HCG and chest sencitivity

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Good post Jos!

First, HCG will increase intra-testicular E2 especially if you inject alot in a short time period and it's very difficult to manage with an AI. This is why you should be injecting low doses more frequently. 700 iu in two days is a bit much so you could be sensitive to HCG OR had a baseline E2 level that was pushed over the edge with the addition of the HCG.

I would think it's more the later then the former.

I would do two things:

1. Stay on the AI; you need this anyway. BTW, it's ideal if you can take the AI in smaller doses more frequently as well. Take it at the same time you inject your HCG below.
2. Spread out your HCG injections to E3D with 225 iu per injection. This provides the same amount of HCG but does not "bang" the boys hard - like 700 iu in 2 days - and provides for a more natural and consistent level of HCG.

Much has been written on this so do some research and see what the other guys have to say here. BUT will say this; you need HCG and the fact that the clinic has prescribed it for you along with an AI means they know what they are doing. So, discuss my suggestion with them if you'd like and see what they say but it sounds like you're in good hands.

You may also want to get a new E2 sensitivity assay as well just to see where you are at as it will tell you much.

And hey, welcome to the community

[joslan]

Good post Jos!

First, HCG will increase intra-testicular E2 especially if you inject alot in a short time period and it's very difficult to manage with an AI. This is why you should be injecting low doses more frequently. 700 iu in two days is a bit much so you could be sensitive to HCG OR had a baseline E2 level that was pushed over the edge with the addition of the HCG.

I would think it's more the later then the former.

I would do two things:

1. Stay on the AI; you need this anyway. BTW, it's ideal if you can take the AI in smaller doses more frequently as well. Take it at the same time you inject your HCG below.
2. Spread out your HCG injections to E3D with 225 iu per injection. This provides the same amount of HCG but does not "bang" the boys hard - like 700 iu in 2 days - and provides for a more natural and consistent level of HCG.

Much has been written on this so do some research and see what the other guys have to say here. BUT will say this; you need HCG and the fact that the clinic has prescribed it for you along with an AI means they know what they are doing. So, discuss my suggestion with them if you'd like and see what they say but it sounds like you're in good hands.

You may also want to get a new E2 sensitivity assay as well just to see where you are at as it will tell you much.

And hey, welcome to the community

Thank you so much for the info. My Dr prescribed 350UI 2 days in a row...!!! With the info you just provided me, i better understand how it works - just like Cypionate... now, let me ask you, i do not have Amridex on hand, should be delivered Saturday or next week, would you recommend or would it harm me if i inject HCG at a lower dose while waiting for the AI? My last blood work (Quest Lab) showed my Estradiol as being at 26 on a scale of x to 29. I just called a nurse and will have it checked again Friday morning. Please let me know about inject a lower daose of HCG with AI while i am waiting or should i simply wait? Thanks Gdevine, this really makes me feel better now... - Joslan

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Thank you so much for the info. My Dr prescribed 350UI 2 days in a row...!!! With the info you just provided me, i better understand how it works - just like Cypionate... now, let me ask you, i do not have Amridex on hand, should be delivered Saturday or next week, would you recommend or would it harm me if i inject HCG at a lower dose while waiting for the AI? My last blood work (Quest Lab) showed my Estradiol as being at 26 on a scale of x to 29. I just called a nurse and will have it checked again Friday morning. Please let me know about inject a lower daose of HCG with AI while i am waiting or should i simply wait? Thanks Gdevine, this really makes me feel better now... - Joslan

Jos - As taking lower doses of HCG more frequently is the ideal protocol as it keeps intra-testicular E2 under control. HCG can increase E2 but it takes large amounts and you're not taking very large amounts even at 350 back to back. Like I said, IF your baseline E2 was high normal the HCG MIGHT have pushed you over and that's why you may be feeling neg sides. Besides the sensitivity in the chest do you have any other sides of high E2? Getting cold easier? Joints ache? Feel like crap? No libido? Sleepy...?

When did you have the BW where the E2 at 26...was that pre or post T protocol?

To answer your question; I would spread out the 350 iu injections a few days a part each week. That will go a long way to keep intra-testicular E2 levels from spiking. With your E2 level being 26 I would just keep the dosage the same only spread out the days that you take them and wait till your AI arrives. HCG does not aromatase at the same rate Test does and you're not taking enough HCG for your levels to rise very fast. Make sense?

Also, take your AI on the same day you inject your Test as the half life of both are about the same so as your T metabolizes the AI does so at the same rate keeping E2 really under control.

HCG is powerful hormone but taking in small and frequent doses does a great job of keep the testicles functioning properly, keep E2 under control and a real nice side benefit is the added natural Test they boys produce.

There's good research out there demonstrating the effectiveness of the 250 iu EOD dosing; I do it and have great results. My last BW had my E2 at 22.9 on 120 mg of Test Cyp per week (split into two doses of 60 mg along with .5 mg of AI per injection) and 250 HCG every other day.

I have a sneaking suspicion that feelings that you have are not E2 related.

How long have you been on your Test and what is your protocol.

[joslan]

Jos - As taking lower doses of HCG more frequently is the ideal protocol as it keeps intra-testicular E2 under control. HCG can increase E2 but it takes large amounts and you're not taking very large amounts even at 350 back to back. Like I said, IF your baseline E2 was high normal the HCG MIGHT have pushed you over and that's why you may be feeling neg sides. Besides the sensitivity in the chest do you have any other sides of high E2? Getting cold easier? Joints ache? Feel like crap? No libido? Sleepy...?

