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    1.) there is no drug that is a cutter or a bulker, your diet controls this.

    2.) You dont want to share info about yourself so its really impossible for anyone to help you if they dont know your complete stats.

    3.) u say your diet is dialed in? then im confused what u are trying to ask or learn.

    4.) cardio 6 days a week isnt going to magicly help you shred body fat. Not when you are eating at a surplus. and not when you havent replaced the calories you are using. 2 hours a week, 3x 40 mins should be plenty to aid in recovery, increase appeitite and help stay in shape. Again if your diet isnt dialed in, nothing you do will work 110%

    5.) posy pictures, all your stats, your diet, your macros and work out routine and im sure people will coem in here and give you solid advice.

    6.) again, bulk, cut or slow body recomp. choose one. You will have lean muscle mass loss when losing fat, up to 25% and even higher.. yes being anabolic can help with this. But when trying to lose body fat "IF" ur strength is not at very least staying the same or still progressing forward but instead there is loss of strength this is a indication of rapid loss of LBM. You gain fat and muscle and you lose fat and muscle. All of this changes if you have reached yor genetic limit natural before using the drugs. Unless you are pinning Everyday, even with longer half lifes yoru hormones are not 100% stable and our hormones play a huge role in our diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mockery View Post
    1.) there is no drug that is a cutter or a bulker, your diet controls this. i agree but i do associate characteristics of a certain drug to the goal wanting to be achieved.

    2.) You dont want to share info about yourself so its really impossible for anyone to help you if they dont know your complete stats.

    lol ok man i havent hid anything about me, i have been a long time member to this site , i have gave my stats and did not hide one thing. its an open forum and my diet /pics and all other stats are all over, i am anabolic and dont mind sharing what I am using I just didnt want it to become the topic.

    3.) u say your diet is dialed in? then im confused what u are trying to ask or learn. i am asking the harm of a substance, the difference n white vs brown rice , if 1 processed food is hindering my movemnt forward, and also if there is a faster way to do what you called a " lean body composition" I just worded it wrong I guess ( not being a smartass thats my bad

    4.) cardio 6 days a week isnt going to magicly help you shred body fat. Not when you are eating at a surplus. and not when you havent replaced the calories you are using. 2 hours a week, 3x 40 mins should be plenty to aid in recovery, increase appeitite and help stay in shape. Again if your diet isnt dialed in, nothing you do will work 110% i am not triying to shred fat or cut I am trying to add lean body mass I am asking if keeping closer to my tdee will be better for this or is the only way to gain is full out bulk? i found my answer from 405 for the new calorie number and macro split for my goal

    5.) posy pictures, all your stats, your diet, your macros and work out routine and im sure people will come in here and give you solid advice.Goal,

    Gain LBM, swap out a few fat lbs for lean lbs, not expecting huge weight gains due to the calorie intake

    I revamped my diet slightly to get closer to where I wasnt to be, Im sub about 200 cals from my tdee as I dont want a full out cutter and still would like enough cals to support current tissue and able to build more if need be.

    Please critique

    Macro split 40/40/20 ( tried to get that close to in each meal but in the end its pretty close)

    It comes out to a little over 2,800 but daily i sneak in a few extra cals pretty easy with supps and and flax

    7:00 serving protein carbs fat CALS
    22g whey 1 22g(88c) 14g(56c) 5g(50c) 200
    egg wo/ yolk 44g16c ea(64c) 0 .5g( 4c) 100
    oats 1/4c 5g(20c) 27g(108c) 3g(27c) 150
    fruit 1/4c (4 cal) 4g (12cal)
    flax 2tab
    TOTAL 176 176 81 500

    9:15
    99% ff G. Turkey 6oz 39g(156c) 0 3g(27c) 188
    white rice 1 cup 4g(16c) 40g(160c) 3g(25c) 200
    greens 1/2 cup 2g(8c) 5g(20c) 25
    TOTAL 180 180 52 413

    11:45
    chicken breast 6 oz 34.5g(138c) 3.8g(33) 192
    sweet potato med/L 2g(8c) 33g(132c) 140
    TOTAL 146 132 33 332

