Most Common Beginners Cycles - Look here..

[Provita]

Mickey, just picked up something:

"PCT Begins wk 15 to wk 19" In option 1. Thats 5 weeks.

" PCT Begins wk 13 to wk 17". In option 2. Thats also 5 weeks.

[MickeyKnox]

Mickey, just picked up something:

"PCT Begins wk 15 to wk 19" In option 1. Thats 5 weeks.

" PCT Begins wk 13 to wk 17". In option 2. Thats also 5 weeks.

That's wk 15 TO wk 19..not including wk 19. You read it wrong.

[Provita]

That's wk 15 TO wk 19..not including wk 19. You read it wrong.

O.k. But then option 3 should read the same way. Not wk9 to wk 12. That would only be 3 weeks then...

[MickeyKnox]

O.k. But then option 3 should read the same way. Not wk9 to wk 12. That would only be 3 weeks then...

Youre right.

Thanks for pointing that out. Ill fix it asap.

[Provita]

Youre right.

Thanks for pointing that out. Ill fix it asap.

Glad I could help!!!!


Its funny. Read it like a hundred times, and its the first time I see it.

[MickeyKnox]

Glad I could help!!!!

Wiseguy. lol

[Provita]

Wiseguy. lol

Lol... Now please :-)

[RaginCajun]

bump!

cuz i haven't cycled in a while but looking to shortly

i need to do my homework again

[AliYousaf]

I would not recommend Clen, T3, or Albuterol on your first cycle. Keep it as simple as possible.

Your diet will reflect your water retention and bloat. This is controlled in the kitchen, not with a pill or Thermo. Later on you can add a thermogenic if you like but not this time Ali.

Do not include Winstrol either. And FTR, Winstrol Depot and "Winny" are the same thing. Winny is just a nickname like Var is to Anavar and Adex is to Arimidex.

Ok got it Mickey.. Means I can do Celen and T3 after I am done with my first cycle and PCT. Ok..
And I thought Winstrol Depot was injectable. And Wnny ( the Winstrol) was oral. Thanks for the clarification bro.. Much appreciated.

Sent from my iPhone.

[MickeyKnox]

Hey Mickey! One serious question.. Can T3 and Clen or either of them be use with AAS first a cycle like Test-E and DBol.
I am all set to start my cycle Just waiting for BA water to arrive.
I cannot afford to have any kind of bloated and balloon like face and body anytime of the year. It's about the job. So I thought may be I could use T3 and Clen which I have already on hand. I can also get winstrol Depot but not Var or Winny.. So what do you say how to do this cycle ?

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Ok got it Mickey.. Means I can do Celen and T3 after I am done with my first cycle and PCT. Ok..
And I thought Winstrol Depot was injectable. And Wnny ( the Winstrol) was oral. Thanks for the clarification bro.. Much appreciated.

Sent from my iPhone.

Thats correct, but you didn't type Winstrol, you typed "Winny" (see above post). "Winny" is slang for either.

[hell911]

Option 3. Short Ester
Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 150mg eod.

so Test Propionate and Test Enanthate is not same?

[MickeyKnox]

Option 3. Short Ester
Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 150mg eod.

so Test Propionate and Test Enanthate is not same?

No. Those are different esters.

*Esters and Half Life Of Steroids - Oral and Depot*

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=#.UUxgJTcUX0E

[hell911]

^
i mean, when i go for the 1st cycle and chose option 3, i need to follow what is written, i really need to use Test Propionate and NOT Test E.

correct?

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what is the meaning of "iu" , i checked the topic of abbreviations, this word is not in the list.

[MickeyKnox]

^
i mean, when i go for the 1st cycle and chose option 3, i need to follow what is written, i really need to use Test Propionate and NOT Test E.

correct?

Oh, yes that's correct because the length of cycle and PCT is based upon that particular ester. If you want to use a longer ester like Enanthate or Cypionate, simply choose a different cycle.

[Drops]

Mickey, when you take out your HCG from freezer do you just let it thaw and then inject? Seems like a stupid question, but isn't HCG pretty unstable and sensitive to shock, light etc? Anything I need to be worried about?

