thanks vette, now i'll have to spend the next 3 month researching serms pro and cons, as far as a good physician is concerned- i saw the head of Andrology australia and he shot me down in flames, told me he thought i was depressed because "you look depressed" , i was wincing in pain from a herniated disc but he didnt want to hear it. In Australia there is no medical treatment for men- you have to self administer if you want an improvement





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