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[pfmahan]

Hi Ronnie, great thread, already on my 3rd time reading through it, you present info worth absorbing. And with all you've been through you are a real encouragement. I know you have answered this before, but mabye you can explain it to me so I understand it. I will be starting my 3rd reload in 2 weeks. I have used nothing but testosterone for the cycles. 1st one was 500mg, second 750mg, and for the 3rd it will be 1g. My question is can I continue to increase each time with test only, or is their a certain point where I should add another compound. I thought as long as you increase anabolics each reload you would continue to see results. Thanks in advance for any answer!!

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron, this last cycle I was running MENT (Acetate), Masteron P, NPP. A week before my deload I started adding 200 mg Test E Mon. and Thurs. It's the first time I've done a reload with all fast esters like this one. Usually I have either test Enth, Cyp or Sust, as a base, or run Prop for my deload at 350-525 mg. Anyway, WOW!!! Unbelievable how my strength dropped during this last week!! I was squatting 462 lbs for 6 reps on my first working set last week for instance. This week I knew I would have to drop the weight and go for high reps. I was doing my second warm up set at 375 lbs when I realized that like it or not, this was my first working set, not a warm up after all. Like I said, WOW!! I got 10 reps but just barely!!! Almost panicked was thinking about 1 ml of prop being afraid I'd waste away!! I haven't done that since I thought I'd wait to get your opinion on the subject. Like I said, I led the thing by a week and still felt like the rug was jerked out from under me. I'm wondering if this is cool or if you'd leave in say 400 mg of enth during future reloads, deload with prop or just do it like I have been?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=The Titan99;6008065]Hey Ron, this last cycle I was running MENT (Acetate), Masteron P, NPP. A week before my deload I started adding 200 mg Test E Mon. and Thurs. It's the first time I've done a reload with all fast esters like this one. Usually I have either test Enth, Cyp or Sust, as a base, or run Prop for my deload at 350-525 mg. Anyway, WOW!!! Unbelievable how my strength dropped during this last week!! I was squatting 462 lbs for 6 reps on my first working set last week for instance. This week I knew I would have to drop the weight and go for high reps. I was doing my second warm up set at 375 lbs when I realized that like it or not, this was my first working set, not a warm up after all. Like I said, WOW!! I got 10 reps but just barely!!! Almost panicked was thinking about 1 ml of prop being afraid I'd waste away!! I haven't done that since I thought I'd wait to get your opinion on the subject. Like I said, I led the thing by a week and still felt like the rug was jerked out from under me. I'm wondering if this is cool or if you'd leave in say 400 mg of enth during future reloads, deload with prop or just do it like I have been? YOU'LL LOSE MORE STRENGTH ON DELOADS WHEN ONLY FAST ACTING ESTERS ARE USED DURING RELOADS. THAT'S ONE OF SEVERAL REASONS TO RUN A LONG ACTING TESTOSTERONE AS YOUR BASE IN ALL YOUR RELOADS. STILL YET, LOSING STRENGTH FOR A COUPLE OF WEEKS IS GOING TO GIVE YOUR JOINTS ALITTLE MORE BREAK FROM THE HEAVY LIFTING AND AT YOUR AGE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A BAD THING. ANOTHER OPTION WOULD BE TO DELOAD WITH PROP AS OPPOSED TO LONGER ACTING TEST ESTERS IF YOU WANT TO USE ONLY FAST ACTING ESTER DRUGS FOR RELOADS OR YOU CAN JUST ADD A BASE OF 4-500 MGS OF TEST-E WEEKLY DURING RELOADS AND KEEP THAT DOSAGE IN FOR THE DELOADS.QUOTE]ABOVE

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, this last cycle I was running MENT (Acetate), Masteron P, NPP. A week before my deload I started adding 200 mg Test E Mon. and Thurs. It's the first time I've done a reload with all fast esters like this one. Usually I have either test Enth, Cyp or Sust, as a base, or run Prop for my deload at 350-525 mg. Anyway, WOW!!! Unbelievable how my strength dropped during this last week!! I was squatting 462 lbs for 6 reps on my first working set last week for instance. This week I knew I would have to drop the weight and go for high reps. I was doing my second warm up set at 375 lbs when I realized that like it or not, this was my first working set, not a warm up after all. Like I said, WOW!! I got 10 reps but just barely!!! Almost panicked was thinking about 1 ml of prop being afraid I'd waste away!! I haven't done that since I thought I'd wait to get your opinion on the subject. Like I said, I led the thing by a week and still felt like the rug was jerked out from under me. I'm wondering if this is cool or if you'd leave in say 400 mg of enth during future reloads, deload with prop or just do it like I have been?

I answered this question previously but forgot to add that creatine is a great addition for 2 week deloads to help maintain strength!

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hi Ronnie, great thread, already on my 3rd time reading through it, you present info worth absorbing. And with all you've been through you are a real encouragement. I know you have answered this before, but mabye you can explain it to me so I understand it. I will be starting my 3rd reload in 2 weeks. I have used nothing but testosterone for the cycles. 1st one was 500mg, second 750mg, and for the 3rd it will be 1g. My question is can I continue to increase each time with test only, or is their a certain point where I should add another compound. You'll reach a point where another anabolic will have to be used if you are looking at maximal gains but if you are a recreational lifter you can get by with just using test.. I thought as long as you increase anabolics each reload you would continue to see results. You will up to a point. Most find that anything over 1.5 -2 grams of test weekly is a waste and the side effects become too much to handle. Thanks in advance for any answer!!

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