By the way is it even necessary to begin HCG protocol from first week when using longer esters like enanthate?

[MickeyKnox]

Bump..

[hell911]

lets say my diet and workout is in check before and after the 8 week Test cycle..

after the cycle, for how long will my gains stay?

[MuscleInk]

lets say my diet and workout is in check before and after the 8 week Test cycle..

after the cycle, for how long will my gains stay?

Please post this question in Q&A and not on this thread. This thread was developed to assist new members with planning first cycles.

Thank you.

MuscleInk

[Provita]

Bump

[eri01]

Doesn't Testosterone Cypionate have a long halflife? why 2 injections per week? just curious.

[MuscleInk]

Doesn't Testosterone Cypionate have a long halflife? why 2 injections per week? just curious.

Half life is 8 days. Splitting injections provides a more stable concentration rather than the "highs and lows" that come from a single injection.

MuscleInk

[eri01]

Half life is 8 days. Splitting injections provides a more stable concentration rather than the "highs and lows" that come from a single injection.

MuscleInk

makes sense thanks MuscleInk

[romanos83539]

Mickey, what could be an expected total cost for the option below?
I take BP medication (Diovan - Diuretic+ARB) that keeps me at 120/70
Also taking med for elevated triglycerides (familial inherited).
Any considerations on that? I am 52 years old in good shape overall. Working out and playing sports.

Option 3. Short Ester

Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 150mg eod.
Wk 1-8 Aromasin 10mg ED day - monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-8 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day.

PCT
Begins wk 9 to wk 13

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

[Mr.Pitch]

Wow, just barely got through half of the reading in the OP (threads provided included) and I've learned a ton. Thanks a lot for putting this together, extremely useful!

[MickeyKnox]

Mickey, what could be an expected total cost for the option below?
I take BP medication (Diovan - Diuretic+ARB) that keeps me at 120/70
Also taking med for elevated triglycerides (familial inherited).
Any considerations on that? I am 52 years old in good shape overall. Working out and playing sports.

Option 3. Short Ester

Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 150mg eod.
Wk 1-8 Aromasin 10mg ED day - monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-8 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day.

PCT
Begins wk 9 to wk 13

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Welcome Romanos.

We don't discuss prices here. Sorry. But the cycle is a solid one for a short ester, however, frequent pinning is the trade off.

Wow, just barely got through half of the reading in the OP (threads provided included) and I've learned a ton. Thanks a lot for putting this together, extremely useful!

Glad to hear.

[crazy mike]

Mickey, what could be an expected total cost for the option below?
I take BP medication (Diovan - Diuretic+ARB) that keeps me at 120/70
Also taking med for elevated triglycerides (familial inherited).
Any considerations on that? I am 52 years old in good shape overall. Working out and playing sports.

Option 3. Short Ester

Wk 1-8 Testosterone Propionate = 150mg eod.
Wk 1-8 Aromasin 10mg ED day - monitor and adjust accordingly.
Wk 1-8 hCG = 250iu twice/wk day.

PCT
Begins wk 9 to wk 13

Clomid 75/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Hi romanos, I was wondering, this is your first cycle right ? if so what might be your reason for the use of Test prop, a short ester needing to be injected eod. Rather than the longer esters for once a wk injections. That's a question of just curiosity. ...crazy mike

[hell911]

First and foremost, before you begin your cycle, please have a full blood panel done to determine your hormone values and to give you a baseline for you to gauge any changes before, during, and post cycle. A full Blood Panel that includes a sensitive Male Estrogen Assay is recommended. (Thanks Kel)

i asked my doctor about this, he said he need to know the "specific" full blood panel, what should i say to him?

[kronik420]

i asked my doctor about this, he said he need to know the "specific" full blood panel, what should i say to him?

full hormonal panel including E2 sensitivity essay

[hell911]

full hormonal panel including E2 sensitivity essay

do we need to have a letter or document from doctor to have this blood test?

i called on a clinic, they said this type of test is done in hospitals.

[MickeyKnox]

i asked my doctor about this, he said he need to know the "specific" full blood panel, what should i say to him?

