actions at the pituitary) it would be better to over estimate the time to attempt to restart endogenous T production, so lets call it 6,000.

Now lets use a half-life of seven days, even though that is short by many definitions. 7 days after the last shot we will be at 3,000. 7 days after that we will be at 1500. this is when you want to attempt to start endogenous LH production???? wouldnt you think that with T levels this high be causing shut-down due to the negative feedback loop at this time????

now another 7 days 750, and another 375. Scally has written that this is the time, after androgen therapy, that the testicles will even attempt to restart naturally. thats 4 weeks using a very short half-life. im sorry that i keep referencing Scally, but i will now parrot from him. "there is no substitute for laboratory confirmation". so not only are you cutting SERM treatment short with this timing, you are also missing out on the most important time to run your HCG.

Let me ask you a question Swifto, have you ever had someone take a blood test during HCG treatment to see what doses effectively stimulate T????? if not i do not know how you could even begin to argue with this, cause Scally sure has, he has tested 1,000's of patients all throughout their protocol.

I dont have to be cycling for 20 years like dec, to realize this information is correct, besides since Scally publishes all his research, unlike many of the experts out there, what reason does he have to lie.

I'll be back when I have more time on your response Oak...

For one, when you reference a study, or alude to it, get your f*cking numbers right.

The study your referring to had TT at 2,370 ng/dl after 20 weeks of Test Enan at 600mg/wk.

May be your copy and paste skills arnt where I had them before.

[Tlee8769]

you say beating, i dont see it that way, all i see is a bunch of guys trying to put me down personally, and not refuting any claims ive made with anything more than a empty post................its amusing to me that everyone thinks so highly of all these "anectdotal" post's.......................thats exactly what we need, more people doing things cause someone else did it and it "worked".......................................... ....

thats not you is it chip????

Lick your wounds and go away if your science works for yourself with your extensive AAS history then way to go hero. They are respected for a reason you know why maybe you do not get it it's because the advice they give works and helps people like myself. You know how many people they have personally helped with issues regarding to AAS combined? And you are trying to dispute with them its rediculous its tried tested and true. Your approach is where your problem is you are trying to show your answer to everything is better and more up to date but what you do not understand is that you are not respected here because of your very horrible attitude. I personally have been following swiftos advice and i feel fantastic and it is working for me and that is how respect is earned once again its tried tested and true. You have to get through your head that their advice works how do you not comprehend that but the way you speak is like a spoiled little kid who didnt get his way and it is really quite annoying. Here i will put it this way to you say this was basketball you are telling guys like Micheal Jordan how to shoot a basketball properly i am pretty sure that they have the proper knowledge and are able to teach people the right way how to shoot. And you are stating this doctor this and that well for one- one point of view is never better than a wide variety of views even if the one view is from a doctor. You really need to post this pic of yourself because without it you have zero credibility. You have an answer for everything and challenge everyone you sound like a only child who was given everything and always got his way well here you are known as a post wh*re and i do not see you being respected in the near future due to you attitude and your lack of respect so i think you should go back to your site where you are so well known and tolerated and i do not see how that is possible and let the Vets give advice on this site ok.

[jeallybean78]

Great compound for sure, can't wait to try it.

[Tlee8769]

How extensive should your AAS usage be before you use this compound ?

[Rastapopolous]

How extensive should your AAS usage be before you use this compound ?

1. Need to be not afraid of pinning ED for best results using Tren Ace. If you haven't got pinning down to a fine art then you'll find pinning ED gets tiring very quickly.
2. Need to be able to put up with sides:
-Sexual (can be a bloody marathon getting it done due to delayed ejac.) lol
-Cardio will go down the drain. You'll get puffed walking up stairs etc.
-Acne - can get quite bad after a while of usage.
-Anger/Irratibility when tired or worn out.

Other than the above, Tren is awesome... you'll feel a million bucks most of the time and it makes you happy as hell (almost too happy lol). Kind of easy to overtrain on it in a sense though as you get so much more motivation to train from it... easy to overdo it.

