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[The Titan99]

Take before going to bed and avoid taking in any appreciable amounts of carbs 3 hours prior to injection to obtain maximum results.

I was wondering about this too. I was going to do 4 i.u.'s on deload and 6-7 i.u.'s on reload. I train at 7:00 pm till 8:30/9:00. I'm usually in bed by 10:30. Should I drop carbs (1/2 cup cooked oat meal - 1/2 cup skim milk) out of my PW protein shake?

Also, how would that effect carb cycling or re carb days?

Also, I've heard you should be taking T4 with HGH or your wasting the HGH. What do you think about that? I'm taking T3 75 mcg before bed now.

Also, with the relative low cost of insulin and IGF compared to the HGH, it's VERY tempting to me to give the other 2 a try along with it.

It also occurred to me that with the strict diet restrictions with the implementation of all three, (no fats after the insulin twice a day, no carbs 3 hours prior or after the HGH etc.) it's no wonder people get good results. Getting bigger with the mass consumption of carbs and protein post insulin, extreme fat loss from dropping carbs at night. Sounds like good nutrient partitioning...

[The Titan99]

I found this article written back in 2003 about HGH IGF and insulin use. It talks about a negative feedback loop coming 4 hours after HGH injections. And what's the deal with spot injections for localized fat reduction?

HGH
HGH should ideally be used for 20-30 week cycles (or longer). The dosage should be between 2-3IU per day if you are using GH primarily for fat loss, 4-5 IU’s a day for both fat loss and muscle growth, and approximately 1.0 – 2.0 IU’s a day for females. It is best to split your injections 1/2 first thing in the morning, 1/2 early afternoon if your dose is above 3.0 IU’s per day. Your pituitary will naturally produce about 6-9 pulses of GH per day. Each injection you take will create a negative feedback loop that will suppress these pulses for about 4 hours. By taking your injections first thing in the morning and early afternoon you will still allow your body to release its biggest pulse, which normally occurs shortly after going to sleep at night.

When starting out with your HGH cycle, for most people it is wise to begin you dose at 1.5 – 2.0IU per day for the first couple of weeks, and then begin increasing your dose by 0.5 unit every week or two until you reach your desired level. While it isn't an absolute neccessity to do this, if you are sensitive to the type of sides HGH present you will often times avoid these sides of joint pain/swelling, and bloating/water retention by slowly acclaimating to your ultimate 4-5 IU/day goal.

You should use an U100 insulin syringe for injecting HGH, and inject it subQ into your a**omen, obliques, top of thighs, triceps. Rotate injection sites. HGH can have a small localized fat loss benefit, so keep this in mind when choosing your injection sites.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I found this article written back in 2003 about HGH IGF and insulin use. It talks about a negative feedback loop coming 4 hours after HGH injections. And what's the deal with spot injections for localized fat reduction?

HGH
HGH should ideally be used for 20-30 week cycles (or longer). The dosage should be between 2-3IU per day if you are using GH primarily for fat loss, 4-5 IU’s a day for both fat loss and muscle growth, and approximately 1.0 – 2.0 IU’s a day for females. It is best to split your injections 1/2 first thing in the morning, 1/2 early afternoon if your dose is above 3.0 IU’s per day. Your pituitary will naturally produce about 6-9 pulses of GH per day. Each injection you take will create a negative feedback loop that will suppress these pulses for about 4 hours. By taking your injections first thing in the morning and early afternoon you will still allow your body to release its biggest pulse, which normally occurs shortly after going to sleep at night.

When starting out with your HGH cycle, for most people it is wise to begin you dose at 1.5 – 2.0IU per day for the first couple of weeks, and then begin increasing your dose by 0.5 unit every week or two until you reach your desired level. While it isn't an absolute neccessity to do this, if you are sensitive to the type of sides HGH present you will often times avoid these sides of joint pain/swelling, and bloating/water retention by slowly acclaimating to your ultimate 4-5 IU/day goal.

You should use an U100 insulin syringe for injecting HGH, and inject it subQ into your a**omen, obliques, top of thighs, triceps. Rotate injection sites. HGH can have a small localized fat loss benefit, so keep this in mind when choosing your injection sites.

First of all I just saw your motorcycle on Facebook and I am jealous..lol. Not sure if you knew it or not but I was ranked 11th in the US as a professional racer until I wrecked and hurt my back.

