Another building on only Anivar thread.

[Back In Black]

Why take anything at all. You weigh 178lbs at 6'. Regardless of your bodyfat that really shouldn't make anyone start to question if you are using or not.

Why not just modify your diet and eat more to gain< you should be able to put on another 15-20lbs without major problems. You'll gain nothing, AAS or not, if you don't eat more.

Oh, and big fifference between 7% and 10% bodyfat!

[backcountryrider]

Why take anything at all. You weigh 178lbs at 6'. Regardless of your bodyfat that really shouldn't make anyone start to question if you are using or not.

Why not just modify your diet and eat more to gain< you should be able to put on another 15-20lbs without major problems. You'll gain nothing, AAS or not, if you don't eat more.

Oh, and big fifference between 7% and 10% bodyfat!

Not sure exactly on % BF but It's low, I don't really care to have my BF lower than it is now, perfectly happy with that. Yes I know I can naturally gain another 20 lbs in the next two or three years perhaps, I would like to gain more however my concern is that I don't want it to be apparent that I'm taking AAS. (wondering if it would be apparent to someone, Test cycle vs Anavar cycle).

[Back In Black]

Not sure exactly on % BF but It's low, I don't really care to have my BF lower than it is now, perfectly happy with that. Yes I know I can naturally gain another 20 lbs in the next two or three years perhaps, I would like to gain more however my concern is that I don't want it to be apparent that I'm taking AAS. (wondering if it would be apparent to someone, Test cycle vs Anavar cycle).

It's an irrelevant 'wondering' if your diet isn't on point. That's what I was saying. If your diet is only enough to maintain your weight then no compound will help you gain. At 178 you are unlikely anywhere near your natural limit. And I'd suggest you learn how to diet to bulk before considering any type of cycle.

[ma_fighter]

It's an irrelevant 'wondering' if your diet isn't on point. That's what I was saying. If your diet is only enough to maintain your weight then no compound will help you gain. At 178 you are unlikely anywhere near your natural limit. And I'd suggest you learn how to diet to bulk before considering any type of cycle.

This^^

You say you've been GAINING weight over the last two years, but still you're sitting at 7-10%bf???!!
...You're not eating enough, really, you're not.

Think of it this way:
If you're building a house, and have only got a small workforce of 5 guys, who's not very good (Untrained individual, who do not lift weights), and are only able to lay 1 brick each an hour (bricks here being an analogy for Proteins). Then you'll get away with only giving 'em 40 bricks a day, and that'll work out fine.

Now, you decide things are going to slowly, and recruit another 10 guys (start working out), they still only lay a brick an hour each, but now there's three times as many of them, so they'll need 120 bricks a day. Fine, no problems so far.

But THEN you decide that things need to move along even faster! (taking any kind of AAS) You get a foreman to stop those lazy workers from sitting around, and increase the work-efficiency massively, now they're laying 5 bricks each an hour, which means they'll need 700 bricks a day! If you're still only giving 'em 140 bricks, how do you expect things to move along faster? That foreman (AAS) is just a friggin waste!

In your case I'd say that even though you probably have enough protein to *potentially* build new muscles, you're not eating enough KCALS to allow that protein to do so. A lot of it will be WASTED as fuel instead of utilized for sustaining present tissue as well as building new.



List what you eat in a day here, including all the macros (proteins, fats, carbs) and be honest, there are a couple of people here who're really good with nutrition, because that's what you need right now, not steroids.
/Maf

[human project]

This^^

You say you've been GAINING weight over the last two years, but still you're sitting at 7-10%bf???!!
...You're not eating enough, really, you're not.

Think of it this way:
If you're building a house, and have only got a small workforce of 5 guys, who's not very good (Untrained individual, who do not lift weights), and are only able to lay 1 brick each an hour (bricks here being an analogy for Proteins). Then you'll get away with only giving 'em 40 bricks a day, and that'll work out fine.

Now, you decide things are going to slowly, and recruit another 10 guys (start working out), they still only lay a brick an hour each, but now there's three times as many of them, so they'll need 120 bricks a day. Fine, no problems so far.

But THEN you decide that things need to move along even faster! (taking any kind of AAS) You get a foreman to stop those lazy workers from sitting around, and increase the work-efficiency massively, now they're laying 5 bricks each an hour, which means they'll need 700 bricks a day! If you're still only giving 'em 140 bricks, how do you expect things to move along faster? That foreman (AAS) is just a friggin waste!

In your case I'd say that even though you probably have enough protein to *potentially* build new muscles, you're not eating enough KCALS to allow that protein to do so. A lot of it will be WASTED as fuel instead of utilized for sustaining present tissue as well as building new.