I think if you've got a few cycles under your belt then you're good to go with Tren... It's my favourite AAS!

[oldschoolfitness]

getting ready to run 100 mg eod tren ace and test eth 750 mg 1x wk 8 weeks for tren and 12 for test

[baseline_9]

A lot of our members do get curious when a new member joins and starts sprouting advice, a lot of our members will challenge you about how long have you been training and also your steroid experience. Please don't get discouraged with this but this happens a lot seeing that we are the biggest steroid forum on the net we do seem to attract many parrots who have an odd desire to post other peoples advice, strange but true.

To me you seem to be fitting well into the new parrot member, but please if I am wrong I apologise but let me explain why I am thinking this way. I would first like to take you to your first thread on another site in 2009 were you state and I quote " I have been lifting for a year now"

THE-DET-OAK
04-02-2009

I am 29yrs 6'2 220.8lbs 20% bodyfat. I have been lifting for a year now. I having been thinking long and hard for three months and have decided to do my first cycle. I have a diet in place. It is what I should be eating just not always when I should be eating it because of work and I am single dad, it is sometimes hard to get all food prep done to take to work with me. I work out with my roomate who has been into building for 4 years and we came up with a routine that seems to be working well for me. The majority of my bodyfat is around my waist it has been that way since I was seven. Even football for 4 years in high school didn't take that away. So this is what I have came up with:
1-10 test e(amps) 500mgs/week-shot once a week
12-15nolvadex pct 40/40/20/20

I am worried about gyno cause of my bodyfat. So what I need to know is about the signs of it-and in detail because I read about the itchy nips and the swelling but will i know? Is it real Itchy? Is the hard palet under nips easy to notice or do i have to pay really close attention? Are there any other signs? If i do notice it can i just use the nolva-to block? Do i need to get some adex to reduce the level of estrogen if this occurs? or can i take nolva until signs subside?

Thanks for your input it will be much appreciated.

You also stated on this thread on this board that, and I quote " I have also worked with many, many patients on TRT" this indicates to our members your working with trt patients ie Doctor of some kind and it doesn't mean your a receptionist at a HRT clinic, I quote -

I agree that aromasin is the best AI to use. even @ 25mg ED studies have shown, on men, to keep E2 within range. Although .25mg ED is too much of letro is too much. .625mg E3D works fine for most, I have also worked with many, many patients on TRT and this dose work just fine, even with bloodwork to prove it.

Yet 12 months ago on your other board you started this thread " what are the downsides to TRT" and I quote " beside the not having kids part, what are the downsides?"

03-16-2010
THE-DET-OAK
Besides the having kids part, what are the downsides? there has to be some negatives-but i cant seem to find them.

If your working with TRT patients like you said surely you would know the downsides, also you would know what you asked in this thread

08-30-2010
THE-DET-OAK
Masteron - how much should I run?

so im on prop @ 150 EOD. m gonna start some halotestin in a couple days.

how much mast prop should i run? 100mg EOD?

im not worried about getting hard from it, i want to use it for its SHBG effects

I guess now you know why I am thinking your just another parrot with zero experience or knowledge,and before you start saying that this person isn't you but as the same screen name you did state on a thread on this forum and I quote

THE-DET-OAK
I have never been banned form any forum ever. I post mostly on ology and am in good standing. Im a mod on another board, and frequent a few others, nice try though. and please point out my bad...

Oh and you also said you did you first steroid cycle with 20% bf which fits perfectly into your stats on the first quote who happens to have the same screen name and the same board you said you was from!! you also started your 2nd cycle on 11/15 as explained in your thread and I quote -

12-17-2009
THE-DET-OAK
will I get bigger on this cycle?
so far im having a great cycle-i started on 11/15. I have gained 21 lbs already-and strenght and stamina are through the roof. i started at 219-now im 240. my bf% is prob down a lil-and im feeling lean and mean.

As of Monday I will have one more week of the DBol. i have stopped the prop. My question is-will i still gain by adding the NPP? i wouldn't mind going all the way to 250 on this cycle. ive just heard soooo many people say you can only gain so much on 1 cycle-so im starting to wonder if i will be waisting the NPP since I have already gained 21 LBS.