When did you have the BW where the E2 at 26...was that pre or post T protocol?

To answer your question; I would spread out the 350 iu injections a few days a part each week. That will go a long way to keep intra-testicular E2 levels from spiking. With your E2 level being 26 I would just keep the dosage the same only spread out the days that you take them and wait till your AI arrives. HCG does not aromatase at the same rate Test does and you're not taking enough HCG for your levels to rise very fast. Make sense?

Also, take your AI on the same day you inject your Test as the half life of both are about the same so as your T metabolizes the AI does so at the same rate keeping E2 really under control.

HCG is powerful hormone but taking in small and frequent doses does a great job of keep the testicles functioning properly, keep E2 under control and a real nice side benefit is the added natural Test they boys produce.

There's good research out there demonstrating the effectiveness of the 250 iu EOD dosing; I do it and have great results. My last BW had my E2 at 22.9 on 120 mg of Test Cyp per week (split into two doses of 60 mg along with .5 mg of AI per injection) and 250 HCG every other day.

I have a sneaking suspicion that feelings that you have are not E2 related.

How long have you been on your Test and what is your protocol.

What you say makes sense to me, i dont know much but, it makes sense. I read many times where guys were doing 1000UI but again i dont understand all the mechanism. I have been injecting Cypionate for the past 5 months; i am injectring 100mg every Friday mid-morning, nothing else was added to the protocol until i was referred to this specialist. I had BW done on April 27th, just before my 8th injection. I started HCG 2 weeks ago, the protocol was 350UI on the 4th and 5th day. As far as having other side effects, i dont have any of those you mentioned; i am not getting cold, or sleepy, no joint pain and dont have low libido, as a matter of fact, last weekend my libido could not be better. I read your comment in regards to the possibility this sensation might not related to a spike of E2!! would you think or suggest i should restart HCG at a lower dose with more frequent injection and see if this sensation is coming back or more persistent? it is difficult for me to accurately describe this.. there is no pain, it is not really itchy; itchy for me is like a mosquito bite or something that is sort of systematic, like every time your shirt touch your nipples then you get a reaction; i felt a very mild, similar, sensation a couple of times in a week. let me know what you think
Thanks Gdevine for your support and advices - Joslan

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What you say makes sense to me, i dont know much but, it makes sense. I read many times where guys were doing 1000UI but again i dont understand all the mechanism. I have been injecting Cypionate for the past 5 months; i am injectring 100mg every Friday mid-morning, nothing else was added to the protocol until i was referred to this specialist. I had BW done on April 27th, just before my 8th injection. I started HCG 2 weeks ago, the protocol was 350UI on the 4th and 5th day. As far as having other side effects, i dont have any of those you mentioned; i am not getting cold, or sleepy, no joint pain and dont have low libido, as a matter of fact, last weekend my libido could not be better. I read your comment in regards to the possibility this sensation might not related to a spike of E2!! would you think or suggest i should restart HCG at a lower dose with more frequent injection and see if this sensation is coming back or more persistent? it is difficult for me to accurately describe this.. there is no pain, it is not really itchy; itchy for me is like a mosquito bite or something that is sort of systematic, like every time your shirt touch your nipples then you get a reaction; i felt a very mild, similar, sensation a couple of times in a week. let me know what you think
Thanks Gdevine for your support and advices - Joslan

Yes. Both GNBM and I have made a number of suggestions here for you; read above. You need HCG.

Split your test injections to twice a week like Monday AM and Thursday PM. At the same time do 250 iu of HCG. You can also split your AI dosage and take that at the same time as well. Like GNBM stated, injecting 4 times a week for some can be a real pain in the ass...literally As for me, it doesn't bother me.

The point is, you need HCG. Lower your dose to 250 iu and do twice a week and see how you feel.

[joslan]

Yes. Both GNBM and I have made a number of suggestions here for you; read above. You need HCG.

Split your test injections to twice a week like Monday AM and Thursday PM. At the same time do 250 iu of HCG. You can also split your AI dosage and take that at the same time as well. Like GNBM stated, injecting 4 times a week for some can be a real pain in the ass...literally As for me, it doesn't bother me.

The point is, you need HCG. Lower your dose to 250 iu and do twice a week and see how you feel.

Thanks guys, i will certainly follow the suggested protocol for HCG and AI - not sure if i want to split the T injection in two as it is not very pleasant because it seems i have this unique ability to hit a nerve one out of three injection... Tell me, if i keep on with my current schedule, would it be ok to inject T + HCG and take arimidex on Friday then on Tuesday, injecting HCG and taking arimidex? please let me know if this makes sense and ONE LAST QUESTION: are there any side effects of Arimidex that i should know about? thanks Joslan

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Thanks guys, i will certainly follow the suggested protocol for HCG and AI - not sure if i want to split the T injection in two as it is not very pleasant because it seems i have this unique ability to hit a nerve one out of three injection... Tell me, if i keep on with my current schedule, would it be ok to inject T + HCG and take arimidex on Friday then on Tuesday, injecting HCG and taking arimidex? please let me know if this makes sense and ONE LAST QUESTION: are there any side effects of Arimidex that i should know about? thanks Joslan

Take both your T and AI all on the same day. Split your HCG as you stated.

Neg side of too much AI is your E2 tanks (below 20) and you will have a lot of not so good symptoms. Do a search on those neg sides here (or Google) so you are aware of what to look for.