Help with cutting please! like to get to 12% bf

[cue_artist]

I find it really annoying when I see members advising others to f***ckin start a cut on 1600 kcal . This guy works out! My 5 year old brother eats more than this . OP Listening to those noobs that advise such low calories on a start of a cut can cause you serious metabolic damage and muscle loss. The ideal way of cutting is to start high on calories and taper them down every week or 2 weeks . You dont need to even lower calories to much if u add in some extra cardio sessions .

[Dougiefresh7707]

I find it really annoying when I see members advising others to f***ckin start a cut on 1600 kcal . This guy works out! My 5 year old brother eats more than this . OP Listening to those noobs that advise such low calories on a start of a cut can cause you serious metabolic damage and muscle loss. The ideal way of cutting is to start high on calories and taper them down every week or 2 weeks . You dont need to even lower calories to much if u add in some extra cardio sessions .

I don't see 1600 if roughly he is 2050 to maintain 1800 is not a big drop he isn't a big guy and if you factor what actual lbm he had its even less I always advice to watch and listen to your body carfully and to not lose more than 2 pounds a week IMO.

[cue_artist]

I can see the stats of the OP. I don't care about any stupid inaccurate formulas that alot of members use down here. If a regular person was eating 3000 and maintaining his weight and then he uses one of the formulas that are posted here and it tells him that he needs 2000 calories to maintain his weight. Do u think its smart to drop to 1600 calories just to follow what the formula is saying and eating 400 cals below that number. Thats a drop of 1400 cals. The smart thing is that you should start your diet by following what you have been doing for a while. That is calculate all the food that you have been eating in the previous months for a typical day and make small modifications to it. There is a reason why alot of members down here can never leach really low bodyfats. Your body is way smarter than any formula. Why make dieting torture !?!?!

[Dougiefresh7707]

I can see the stats of the OP. I don't care about any stupid inaccurate formulas that alot of members use down here. If a regular person was eating 3000 and maintaining his weight and then he uses one of the formulas that are posted here and it tells him that he needs 2000 calories to maintain his weight. Do u think its smart to drop to 1600 calories just to follow what the formula is saying and eating 400 cals below that number. Thats a drop of 1400 cals. The smart thing is that you should start your diet by following what you have been doing for a while. That is calculate all the food that you have been eating in the previous months for a typical day and make small modifications to it. There is a reason why alot of members down here can never leach really low bodyfats. Your body is way smarter than any formula. Why make dieting torture !?!?!

If he had a diet that work for him for awhile in your words do you think he would have to ask for advice on how to diet? I think not I'm 195 5'10 and cut at 2050 so who's to say this isn't ok for my cut. Also we give advice based on facts and opinions take it or leave but I see no use in complaining about it sry if you don't agree with our views.

[cue_artist]

^^ The Op was asking for advise and I provided a solution to his question. Second of all it not a matter of agreeing or not agreeing to people views or not. Everybody has the right to post. And the way I see it is that a weight lifter should never go below 2000 calories. Third of all there is no science behind the TDEE formula except the fact that its an estimate. So that estimate might be correct or incorrect. Plus if you think that your science is doing you good why dont place a pic and lets see how defined you are. I have reached contest stage conditions and never went below 2500 Kcals an i am an endomorph

[Dougiefresh7707]

^^ The Op was asking for advise and I provided a solution to his question. Second of all it not a matter of agreeing or not agreeing to people views or not. Everybody has the right to post. And the way I see it is that a weight lifter should never go below 2000 calories. Third of all there is no science behind the TDEE formula except the fact that its an estimate. So that estimate might be correct or incorrect. Plus if you think that your science is doing you good why dont place a pic and lets see how defined you are. I have reached contest stage conditions and never went below 2500 Kcals an i am an endomorph

What works for you might not work for the next guy I don't go below 2 either but someone with less lbm should have no problem doing so on a cut and or carb cycling, furthermore we don't know how hard he's working at lifting and or cardio we must assume he's moderately doing so I see no solution in your post I saw you saw 1600 was too low but no numbers of what you were thinking was right for the op.

[cue_artist]

I saw you saw 1600 was too low but no numbers of what you were thinking was right for the op.

This is what i am trying to explain too u for 2 days now . Why would u want to go with numbers ? Numbers are never accurate especially when it comes to our human bodies. I would advise u and the OP to start increasing calories slowly week by week to the point that your body would maintain the same weight with you eating alot of total calories per day . You will add fat in the beginning but then you will notice that your metabolism will adapt to that increase in calories and that fat gain will stop at some point .But on the good note this will allow you start a cut with a high amount of calories . I am saying this because i used to have one of slowest metabolisms in the world . I was 150 kg when i was 17 and now i compete . Before me meeting with my trainer i used to follow all the formulas that alot of members use down here . These numbers would always put me low on calories in the begining and then i reach a plateau and weight loss stops . I never reached lower than 9 % using these formulas . So the bottom line of my post is that i advise people not to go with formulas but going by the amount of calories u eat on a typical day and decrease 200 kcal from that number . This number is more accurate in my opinion because your body has adapted to this amount of kcal and once you decrease from it you will start noticing some weight loss.

[gbrice75]

a weight lifter should never go below 2000 calories.

I've gotta disagree with you on this one cue. 2000 is an arbitrary, or at the very least, relative number. It boils down to LBM and metabolic rate... some people just have a naturally slow metabolism... shit, I have the metabolism of a glacier. I will grant you that for probably 90% of guys (another arbitrary number lol), it will be too low - but that still doesn't mean everyone.

Again, I routinely dip below 2000 calories (granted, not 7 days a week) and have managed to maintain strength, even increased on some lifts - and I'm natural. The diet plan I usually follow when I cut is a spin-off of one Nark wrote for me a couple years ago when I was working with him. At first it seemed too low to me too, but I put my faith in him, seeing as he's spent years coaching guys through contest prep and even a few to their pro card... suggests he knows a thing or two about dieting and how our bodies operate.

Maybe it's apples and oranges; I'm talking about carb cycling, you guys aren't. But you did say "never" and I felt compelled to respond to that.

[cue_artist]

Plus the OP is a lifting weights ! he is not doing ballet dancing !!

[Dougiefresh7707]

Plus the OP is a lifting weights ! he is not doing ballet dancing !!

Ballet is a very physical activity