That's were I took your threads and posts from the board you mentioned above. I could post more of your threads what you have started (which I am sure you wouldn't like) which would show you asking very simple steroid questions and asking for basic information, thus my thinking your just a parrot with a couple of cycles under your belt with around 3 yrs worth of training who is on TRT due to your idiotic cycling.

3yrs training, 2 cycles = parrot

I think I should ignore your post from now on otherwise I wouldnt be able to hold back.....best of luck to you lol

18yrs powerlifting, N. Ireland champion many times in 3 different body weights 75kg -100kg class. British Bronze medallist, represented NI 5 times in international competition. all natural, i might add

and your credentials? oh, none. epic fail lol

talk about being shit on, you donkey lol

205lb and can still squat 270kgs and dlift 260kgs with multiple injuries, bit more than you, eh?

man, where is that hall of shame thread at? lol

yeah give him his own section. 'the lying fraud' forum, sponsored by Pinnocio

buy a copy of gaytimes

somewhere on the planet a face and two palms are meeting.....

is your nose getting longer?

Subscribed

liar, nose is gona be poking your screen soon lmao

maybe its actually getting sad now.
man you are one of the biggest rejects ever.
ive had the displeasure of dealing with tosspots before, but you are without doubt the alpha w@nk sock

jez, maybe still going through puberty?

I agree man, I cant take the this derailed crap anymore...unsubscribed

Originally Posted by THE-DET-OAK
im not responding to pic requests anymore, ihave stated why in not doing it, im underdeveloped and couldnt possibly live up to my own hype, my nose how ever is getting longer and longer, i can now hang ten 2.5kgs plates on there................now leave me alone, i have my period.





A few of this threads highlights for me....

LOL

[baseline_9]

For some reason this kind of reminds me of this thread....

[kawizx10]

there, all fixed for ya lol

Now this is so sad.... I am at home on the couch watching some TV.... Modern Family, great show BTW.... and i am actually laughing about how the Diet Oak is now Dead oak......
In my office with my morning coffee and what laugh already...... Thanks Dec......LMFAO ROFL ......

[Rosco901]

Im just away to start a 10 week cycle of test E and Tren A all this talk about tren sounds good, i take ages to sleep anyway so not looking forward to any insomnia lol although im sure the gains would be worth it!

Any one running HCG through there cycle?

[baseline_9]

On a tren cycle HCG is going to be a must....

You would be silly to not use it...

And for my input on this thread.....well actually not this thread but the argument LOL



I used Swifto's PCT protocol with HCG on cycle as he recommends and my BW results came back showing an INCREASE in TT....

That BW was done 12 weeks Post PCT as well...


It worked for me that time so I will be using it the same again but with a higher HCG dose due to the addition of other more SuperDrive compounds....

[Rosco901]

nice 1 cheers man. Ant chance you can post swifto`s PCT thread for me?

[Swifto]

nice 1 cheers man. Ant chance you can post swifto`s PCT thread for me?

See the Q&A in the PCT Forum, rather than the Sticky.

Read all 14 pages of the thread...

[Rosco901]

will do cheers swifto.

[dec11]

Dec: Whats a Tosspot? Must be an Irish thing?

spunk storage lol

[mick86]

As far as my experience with tren goes, I've used tren A twice at at fairly low doses yet still with great results. 300mg pw & 350mg pw were my doses. Both times I combined it with test prop at 500 and 600mg pw. I dint experience much in the way of coughing but had noticeable night sweats, violent dreams and m aerobic capacity took a notable blow. I'm prone to loosing hair on cycle but fortunately tren didn't seem to cause me problems there.

[Rosco901]

well im looking at 300mg pw tren a and 800mg pw test e so should so good gains with this.

Any opinions on using a diff test or tren?