Now onto your question and it's a good one. The 3 natural high points of GH release are first thing in the morning, post-workout, and right before going to bed. We know carbs blunt the release of GH and carbs are a must for breakfast and post- workout unless post-workout is late at night as it is in your case. So,that leaves us with bedtime being the optimum choice. In addition, muscle repair occurs at night while we are a sleep making this the best opportunity to maximize the muscle building effects of GH. Furthermore, our bodies go into a fasted state at night and the anti-catabolic effects of GH are manifested when injected at night before going to bed,especially when we employ a carb curfew!

I feel that spot reducing by injecting GH into particular muscle groups is over-rated just as the claims that site injecting with anabolic steroids cause localized growth.

I do agree that GH needs to be used for around 6 months straight to gain maximum benefit. But a noticeable difference can be seen in only a couple of month when using a generous amount of pharm grade GH.

The biggest problem with using GH long term is the expense to effect ratio. And the longer you run high dosages of GH the more you increase your chances of developing diabetes by becoming insulin resistant. And after a lengthy period os GH usage studies have suggested that our bodies release more Somastatin. This hormone has been suggested to shut down Igf-1 receptors. It's probably good to take a week off after every 3 months of GH use.

Side effects of using GH at high dosages longterm can be serious. Heart enlargement, kidney enlargement, high blood pressure, diabetes, thyroid hormone deficiency, acromegaly, and accelerated growth of existing cancer cells. Like all hormones, GH should be used with great respect!

[slimshady01]

First of all I just saw your motorcycle on Facebook and I am jealous..lol. Not sure if you knew it or not but I was ranked 11th in the US as a professional racer until I wrecked and hurt my back.

Now onto your question and it's a good one. The 3 natural high points of GH release are first thing in the morning, post-workout, and right before going to bed. We know carbs blunt the release of GH and carbs are a must for breakfast and post- workout unless post-workout is late at night as it is in your case. So,that leaves us with bedtime being the optimum choice. In addition, muscle repair occurs at night while we are a sleep making this the best opportunity to maximize the muscle building effects of GH. Furthermore, our bodies go into a fasted state at night and the anti-catabolic effects of GH are manifested when injected at night before going to bed,especially when we employ a carb curfew!

I feel that spot reducing by injecting GH into particular muscle groups is over-rated just as the claims that site injecting with anabolic steroids cause localized growth.

I do agree that GH needs to be used for around 6 months straight to gain maximum benefit. But a noticeable difference can be seen in only a couple of month when using a generous amount of pharm grade GH.

The biggest problem with using GH long term is the expense to effect ratio. And the longer you run high dosages of GH the more you increase your chances of developing diabetes by becoming insulin resistant. And after a lengthy period os GH usage studies have suggested that our bodies release more Somastatin. This hormone has been suggested to shut down Igf-1 receptors. It's probably good to take a week off after every 3 months of GH use.

Side effects of using GH at high dosages longterm can be serious. Heart enlargement, kidney enlargement, high blood pressure, diabetes, thyroid hormone deficiency, acromegaly, and accelerated growth of existing cancer cells. Like all hormones, GH should be used with great respect!

Am I safe to assume that the 3-4 that I will run wont be considered a high dose? Therefor possibly safe to run this longer as long as I can afford.. Im mainly looking for anti aging and fat loss and anything else that comes with it along with running it with test cycles.

[Ronnie Rowland]

Am I safe to assume that the 3-4 that I will run wont be considered a high dose? Therefor possibly safe to run this longer as long as I can afford.. Im mainly looking for anti aging and fat loss and anything else that comes with it along with running it with test cycles.

Those dosages should be fine.

[The Titan99]

First of all I just saw your motorcycle on Facebook and I am jealous..lol. Not sure if you knew it or not but I was ranked 11th in the US as a professional racer until I wrecked and hurt my back.

Now onto your question and it's a good one. The 3 natural high points of GH release are first thing in the morning, post-workout, and right before going to bed. We know carbs blunt the release of GH and carbs are a must for breakfast and post- workout unless post-workout is late at night as it is in your case. So,that leaves us with bedtime being the optimum choice. In addition, muscle repair occurs at night while we are a sleep making this the best opportunity to maximize the muscle building effects of GH. Furthermore, our bodies go into a fasted state at night and the anti-catabolic effects of GH are manifested when injected at night before going to bed,especially when we employ a carb curfew!

I feel that spot reducing by injecting GH into particular muscle groups is over-rated just as the claims that site injecting with anabolic steroids cause localized growth.

I do agree that GH needs to be used for around 6 months straight to gain maximum benefit. But a noticeable difference can be seen in only a couple of month when using a generous amount of pharm grade GH.