    2:30
    22g whey 1.5 33(132C) 21g(84c) 7.5g(67.5c) 300
    egg wo/ yolk 44g16c ea(64c) .5g( 4c) 100
    flax 2tab
    whole wheat bagl 1/2 5g(20c) 27g(108) 15.g(13c) 140
    TOTAL 216 192 83 565

    during workout
    BCAA 5g
    GLUTAMINE 5G

    post workout
    22g whey 1.5 33(132C) 21g(84c) 7.5g(67.5c) 300
    BCAA 5g
    fruit 1/4c (4 cal) 4g (12cal) 25
    TOTAL 136 96 67.5 325

    1 hour after
    chicken breast 6oz 34.5g(138c) 3.8g(33) 192
    green 1/2 cup 2g(8c) 5g(20c) 25
    whole wheat bagl 1/2 5g(20c) 27g(108) 15.g(13c) 140
    TOTAL 166 128 33 357

    before bed
    egg wo/ yolk 4 4g16c ea(64c) 0 .5g( 4c) 100
    FF cottage cheese 1/4 cup 8g(32c) 2.5g(10c) .3(3cals) 38
    Natural PB 2tb 8g(32c) 6g(24c) 16g(144) 190
    TOTAL 128 34 151 328

    287G /1148C 234.5G/938C 55G/500C 2,820


    6.) again, bulk, cut or slow body recomp. choose one. You will have lean muscle mass loss when losing fat, up to 25% and even higher.. yes being anabolic can help with this. But when trying to lose body fat "IF" ur strength is not at very least staying the same or still progressing forward but instead there is loss of strength this is a indication of rapid loss of LBM. You gain fat and muscle and you lose fat and muscle. All of this changes if you have reached yor genetic limit natural before using the drugs. Unless you are pinning Everyday, even with longer half lifes yoru hormones are not 100% stable and our hormones play a huge role in our diet.

    im guessing you have to get by with these drinks cause your diet and hormones are out of wack. So it goes back to your drugs and or diet and lifestyle that makes it hard for you to function with out them.no man geez your way off where do you come up with this? my hormones are out of wack? Dude i get blood work done and keep in check, also my lifestyle is an avid lifter/athlete im not a hack who puts in 2-3 days effort or just started lifting a year ago and expect the world for results, I been at this 7 years plus and like most of us I still do not have all the answers.. I enjoy something just like one would a beer or a certain food. your kinda just bashing things bro..

    I just dont accept the fact your view I can not simply add lean mass, main question was how close to my tdee would make me still able to do this. add lean weight inturn lower bf% yes i may gain a lil fat as well just attempting to not sloppy bulk bro
    Last edited by largerthannormal; 10-30-2012 at 11:39 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by largerthannormal View Post
    im guessing you have to get by with these drinks cause your diet and hormones are out of wack. So it goes back to your drugs and or diet and lifestyle that makes it hard for you to function with out them.no man geez your way off where do you come up with this? my hormones are out of wack? Dude i get blood work done and keep in check, also my lifestyle is an avid lifter/athlete im not a hack who puts in 2-3 days effort or just started lifting a year ago and expect the world for results, I been at this 7 years plus and like most of us I still do not have all the answers.. I enjoy something just like one would a beer or a certain food. your kinda just bashing things bro..

    I just dont accept the fact your view I can not simply add lean mass, main question was how close to my tdee would make me still able to do this. add lean weight inturn lower bf% yes i may gain a lil fat as well just attempting to not sloppy bulk bro
    If you need these energy drinks to get through your day, your hormones are off. take it as a personal attack i don't care.. but this is a tell tail sign something isn't right. you shouldnt need these drinks if your diet and lifestyle are normal.

    Gaining lean mass takes a long period of time. Too long for most people to even stick with it. No one will know the answer you are looking for. you have to eat and see what makes you grow and or doesn't make you grow. Everyone is different. Clean your diet up , drop half your protein shakes and energy drinks eat whole real food and start from scratch. with out your accurate bf% and ur "RMR" NOT "BMR" u cant be really sure of anything. Im telling you things and its not want you wanna hear so u puff your chest out.

    You are anabolic on who knows what so really you can sit on teh couch and play world of Warcraft all day and gain lean mass , "IF" ur diet is CLEAN. diet diet diet diet diet diet,

    You can

    a.) BULK, surplus of calories to grow

    b.) CUT, deficiet of calories to lose weight , fat and muscle.

    c.) Do a long progressive body re-comp where over time the transition of fat and muscle change. You don't go by weight, u take pictures every day ( like frank zane did) and look at the progress via the mirror, you can take measurements but this can also mess with your head much like scales do.

    d.) u can find your true maintenance , eat at that and maintain your gains from teh past 7 years with minimal training and food.