List what you eat in a day here, including all the macros (proteins, fats, carbs) and be honest, there are a couple of people here who're really good with nutrition, because that's what you need right now, not steroids.
/Maf

This sounds like the hulk talking

[human project]

Not sure exactly on % BF but It's low, I don't really care to have my BF lower than it is now, perfectly happy with that. Yes I know I can naturally gain another 20 lbs in the next two or three years perhaps, I would like to gain more however my concern is that I don't want it to be apparent that I'm taking AAS. (wondering if it would be apparent to someone, Test cycle vs Anavar cycle).

No steroid is ever going to give you a real different look..... Especially if your not sub 3%bf..... Steroids are steroids take em.... If you wanna cut do cardio if you wanna bulk EAT!!!!! Don't let your estrogen get out of whack.... Keep an eye on water retention especially in your face. "pix's are the only way IMO" those are the dead give always for roids

[555mjolnir]

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[jwws9999]

Huh? That's curious because it sounds like you want to get big but your scared to and your only 178 lbs to start (not big ) you can get big with diet you just want a short cut but don't want people thinking you cheated it that simple. So I say put in the freak'in work and BUILD it like everyone else has to in order to keep it. Roids aren't gonna make you big and keep you big.[/B] The price of admission is Blood, Sweat, and Tears so quit your crying and put in the sweat equity in the gym and do a little leg work yourself all this information is stated over and over in this forum not one thing in this thread is new get you foundation down this means nutrition, exercise,technique and rest.[B]If you wanna look like the incredible hulk put in incredible effort like the rest of us!!! No way are you gonna do a single cycle and have every person come up to and be like "Man your so Freaking huge man is it the roids are you on the Juice?" Common Man up do the work all of it diet included. my .02 hope I didn't harsh your mellow, I just spend like 3 hrs a day in the gym lifting and doing cardio and get ticked when people think they can just pin their way to a kick ass body either way you still gotta push the iron and it ain't easy or everyone would look like JAY CUTLER OR ARNOLD OR YOU PICK, they worked their asses off I do to so does every other guy that wants this lifestyle. Sorry for this guys but you all have pic's of what it takes so I am using your examples : Do you think Stem or MusclesINK or MA fighter or Human Project don't put in the work to look like that??? Common don't dis them! Sorry end of rant.

I disagree, running a cycle plus diet and exercise will put on more weight faster and increase size faster than just diet and lifting

[555mjolnir]

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[backcountryrider]

Huh? That's curious because it sounds like you want to get big but your scared to and your only 178 lbs to start (not big ) you can get big with diet you just want a short cut but don't want people thinking you cheated it that simple. So I say put in the freak'in work and BUILD it like everyone else has to in order to keep it. Roids aren't gonna make you big and keep you big.[/B] The price of admission is Blood, Sweat, and Tears so quit your crying and put in the sweat equity in the gym and do a little leg work yourself all this information is stated over and over in this forum not one thing in this thread is new get you foundation down this means nutrition, exercise,technique and rest.[B]If you wanna look like the incredible hulk put in incredible effort like the rest of us!!! No way are you gonna do a single cycle and have every person come up to and be like "Man your so Freaking huge man is it the roids are you on the Juice?" Common Man up do the work all of it diet included. my .02 hope I didn't harsh your mellow, I just spend like 3 hrs a day in the gym lifting and doing cardio and get ticked when people think they can just pin their way to a kick ass body either way you still gotta push the iron and it ain't easy or everyone would look like JAY CUTLER OR ARNOLD OR YOU PICK, they worked their asses off I do to so does every other guy that wants this lifestyle. Sorry for this guys but you all have pic's of what it takes so I am using your examples : Do you think Stem or MusclesINK or MA fighter or Human Project don't put in the work to look like that??? Common don't dis them! Sorry end of rant.

If you read the complete thread including the post title starting from your rant and up to the top, you might realize that your rant doesn't even fit in this thread at all. It has nothing to do with the point, no grounds to back your assumptions Further more, it's grossly hypocritical and kind of sounds like something i would have wrote when I was 13.

[backcountryrider]

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[backcountryrider]

That's a good read in the link above, thanks. Of course Anavar is not mild.

[human project]

Why take anything at all. You weigh 178lbs at 6'. Regardless of your bodyfat that really shouldn't make anyone start to question if you are using or not.

Why not just modify your diet and eat more to gain< you should be able to put on another 15-20lbs without major problems. You'll gain nothing, AAS or not, if you don't eat more.

Oh, and big fifference between 7% and 10% bodyfat!

Stems right 7-10% is a huge frekin window bud. That's a month of hard dieting for me. And ya 178lbs and 6....... Sorry to bring my stats into this bc I'm straight up juiced outta my mind bud but my stats had me larger then that in 7th grade.