[dec11]

1. Need to be not afraid of pinning ED for best results using Tren Ace. If you haven't got pinning down to a fine art then you'll find pinning ED gets tiring very quickly.
2. Need to be able to put up with sides:
-Sexual (can be a bloody marathon getting it done due to delayed ejac.) lol
-Cardio will go down the drain. You'll get puffed walking up stairs etc.
-Acne - can get quite bad after a while of usage.
-Anger/Irratibility when tired or worn out.

Other than the above, Tren is awesome... you'll feel a million bucks most of the time and it makes you happy as hell (almost too happy lol). Kind of easy to overtrain on it in a sense though as you get so much more motivation to train from it... easy to overdo it.

I think if you've got a few cycles under your belt then you're good to go with Tren... It's my favourite AAS!

every other day pinning is perfectly ok, ed is unnecessary in my experience.
not everyone will suffer those sides, the trick is to start out with something low like 350mgs pw, i got fantastic results of that and zero sides

[Rosco901]

glad someone else agrees that pinning ed is not nessesary eod good enough?

[dec11]

glad someone else agrees that pinning ed is not nessesary eod good enough?

eod is fine mate, ive tried both ways on one cycle and it made no diff, ed pinning becomes a tiresome chore. there may be slight diff on paper but physically theres absolutely none to be felt

[Rosco901]

sound. what were you running with tren?

[dec11]

sound. what were you running with tren?

250 test e and 350 test p

[Rosco901]

i know it sounds dumb but thats 1000mg pw? any sides?

[dec11]

i know it sounds dumb but thats 1000mg pw? any sides?

600 test, 350 tren mate

just sore nips from the test and alittle more sweaty from the tren

[Rosco901]

thats not to bad then none of this tren cough of insomina then?

[dec11]

thats not to bad then none of this tren cough of insomina then?

thts only if you get a trace of gear in the blood stream, usually when going through(switching needles after drawing eliminates this) or coming back through a vein (not much you can do here). i really dont know why its called just tren cough? the only time ive had this was with prop, so im guessing anything will do it to you. felt like my throat was closing over and drying up rapidly, wasnt nice. no insomnia for me and i can be a restless sleeper at times

[baseline_9]

I have also had a cough when shooting prop

When I pulled the pin out, blood literally squwerted out LOL

Must of just gone thru sumat that allowed the TP into my bloodstream quickly and then on pulling out the pooled blood under my skin just came out...

Its not nice having a coughing fit with a needle stuck in your arse

[Rosco901]

haha ye that makes sense as you hit a blood vessle coming out, try getting cramp mid pinning! not a good time.

[dec11]

I have also had a cough when shooting prop

When I pulled the pin out, blood literally squwerted out LOL

Must of just gone thru sumat that allowed the TP into my bloodstream quickly and then on pulling out the pooled blood under my skin just came out...

Its not nice having a coughing fit with a needle stuck in your arse

yeah, mine came on in seconds

[Rosco901]

in regards to pinning eod on tren did you always pin the same area?

[dec11]

in regards to pinning eod on tren did you always pin the same area?

no, rotate sites, you'd get away with just using both delts on eod injects

[Bigd89]

Dec, off topic but...how wide are your shoulders? Ever taped?

[dec11]

Dec, off topic but...how wide are your shoulders? Ever taped?

no, have never measured

[Bigd89]

You should..

[dec11]

You should..

mite take afew measurements b4 my tren cycle just for interest, will log all in members section

[MBMETC]

600 test, 350 tren mate

just sore nips from the test and alittle more sweaty from the tren

where the hell you fitting all that gear on eod injections what is that like 8mls what's the concentration....i mean wow..lol

[dec11]

where the hell you fitting all that gear on eod injections what is that like 8mls what's the concentration....i mean wow..lol

1ml test e x1 pw. and test p and tren a 3ml combined eod sometimes split between diff muscle groups if quads werent ready, i wouldnt put 3mls in delts

test e 250mg/ml
test p 50mg/ml (was 2ml HG amps)
trena 100mg/ml

[MBMETC]

250 test e x1 pw. and test p and tren a 3ml combined eod sometimes split between diff muscle groups if quads werent ready, i wouldnt put 3mls in delts

nor would i