The biggest problem with using GH long term is the expense to effect ratio. And the longer you run high dosages of GH the more you increase your chances of developing diabetes by becoming insulin resistant. And after a lengthy period os GH usage studies have suggested that our bodies release more Somastatin. This hormone has been suggested to shut down Igf-1 receptors. It's probably good to take a week off after every 3 months of GH use.

Side effects of using GH at high dosages longterm can be serious. Heart enlargement, kidney enlargement, high blood pressure, diabetes, thyroid hormone deficiency, acromegaly, and accelerated growth of existing cancer cells. Like all hormones, GH should be used with great respect!

I never knew how you hurt your back bike racing. I never go over 30-35 mph on this island, but I still manage to hurt myself sometimes. It's been a lot better since I stopped drinking!! Lol!! OK, so right before bed it is!!

I was looking for an excuse to post those pics!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

I never knew how you hurt your back bike racing. I never go over 30-35 mph on this island, but I still manage to hurt myself sometimes. It's been a lot better since I stopped drinking!! Lol!! OK, so right before bed it is!!

I was looking for an excuse to post those pics!!

That's a cool bike. What cc is it.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I was wondering about this too. I was going to do 4 i.u.'s on deload and 6-7 i.u.'s on reload. I train at 7:00 pm till 8:30/9:00. I'm usually in bed by 10:30. Should I drop carbs (1/2 cup cooked oat meal - 1/2 cup skim milk) out of my PW protein shake?

Also, how would that effect carb cycling or re carb days?

Also, I've heard you should be taking T4 with HGH or your wasting the HGH. What do you think about that? I'm taking T3 75 mcg before bed now.

Also, with the relative low cost of insulin and IGF compared to the HGH, it's VERY tempting to me to give the other 2 a try along with it.

It also occurred to me that with the strict diet restrictions with the implementation of all three, (no fats after the insulin twice a day, no carbs 3 hours prior or after the HGH etc.) it's no wonder people get good results. Getting bigger with the mass consumption of carbs and protein post insulin, extreme fat loss from dropping carbs at night. Sounds like good nutrient partitioning...

1) Drop carbs out of late post workout shake. 2) you are not wasting your money taking GH without using t-4 in conjunction. I would not recommend using more than 50 t-3 daily. Too much can cause muscle loss and get your natural heart beat out of its natural rythym. 3) your overall plan with the insulin,Igf,carb,and fat timing is great! But you better know what your doing before using insulin. It can cause your organs to age faster than normal and diabetic coma. IMO don't use it but if you do then keep Gatorade on hand at all times and never then go to sleep to be on the safe side.

[The Titan99]

1) Drop carbs out of late post workout shake. 2) you are not wasting your money taking GH without using t-4 in conjunction. I would not recommend using more than 50 t-3 daily. Too much can cause muscle loss and get your natural heart beat out of its natural rythym. 3) your overall plan with the insulin,Igf,carb,and fat timing is great! But you better know what your doing before using insulin. It can cause your organs to age faster than normal and diabetic coma. IMO don't use it but if you do then keep Gatorade on hand at all times and never then go to sleep to be on the safe side.

OK, T3 at 50 mcg's ed. I guess I can't figure out how to workout at 7:00 pm AND take insulin PWO then 5 minutes later,9:05 pm (55 mg carbs, 10 mg Glutamine, 10 mg creatine) 15 minutes post injection 80 mg whey protein and water, 1 hour post injection meal 50 mg protein, 50 mg carb NO FAT (there goes my peanut butter before bed, steak, olive oil etc.) Anyway, here it is 10:00 pm, a half hour before bed and I can't take my HGH for 3 hours. BUMMER!! Could you do the insulin in the morning? You'd be catabolic then too I suppose.

Anyway, so for the IGF1. From what I can tell MGF should be taken immediately post work out, then LR3 IGF1 one hour after that. From what I gather you could have the 50 mg whey mixed with egg whites immediately after workout with the MGF then a protein fat meal an hour later with theLR3IGF1, then the HGH 30 minutes after that right before bed? Is this why guy's take their HGH in the morning? Could you set the alarm and take the HGH around 1:00 PM? I feel like I'm close to getting my mind around this, but not quite. I'd do the insulin, HGH and IGF1/MGF if I could workout mid day!! LOL!! What do you think? Anabolic wise I'm thinking 2 grams Test E/ 700 mg Masteron E/50 mg Proviron ed. Possibly 500mg NPP too.