First Cycle - Comments Welcome

[Blaz Kavlic]

Age: 31
Height: 5'11
Weight: 89kg (196lbs)
Bodyfat: 11%

Ok, so after about 4 years of researching and psyching up, i'm ready to rock n roll. This is my first cycle and i'm going to keep it simple to see how I react to test on its own. My goals are to put on around 8-10kg (17-22lbs) of lean mass and retain atleast 6-7kg post PCT. I'd like to be up around the 96kg mark at around 9%bf. I've been told i've got a well developed natural physique so if I can put on some lean gains and keep them I should be feeling and looking alright.

Cycle is:

Weeks 1-12: 400mg test E
Weeks 5-14: 500iu HCG per week administered twice weekly (2x 250iu shots)
Weeks 15-19: Clomid at 100/100/50/50/50 per day and Nolva at 40/40/20/20/20 per day

I've got Arimidex on hand which i'll take at 0.25mg if I experience any gyno symptoms. At this stage i'm not sure whether I am gyno prone but i'll soon find out. I've also got some Letro but will avoid using this I think.

Any comments/suggestions welcome.

Cheers
BK

[dooie]

Age: 31
Height: 5'11
Weight: 89kg (196lbs)
Bodyfat: 11%

Ok, so after about 4 years of researching and psyching up, i'm ready to rock n roll. This is my first cycle and i'm going to keep it simple to see how I react to test on its own. My goals are to put on around 8-10kg (17-22lbs) of lean mass and retain atleast 6-7kg post PCT. I'd like to be up around the 96kg mark at around 9%bf. I've been told i've got a well developed natural physique so if I can put on some lean gains and keep them I should be feeling and looking alright.

Cycle is:

Weeks 1-12: 400mg test E
Weeks 5-14: 500iu HCG per week administered twice weekly (2x 250iu shots)
Weeks 15-19: Clomid at 100/100/50/50/50 per day and Nolva at 40/40/20/20/20 per day

I've got Arimidex on hand which i'll take at 0.25mg if I experience any gyno symptoms. At this stage i'm not sure whether I am gyno prone but i'll soon find out. I've also got some Letro but will avoid using this I think.

Any comments/suggestions welcome.

Cheers
BK

Good stuff bro! I'll b watching, why only 400mg test E?? You may want to bump it up, or even bump it later in cycle if gains start to slow/stop

[buster12]

Looks ok and yes same I would go 500mg a week for your 1st cycle

Good luck with it you should hot 96kg remember to increase your protein intake, take protein every 3 hours and drink whey before and after training

[Times Roman]

Good first cycle mate!
Nice to see someone that takes a logical, conservative approach as opposed to the “let’s take everything all at once” approach. I’ll let someone else analyze the AI and the pct, since I TRT and outside of what I normally do.

---Roman

[Blaz Kavlic]

Good stuff bro! I'll b watching, why only 400mg test E?? You may want to bump it up, or even bump it later in cycle if gains start to slow/stop

Thanks bru. I was considering frontloading with 500mg for the first couple of weeks. I've got enough test to do this so I think I will!

[Blaz Kavlic]

Looks ok and yes same I would go 500mg a week for your 1st cycle

Good luck with it you should hot 96kg remember to increase your protein intake, take protein every 3 hours and drink whey before and after training

Shall do mate. I've got my diet with macros all done up nicely on an Excel spreadsheet and i'm consuming about 350-400g of protein a day in the form of egg whites, lean meats, whey and casein. My TDEE is just under 3000 cals per day so i'm aiming for 3500 cals a day to begin with so i'll see how we go.

[jackedfibras]

Isn't it advisable to start HCG the day you start the cycle rather than at week 5?

[Blaz Kavlic]

Good first cycle mate!
Nice to see someone that takes a logical, conservative approach as opposed to the “let’s take everything all at once” approach. I’ll let someone else analyze the AI and the pct, since I TRT and outside of what I normally do.

---Roman

Thanks Roman. I just plan to start off nice and easy and build my experience before going too large.

[Blaz Kavlic]

Isn't it advisable to start HCG the day you start the cycle rather than at week 5?

I was just going to wait for the test to kick in before commencing HCG.

[Times Roman]

Thanks Roman. I just plan to start off nice and easy and build my experience before going too large.