    I know first hand i can be on a shit ton of gear but if i eat at maintenance or below i don't grow. the second i start going 50 calories over maintenance i blow up in the mirror the next day. Gaining muscle comes with fat as simple as 50/50% , u can minimize fat loss VIA a CLEAN DIET . Everyone asks for help and claim they eat good. 6 shakes a day and using sugar free and calorie free dressings dont fit the bill.

    THe question gets asked everyday " how to do a lean mass bulk. " , eat clean and dont go above 5% of your goal weight, but as Lyle McDonald has said 10000000000000000000000000 over the past 9 years , you dont just grown muscle and have fat magically fall off and get replaced with the muscle. If this was possible everyone in teh gym would be walking around year round at 4% bodyfat , jacked! U need to first learn the necessary stimulus for muscle growth, calories in and calories out. Then genetics, if you dont have them, then just be happy with who and what you are.

    how are you going to carry on this quest for lean muscle mass when you go into pct and 2-3 months after pct? whats your diet plan for those 4 months, how is it set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mockery View Post
    If you need these energy drinks to get through your day, your hormones are off. take it as a personal attack i don't care.. but this is a tell tail sign something isn't right. you shouldnt need these drinks if your diet and lifestyle are normal. I have 1 in AM as ive done even bofore i started messing with anobolics it became an acquired taste not and chemical addiction as if it were i could just take caffien supps.

    as for lifestle I have 3 kids to take care and gym 2 hours per day and a normal 8 hour workday and do not own video games or even a computer at the house, i think i do rather well.


    Gaining lean mass takes a long period of time. Too long for most people to even stick with it. No one will know the answer you are looking for. you have to eat and see what makes you grow and or doesn't make you grow. Everyone is different. Clean your diet up , drop half your protein shakes and energy drinks eat whole real food and start from scratch. with out your accurate bf% and ur "RMR" NOT "BMR" u cant be really sure of anything. Im telling you things and its not want you wanna hear so u puff your chest out. been sticking with it for 7 years...if you seen wher I came from and what i was i would put myself in the top 5 people on this site for transformation but am too embarrsed to even share the before photos. not here to puff my chest out man if i was i would kick myself off the site for not taking others advice, i hear ya on the enegery drinks and thats what i wanted to hear from others how bad it was to maybe help me find a reason to stop them.

    You are anabolic on who knows what so really you can sit on teh couch and play world of Warcraft all day and gain lean mass , "IF" ur diet is CLEAN. diet diet diet diet diet diet,
    posted my diet

    You can

    a.) BULK, surplus of calories to grow

    b.) CUT, deficiet of calories to lose weight , fat and muscle.

    c.) Do a long progressive body re-comp where over time the transition of fat and muscle change. You don't go by weight, u take pictures every day ( like frank zane did) and look at the progress via the mirror, you can take measurements but this can also mess with your head much like scales do.

    d.) u can find your true maintenance , eat at that and maintain your gains from teh past 7 years with minimal training and food.

    I know first hand i can be on a shit ton of gear but if i eat at maintenance or below i don't grow. the second i start going 50 calories over maintenance i blow up in the mirror the next day. Gaining muscle comes with fat as simple as 50/50% , u can minimize fat loss VIA a CLEAN DIET . Everyone asks for help and claim they eat good. 6 shakes a day and using sugar free and calorie free dressings dont fit the bill. i am the same way was mainly looking how far to be over to make gains lean..

    THe question gets asked everyday " how to do a lean mass bulk. " , eat clean and dont go above 5% of your goal weight, but as Lyle McDonald has said 10000000000000000000000000 over the past 9 years , you dont just grown muscle and have fat magically fall off and get replaced with the muscle. If this was possible everyone in teh gym would be walking around year round at 4% bodyfat , jacked! U need to first learn the necessary stimulus for muscle growth, calories in and calories out. Then genetics, if you dont have them, then just be happy with who and what you are.my genetics are that of a fat person

    how are you going to carry on this quest for lean muscle mass when you go into pct and 2-3 months after pct? whats your diet plan for those 4 months, how is it set up.
    i have a very well thought out pct with help of a fellow member swifto who helps me though every pct .. along side of this I am bridging with a few peptides. if this is necessary to know?

    cmon man.. not trying to be a jerk but i dont have the puffy chest syndrome.. main goals you are going way around and picking on one thing....

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