Lunk1 - Not taking it personal at all - I just thought it was a funny contradiction.
Shadowmaker - I won't deny that D-bol makes you feel great early in a cycle, giving you awesome pumps and fast gains in strength and size. But it's kind of an illusion, because all those great effects disappear so fast. I'd just as soon skip the sides of D-bol and run test on its own. I just chose do that a couple of week ago. I'm running Test and Deca, and was planning to take D-bol @ 40mg per day for the first six weeks, but after a week I dropped the D-bol. It gives me nasty breakouts on my face and back, and I get too damn bloated even with A-dex ed. But I still like the stuff - just not for me.