If you plan on doing more than a few cycles, this is the intelligent way to go. Stay with a test only cycle until you begin to hit a plateau. Then you can either bump your test mg/week or add another compound. Orals are rough on you, and gains come and go too fast for my liking. I've taken a few other things, but I'm thinking a next good compound to take might be deca. Low dose, say 300mg/week, once you've gone about as far as you can go with test only. 300mg/wk deca is light, but you get the idea.

But taking it slow like you plan gives you plenty of options over time.

[dooie]

Thanks bru. I was considering frontloading with 500mg for the first couple of weeks. I've got enough test to do this so I think I will!

With Front loading normally you double your dose for the first week! So that'd be 800mg for the first week! Which isn't a bad idea actually with a slow acting ester such as test E. there is a good thread on it in here somewhere, have a look if you have the time! Some ppl front load for 2 weeks, so 800mg/week x 2 and then cut the cycle length down to 10weeks, as the receptors are not so good toward the end of a cycle anyway!. but do some research and see how you go! I would recommend going 400 and when ur gains start to slow bump up to 500mg a week say roughly week 8,

Also I don't think u'll need a PCT for 5 weeks bro 4 weeks will be fine with your cycle! You may not even need the ai, but keep on hand incase!

[Blaz Kavlic]

If you plan on doing more than a few cycles, this is the intelligent way to go. Stay with a test only cycle until you begin to hit a plateau. Then you can either bump your test mg/week or add another compound. Orals are rough on you, and gains come and go too fast for my liking. I've taken a few other things, but I'm thinking a next good compound to take might be deca. Low dose, say 300mg/week, once you've gone about as far as you can go with test only. 300mg/wk deca is light, but you get the idea.

But taking it slow like you plan gives you plenty of options over time.

I had a mate a few years ago who was an experienced AAS user however despite his experience, he was advocating getting me on the deca from the get-go. Needless to say, I wasnt overly keen on the idea of using this compound on my first cycle. Not sure which way I will go after this cycle though, but pending the outcome, I was thinking of maybe running test only again later in the year but at a higher dosage. I'll see how this maiden program pans out first.

[Blaz Kavlic]

With Front loading normally you double your dose for the first week! So that'd be 800mg for the first week! Which isn't a bad idea actually with a slow acting ester such as test E. there is a good thread on it in here somewhere, have a look if you have the time! Some ppl front load for 2 weeks, so 800mg/week x 2 and then cut the cycle length down to 10weeks, as the receptors are not so good toward the end of a cycle anyway!. but do some research and see how you go! I would recommend going 400 and when ur gains start to slow bump up to 500mg a week say roughly week 8,

Also I don't think u'll need a PCT for 5 weeks bro 4 weeks will be fine with your cycle! You may not even need the ai, but keep on hand incase!

Cheers mate. If I cut my cycle to 10 weeks, I will have enough test to do more of a frontload. Its a toss up between running the full 12 weeks at the scheduled dose of shortening it by 2 weeks and frontloading but given that its my first cycle, I'm not sure which plan would be more beneficial. My research taught me that 12 weeks was ideal for test e, however if gains slow towards the end, it does make sense to cut the cycle short by 2 weeks and go large at the start or at the end.

[tlash88]

That looks like a nice first cycle Brah, gonna have to keep us updated with your results and how things turn out in the end. Best of luck to you!

[madmikec]

good luck bro!

[tomt45]

He has the right idea starting it at 5 weeks. Because at 5 weeks he will really start to notice the effects of the testosterone. If he starts hcg at this point he will never experience testicular atrophy so his body will never stop producing test naturally. This makes for a much better pct because you don't have to wait for your natural test to start going again because it never stopped. A lot of people use hcg for pct only, but from what I have heard from the knowledgeable members on here it makes more sense to run a low dose while on cycle and slightly up the dose during pct.

Btw Blaz your cycle looks great. I can tell you did your research before taking this step. I wish I would have put this much thought and research into my first cycle. I agree that 400mg of test is kinda low. I would bump it to 500 mg if you have enough...

[Blaz Kavlic]

Thanks boys. I'm going to start a log shortly so stay tuned.

[BBrian]

Isn't it advisable to start HCG the day you start the cycle rather than at week 5?

No, HCG isn't necessary until around a time just before atrophy would begin, which most certainly is not the day he starts.

