Alcohol and dbol

[dec11]

I plan on using Dbol as part of my next cycle. I am aware it is very harsh on the liver and it goes without saying I will be taking milk thistle and completely avoiding alcohol while on it. I only plan on running it for 3-4 weeks and then I will let the test. take over. My question is how long after using dbol should I wait be for I go out and have a couple drinks with my friends? And im not talking about going out and getting drunk because I know alcohol and body building do not mix.

dont suck in the broscience.

one or two once a week will not do you any harm at all. ive run drol/dbol cocktails and had still have had my usual 2 330ml bottles of leffe every Sat night. not one bit of harm, and i've had bloods to prove it (on trt).

obviously going out and getting wasted 2-3 times a week is a diff story but that in itself will wreck the liver. as will running stupid doses of orals, moderation = safe usage. orals are not half as sore on the liver as most hyped up BS would lead you to believe.

waste money on milk thistle if you like, but i havent used in for around 4yrs now, its unproven.

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dont suck in the broscience.

one or two once a week will not do you any harm at all. ive run drol/dbol cocktails and had still have had my usual 2 330ml bottles of leffe every Sat night. not one bit of harm, and i've had bloods to prove it (on trt).

obviously going out and getting wasted 2-3 times a week is a diff story but that in itself will wreck the liver. as will running stupid doses of orals, moderation = safe usage. orals are not half as sore on the liver as most hyped up BS would lead you to believe.

waste money on milk thistle if you like, but i havent used in for around 4yrs now, its unproven.

agree. almost. the drinking and the dbol will make your liver panels go up. It won't waste your liver right out the gate. but over time, if left unchecked, it could become a problem.

I personally use milk thistle, and there are sufficient studies out there verifiying that it is an effective liver protectant.

[dec11]

agree. almost. the drinking and the dbol will make your liver panels go up. It won't waste your liver right out the gate. but over time, if left unchecked, it could become a problem.

I personally use milk thistle, and there are sufficient studies out there verifiying that it is an effective liver protectant.

have you had bloods to verify? mine came back perfect and that was 5days after discontinuing 75mg drol and 35mg dbol.

liver values elevating and liver values elevating dangerously are too different things completely

another concern is that checks on a lot of milk thistle brands showed they contained very little of the active ingredient

any studies on steroids and milk thistle? i can only ever find anecdotal advice. i go on my bloods anyhow..........

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have you had bloods to verify? mine came back perfect and that was 5days after discontinuing 75mg drol and 35mg dbol.

liver values elevating and liver values elevating dangerously are too different things completely

another concern is that checks on a lot of milk thistle brands showed they contained very little of the active ingredient

any studies on steroids and milk thistle? i can only ever find anecdotal advice. i go on my bloods anyhow..........

yes, I've ran orals with and without milk thistle, and the milk thistle panels were in the low range.

I've posted links to studies and clinical data in other threads before. the only thing milk thistle really doesn't help is hep c.

when i purchase milk thistle, i DO NOT go to the health food stores. I get mine in bulk, one kilo at a time, and typically take a heaping 3 gram scoop each day. maybe the reason it doesn't work for some is that they are not taking sufficient quantites?

my personal opinion is that anytime I'm going to take an item, I always try to get it in bulk. I can see where some are taking a cap or two a day and not seeing the improvement they should be getting due to low dose.

[austinite]

yes, I've ran orals with and without milk thistle, and the milk thistle panels were in the low range.

I've posted links to studies and clinical data in other threads before. the only thing milk thistle really doesn't help is hep c.

when i purchase milk thistle, i DO NOT go to the health food stores. I get mine in bulk, one kilo at a time, and typically take a heaping 3 gram scoop each day. maybe the reason it doesn't work for some is that they are not taking sufficient quantites?

my personal opinion is that anytime I'm going to take an item, I always try to get it in bulk. I can see where some are taking a cap or two a day and not seeing the improvement they should be getting due to low dose.

teach me how to be thrifty!

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teach me how to be thrifty!

PM me what you are looking for, and then I'll let you know where I get it.

[Times Roman]

have you had bloods to verify? mine came back perfect and that was 5days after discontinuing 75mg drol and 35mg dbol.

liver values elevating and liver values elevating dangerously are too different things completely

another concern is that checks on a lot of milk thistle brands showed they contained very little of the active ingredient

any studies on steroids and milk thistle? i can only ever find anecdotal advice. i go on my bloods anyhow..........

here's the other thought i had dec.

it's an analogy, but i think the correlation fits.

I knew a guy that was a heavy drinker, and had cirrhosis of the liver by the time he was 45. Now I've got anther "friend", well, more like my womans uncle. anyways, he's been a heavy heavy drinker all his life, every day, since he was a teenager. he's early 80's now, and still drinks.

How is it one bloke gets cirrhosis early, and another bloke that drinks much more, for many more years, gets a free pass?

Dec, I think alot of it might have to do with genetics. If you can do orals and no changes to your liver panels, then count yourself as one of the blessed.

[dec11]

here's the other thought i had dec.

it's an analogy, but i think the correlation fits.

I knew a guy that was a heavy drinker, and had cirrhosis of the liver by the time he was 45. Now I've got anther "friend", well, more like my womans uncle. anyways, he's been a heavy heavy drinker all his life, every day, since he was a teenager. he's early 80's now, and still drinks.

How is it one bloke gets cirrhosis early, and another bloke that drinks much more, for many more years, gets a free pass?

Dec, I think alot of it might have to do with genetics. If you can do orals and no changes to your liver panels, then count yourself as one of the blessed.

im sorry mate, but we are just going to disagree on this. if someone has something underlying then milk thistle wont help them. orals are way way overblown as far as toxicity is concerned. the medical community is undecided on what if anything milk thistle does. there is no evidence at all of it protecting against oral steroids. i really dont think functioning livers are necessarily genetic dependant, thats just a wild statement. also, livers repair and regenerated themselves so i doubt any one person is 'blessed'.

how do you know something is legit just by buying in bulk?!

[kmms]

here's the other thought i had dec.

it's an analogy, but i think the correlation fits.

I knew a guy that was a heavy drinker, and had cirrhosis of the liver by the time he was 45. Now I've got anther "friend", well, more like my womans uncle. anyways, he's been a heavy heavy drinker all his life, every day, since he was a teenager. he's early 80's now, and still drinks.

How is it one bloke gets cirrhosis early, and another bloke that drinks much more, for many more years, gets a free pass?

Dec, I think alot of it might have to do with genetics. If you can do orals and no changes to your liver panels, then count yourself as one of the blessed.

a friend of mine here just died recently. he was mid to late 60's and a heavy drinker for his entire adult life. he didn't drink coffee in the morning, he drank whiskey or vodka or anything else with alcohol. in the years i knew him, i don't recall ever seeing him drink anything that didn't contain alcohol. i think he probably drank more in the 5 years i knew him than i've had in my entire life. crazy. his eyes weren't white anymore, they were yellow. he couldn't write anything without help as his hands shook too much. he could neither drive a motorbike or a car, not just because he was always drunk but physically, just couldn't do it. i'm not sure how he managed to keep that going for the 5 years i knew him but he did and i don't think he was blessed. the liver is an amazing piece of work. /ramble