From KelKel's sticky..,

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...n#.UVH8JzcUX0E



"Following is a list, but certainly other specialists in this area may run expanded or attenuated panels, per individual clinical experience and expertise. Of note, additional tests which should be included to complete a comprehensive Anti-Aging Medicine workup, inflammatory markers, insulin , comprehensive thyroid study and as always, the panel needs to be tailored to the individual patient.

Here are examples only recommended by Dr. John Crisler in his paper “Current Best thoughts on How to Administer TRT for Men.”

• Total Testosterone
• Bioavailable testosterone (aka Free and Loosely Bound)
• Free Testosterone
• SHBG
• DHT (gel users especially pay attention to this)
• Estradiol (specify “sensitive” assay for males)
• LH
• FSH
• Prolactin
• Cortisol
• Thyroid Panel (complete)
• CBC
• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
• Lipid Panel
• PSA (age dependent)
• IGF-1, IGFBP-3 (if HGH therapy is being considered)
• Vitamin D


FOLLOW-UP LABS:

• Total Testosterone
• Bioavailable Testosterone
• Free Testosterone
• Estradiol (specify “sensitive” assay for males)
• LH
• FSH
• CBC
• Comprehensive Metabolic Panel
• Lipid Profile
• PSA (for those over 40 with family history of prostate CA. >45 all others)
• IGF-1, IGFBP-3 (if GH therapy has been initiated already)


Get the actual test results from the lab or doctors office. You paid for them therefore they are yours. Begin to maintain a chronological file for all your lab work. An excel spread-sheet is even nicer. It will pay off later when analyzing progress. If you’re not being treated at LowTestosterone.com do not accept that “your results are normal.” Many doctors don’t know what normal is and “normal” is really a relative term. Get your own results and do your own research. Always insist on seeing your actual results. Get a copy for your own records as stated above.

Many members here have ended up having to go from doctor to doctor until they can find one who will work with them. Many doctors surprisingly know very little about TRT. You know your body better than they do. Insist on a proper diagnosis first and foremost before therapy begins. Find the causative factor! If and when therapy does begin, be sure to get ALL of your symptoms treated.

DO NOT believe the ranges the lab report shows. DO NOT believe that you are fine just because you are “in range.” Ranges are relative and a good range for one person may not be correct for another. I repeat, do your own research.

Remember, you are in charge of your health and your doctor is there to help you. Not the other way around. This, in and of itself is one of the reasons LowTestosterone.com was developed!

Hope the above helps! In good health!

Kel


Contributions by GDevine & Bass"

[hell911]

^
thanks!

btw, what should i tell to the doctor about "why i need this blood test?" should i say routine checkup or what?

[MickeyKnox]

^
thanks!

btw, what should i tell to the doctor about "why i need this blood test?" should i say routine checkup or what?

Just tell him/her that you would like to have a full blood panel done as you have never had one before, and it would make a solid baseline for further blood tests.

[hell911]

oh, tnx for the tip.

[jaswave125]

Well it's me again, i'v been reading a lot and it somehow messed with me.

I know this is stupid what would you guys think if I added anavar on a cycle? Lets say my cycle is 10 week and add anavar for the last 4weeks? I'v been reading alot and it seems to work pretty well.

Just wanted to know what you guys think about it?

[Burnout]

Perfect timing too. Thank you!

[MickeyKnox]

Well it's me again, i'v been reading a lot and it somehow messed with me.

I know this is stupid what would you guys think if I added anavar on a cycle? Lets say my cycle is 10 week and add anavar for the last 4weeks? I'v been reading alot and it seems to work pretty well.

Just wanted to know what you guys think about it?

I would run it up front if you're using a long ester. But i wouldn't use it if its your first cycle.

[jaswave125]

Well yeah it is my first cycle as much as I'm tempted to use anavar I'm going to pass.

[LVCat]

Thanks again for the great thread MickeyKnox.

[jackattack]

Just started reading this seems very helpful. Don't know what alot of the stuff is. Just what I have

[MickeyKnox]

Well yeah it is my first cycle as much as I'm tempted to use anavar I'm going to pass.

Good call buddy.

Thanks again for the great thread MickeyKnox.

Just started reading this seems very helpful. Don't know what alot of the stuff is. Just what I have

Glad to hear.