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    Quote Originally Posted by smeeto View Post
    If you wouldn't combine both, what do you think about carb cycling and IF? After only two days of IF i already really like it so i would like to keep it in the picture.
    Pretty much what I did the last time I ran IF. Carbs on workout days, low/no carbs on non-workout days. Nice and simple.

    Quote Originally Posted by smeeto View Post
    If i were to do car cycling and IF would the 600 deficit still be fine?
    Maybe. But since you're carb cycling, it'd be impossible to maintain the same 600 calorie deficit every day. Your calories should change as carbs are raised/lowered.

    Quote Originally Posted by smeeto View Post
    Like i said, i was seeing results with carb cycling just not quite as fast as i would like, so i looked to keto. If it really will break down that much muscle, then I'm willing to draw out the cut a little longer and slower. The hardest part of cutting for me is just figuring out exactly what to do.
    You may not experience muscle breakdown to a great extent, who knows. I just wouldn't be willing to chance it. Too much damn work gets put into building muscle just to piss it away in an effort to see fast results. Remember that a cut should be a slow, steady process. I was losing 1lb a week on average after I had my diet dialed in, and was perfectly happy with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by smeeto View Post
    The carb cycling that i was doing was 1 day of no carbs, 4 days low (10%) carbs, and 2 days of re-feed. I posted a threat a little while back going into complete detail on it, I made the modifications that you recommended then, such as decreasing my fats/ increasing protien and basing my workout around my carb consumption per day.
    And I was ok with you have 1 no carb day, 4 days of 10% total calories from carbs (which is essentially still no carbs), and then 2 refeed days?!? Can you link that thread? Sorry, I don't like that plan at all today, and doubt I did then. If anything, I may have misunderstood. With 5 days having carbs that low, you were already in a quasi-keto diet. 2 refeed days - of course you're not seeing results fast enough - it's overkill! 1 day is plenty to restore glycogen. Anything more and you risk 'spillover' into fat cells.

    Quote Originally Posted by smeeto View Post
    When i said ~200 on re-feed days i meant about 200 over maintenance, my bad for not being clear.
    Ok, good, noted.

    Quote Originally Posted by smeeto View Post
    I was going to do the carb cycle plan that you gave to me on that thread actually before i decided in IF keto, but if thats a bad idea then how would the carb cycle that you gave to me then do with IF? Here is what you said was your last cycle:
    Monday - moderate carb day - 275g protein, 105g carbs, 45g fat - heavy workout day, big muscle groups + cardio

    Tuesday - moderate carb day - 275g protein, 105g carbs, 45g fat - heavy workout day, big muscle groups + cardio

    Wednesday - moderate carb day - 275g protein, 105g carbs, 45g fat - light workout day, isolation work, abs, etc + cardio

    Thursday - no carb day (fibrous veggies only) - 275g protein, 50g carbs (via fibrous veggies), 45g fat - depletion type workout - cardio intensive, high volume, high rep + cardio

    Friday - no carb day (fibrous veggies only) - 275g protein, 50g carbs (via fibrous veggies), 45g fat - total body depletive workout, cardio intensive, high volume, high rep + cardio

    Saturday - no carb day (fibrous veggies only) - 275g protein, 50g carbs (via fibrous veggies), 45g fat - extended cardio (usually 1 hour)

    Sunday - high carb day - 275g protein, 250g carbs, 45g fat - Complete rest day, no training or cardio
    Big difference from what you were doing, wouldn't you say?

    Obviously, I like my carb cycle. It worked well for me, and in fact I'll be starting this exact plan (slightly modified macros to reflect changes in body composition) in 2.5 weeks. Just remember that you would need to change the macros/calories to tailor to your stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post

    Obviously, I like my carb cycle. It worked well for me, and in fact I'll be starting this exact plan (slightly modified macros to reflect changes in body composition) in 2.5 weeks. Just remember that you would need to change the macros/calories to tailor to your stats.
    So if I were to switch my carb cycle plan to something similar to yours, would IF fit into it or should i scrap that?
    Last edited by smeeto; 02-20-2013 at 02:09 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeeto View Post
    So if I were to switch my carb cycle plan so something similar to yours, would IF fit into it or should i scrap that?
    I always build my carb cycle around my training regimen. If my carb cycle compliments your routine, then sure - incorporate it with IF.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post

    Big difference from what you were doing, wouldn't you say?

    Obviously, I like my carb cycle. It worked well for me, and in fact I'll be starting this exact plan (slightly modified macros to reflect changes in body composition) in 2.5 weeks. Just remember that you would need to change the macros/calories to tailor to your stats.
    My only question regarding your plan is what exactly do you mean when you say "depletion type workout?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by smeeto View Post
    My only question regarding your plan is what exactly do you mean when you say "depletion type workout?"
    Workouts whose sole purpose is to deplete glycogen stores (vs. building muscle, etc)

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbrice75 View Post
    Workouts whose sole purpose is to deplete glycogen stores (vs. building muscle, etc)
    Ah, thanks for clarifying, as well as for all the help. Starting this almost letter for letter tomorrow, I'll update with results in awhile.

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