[BBrian]

Age: 31
Height: 5'11
Weight: 89kg (196lbs)
Bodyfat: 11%

Ok, so after about 4 years of researching and psyching up, i'm ready to rock n roll. This is my first cycle and i'm going to keep it simple to see how I react to test on its own. My goals are to put on around 8-10kg (17-22lbs) of lean mass and retain atleast 6-7kg post PCT. I'd like to be up around the 96kg mark at around 9%bf. I've been told i've got a well developed natural physique so if I can put on some lean gains and keep them I should be feeling and looking alright.

Cycle is:

Weeks 1-12: 400mg test E
Weeks 5-14: 500iu HCG per week administered twice weekly (2x 250iu shots)
Weeks 15-19: Clomid at 100/100/50/50/50 per day and Nolva at 40/40/20/20/20 per day

I've got Arimidex on hand which i'll take at 0.25mg if I experience any gyno symptoms. At this stage i'm not sure whether I am gyno prone but i'll soon find out. I've also got some Letro but will avoid using this I think.

Any comments/suggestions welcome.

Cheers
BK

You should check out Swifto's recent thread on using AI's during a cycle.

I don't recommend keeping an AI on-hand "just in case", I recommend using it throughout the cycle. Regardless of your individual response to gyno, you will want to keep your estrogen levels in check. You shouldn't need the letrozole, in my opinion. Aside from that, you did a really great job of putting a beginner's cycle together man. Off-topic, if this is your first cycle, I presume that isn't actually your picture.

[canadianbrah]

He has the right idea starting it at 5 weeks. Because at 5 weeks he will really start to notice the effects of the testosterone. If he starts hcg at this point he will never experience testicular atrophy so his body will never stop producing test naturally. This makes for a much better pct because you don't have to wait for your natural test to start going again because it never stopped. A lot of people use hcg for pct only, but from what I have heard from the knowledgeable members on here it makes more sense to run a low dose while on cycle and slightly up the dose during pct.

Btw Blaz your cycle looks great. I can tell you did your research before taking this step. I wish I would have put this much thought and research into my first cycle. I agree that 400mg of test is kinda low. I would bump it to 500 mg if you have enough...

But aren't you pretty much shut down from the first shot with all that extra test in your system? I've read that its best to start the HCG from day 1 because of this...I don't see why you would wait?

Regardless, great plan OP...pretty much exactly the same cycle I'm going to do in a few months (also my first cycle). Good luck!

[1T2]

Nice first cycle! Ran identical first cycle. I'm on my 12th week, last shot is tomorrow. Started with 400mg/wk. Finishing up with 500mg/wk. Gains were awesome for a first cycle. There were moments were I thought I had plateau but it was my imagination. I have friends who ran Deca on their first cycle and didn't get the gains that I got with just Test E. Clomi and Nolva ready to go. Wish I could get HCG, very hard to find here. GL bradda! I'm subscribing to this thread.

[Grizzlyadam3000]

Will be running a somewhat similar cycle in the next few weeks. Looking forward to seeing your results!

[Blaz Kavlic]

You should check out Swifto's recent thread on using AI's during a cycle.

I don't recommend keeping an AI on-hand "just in case", I recommend using it throughout the cycle. Regardless of your individual response to gyno, you will want to keep your estrogen levels in check. You shouldn't need the letrozole, in my opinion. Aside from that, you did a really great job of putting a beginner's cycle together man. Off-topic, if this is your first cycle, I presume that isn't actually your picture.

Thats Stan McQuay in my avatar. With regards to the AI, if I dose before I notice symptoms, i'm just a bit concerned about estrogen levels going too low but I might try taking it at 0.25mg E3D and see how I feel.

[Blaz Kavlic]

Regardless, great plan OP...pretty much exactly the same cycle I'm going to do in a few months (also my first cycle). Good luck!

Nice first cycle! Ran identical first cycle. I'm on my 12th week, last shot is tomorrow. Started with 400mg/wk. Finishing up with 500mg/wk. Gains were awesome for a first cycle. There were moments were I thought I had plateau but it was my imagination. I have friends who ran Deca on their first cycle and didn't get the gains that I got with just Test E. Clomi and Nolva ready to go. Wish I could get HCG, very hard to find here. GL bradda! I'm subscribing to this thread.

Will be running a somewhat similar cycle in the next few weeks. Looking forward to seeing your results!

Nice one boys and thanks for the comments. Seriously gearing up now. Been thinking about it all damn day.