For starters....

[Metalject]

Also as metalject suggested above to perhaps use anavar as an oral on first cycle. This is even more so different to test than Dbol is and could cause acne.. Only reason I'm saying this is because I have seen it happen.

You're right, Anavar is not as closely related to testosterone. But it's an even milder compound than Dianabol. Think about it, estrogenic side effects are impossible with this steroid. Androgenic side effects like acne are possible but there are important things to remember. For starters, androgenic side effects are strongly tied to individual predispositions. For example, even with a large amount of related activity from any steroid I won't have any problems with acne, I'm not genetically predisposed, while other guys could have a breakout from just a low level of related activity due to sensitivity. Secondly, when dealing specifically with Anavar we're dealing with a steroid with again very low androgenicity...there's zero interaction with the 5AR.

[boxa06]

You're right, Anavar is not as closely related to testosterone. But it's an even milder compound than Dianabol. Think about it, estrogenic side effects are impossible with this steroid. Androgenic side effects like acne are possible but there are important things to remember. For starters, androgenic side effects are strongly tied to individual predispositions. For example, even with a large amount of related activity from any steroid I won't have any problems with acne, I'm not genetically predisposed, while other guys could have a breakout from just a low level of related activity due to sensitivity. Secondly, when dealing specifically with Anavar we're dealing with a steroid with again very low androgenicity...there's zero interaction with the 5AR.

I know what you're trying to say but you're looking from a theoretical point of view where as I'm taking a practical point of view and have seen both Dbol and Anavar give someone acne but he is completely fine with a test only cycle.

[Metalject]

I know what you're trying to say but you're looking from a theoretical point of view where as I'm taking a practical point of view and have seen both Dbol and Anavar give someone acne but he is completely fine with a test only cycle.

Sure, there's nothing wrong with a test only cycle. I was simply saying I don't see the harm in adding one of those other compounds.

And yes, you're right, acne is possible with Dbol or Anavar...it's possible on some level with most all steroids but in the end it boils down to the individual's genetic predisposition and the relative androgenicity in relation to the 5-alpha reductase enzyme. The latter doesn't change regardless of the person using the steroid.

Final note, if someone is using test with either Anavar or Dbol, if acne is an issue it's likely the high levels of testosterone causing it. If Anavar or Dbol are being used alone, yes acne is possible but it should be unlikely for most people.

[Lunk1]

Sure, there's nothing wrong with a test only cycle. I was simply saying I don't see the harm in adding one of those other compounds.

And yes, you're right, acne is possible with Dbol or Anavar...it's possible on some level with most all steroids but in the end it boils down to the individual's genetic predisposition and the relative androgenicity in relation to the 5-alpha reductase enzyme. The latter doesn't change regardless of the person using the steroid.

Final note, if someone is using test with either Anavar or Dbol, if acne is an issue it's likely the high levels of testosterone causing it. If Anavar or Dbol are being used alone, yes acne is possible but it should be unlikely for most people.

Why would you say it's high levels of test causing acne???

[Metalject]

Why would you say it's high levels of test causing acne???

Testosterone is highly androgenic due to its reduction to DHT, which directly enhances the response in the target tissue of the skin. This is all due to the hormone being metabolized by the 5AR. Anavar is not metabolized by the 5AR and Dbol only is in trace amounts. Further, both carry very low levels of androgenic action to begin with, particularly Anavar and the androgenic activity of a steroid is the primary cause of acne.

I'm not saying high levels of testosterone will cause acne...again, it's all individualistic to a degree. The most test I've ever used was 1750/wk and 1000mg/wk+ numerous times without any acne. I'm not acne sensitive. Again, individual sensitivity and predispositions plays a huge role.