Why the hate?? -- Oral Only cycle?!?

[qscgugcsq]

Bad rep for good reason. Good alternative? I think it's a weak-minded alternative.

If you agree that the advantages are undeniable and cycling with a test base is better, then basically what you're saying is... "It's OK to half-ass your way through a cycle". That's where weak minded comes in. Probably the same folks that plan to do do a full workout routine and end up going home halfway through because they're a little achy.

The idea is garbage, any which way you look at it.

Well, so your argument against oral cycle is why doing half the job when you could have the total package with testosterone thats it??

[austinite]

Well, so your argument against oral cycle is why doing half the job when you could have the total package with testosterone thats it??

Are you really that dense? You dug yourself in a hole with this thread because you can't overcome your own objections, and you stated yourself that test base would be better. I don't need to justify anything. You do. The conversation moved from one point to another, so my last statement was a response to the last mindless points you made. Not a an argument in it's entirety. I don't feel like being repetitive in the same thread. You got reasons from several members, add them up yourself.

You stated that better to use test, so I repeated what you said and rephrased it properly. Good thread idea, garbage follow ups.

[basketballfan22]

Well, so your argument against oral cycle is why doing half the job when you could have the total package with testosterone thats it??

I think that is a very good reason to not do oral steroids. Whether people want to admit or not, there are risks associated with AAS. Even if you wait until your endocrine system is completely developed and you take the appropriate amount of time researching AAS, dialing your diet and workout down, etc.; the reality is you are still messing with your hormones and endocrine system. The health risks are light-years away from what society will typically have you believe, but they still exist.

Upon accepting this fact, you are then dealt with a risk-reward scenario. If one is willing to risk altering his/her hormones and the health effects that may come with it, one will typically expect great things. If taking steroids would only lead to an increase of 6 ounces of muscle mass, most (hopefully all) people would never do them because the risks far outweigh the rewards. In this case you just said that oral and injectable cycles have the same risks, so why in the hell would you elect the option that leads to LESS gains and rewards? It just doesn't logically follow.

[songdog]

This thread was a long time in coming for op.The sad thing is he still dont get it!

[5x10]

Agree with op
I don't understand why the method of application is targeted
Doing 20mgs of dbol for 4-6 weeks right now
Will be my first short cycle, oral only
Have done 3 prior in my 20 yrs of lifting

[songdog]

Agree with op
I don't understand why the method of application is targeted
Doing 20mgs of dbol for 4-6 weeks right now
Will be my first short cycle, oral only
Have done 3 prior in my 20 yrs of lifting

Bro beacuse this type of cycle is next to worthless.There are 100s of threads of the same thing.OP thinks he found a safe cycle.Beacuse if you read his history.That is wat he is looking for beacuse he is young and wants to cycle and prove everything we teach here wrong.

[qscgugcsq]

Bro beacuse this type of cycle is next to worthless.There are 100s of threads of the same thing.OP thinks he found a safe cycle.Beacuse if you read his history.That is wat he is looking for beacuse he is young and wants to cycle and prove everything we teach here wrong.

And what's wrong with that?? Yes, I'm trying to find a way that will be efficient and "safe". Educate before you medicate, does it rings a bell to you?

We don't educate ourself by saying ok to everything we read. We are learning by trying to find flaws, by finding new hypothesis and asking question. And most important of all, Being proved WRONG! By agreeing to everything we don't search to understand we just know but don't know why... If I know something I would like to know why so.

And yes I want to prove you all wrong. Because for that I have to outsmart you(that I clearly can't achieve due my lack of experience) But by trying I push a little further.

And when A thread piss you off, and when you feel attacked by this thread that is when you are going in, "**** you I'll show you what I know" mode. And that's what I want.

If you think that disgraceful to try to learn as much as we can. Go ahead!

[songdog]

And what's wrong with that?? Yes, I'm trying to find a way that will be efficient and "safe". Educate before you medicate, does it rings a bell to you?

We don't educate ourself by saying ok to everything we read. We are learning by trying to find flaws, by finding new hypothesis and asking question. And most important of all, Being proved WRONG! By agreeing to everything we don't search to understand we just know but don't know why... If I know something I would like to know why so.

And yes I want to prove you all wrong. Because for that I have to outsmart you(that I clearly can't achieve due my lack of experience) But by trying I push a little further.

And when A thread piss you off, and when you feel attacked by this thread that is when you are going in, "**** you I'll show you what I know" mode. And that's what I want.

If you think that disgraceful to try to learn as much as we can. Go ahead!

No wat angers me is when you pass along your BS to younger guys not knowing any better.And you are not educateing yourself.You are trying to find someone to say its ok for you to cycle.So you hit this topic on every side and still come up empty handed.Now if you want to cycle go ahead.But dont try telling these youg kids that you found a safer cycle.Beacuse they dont exist.

[5x10]

Bro beacuse this type of cycle is next to worthless.There are 100s of threads of the same thing.OP thinks he found a safe cycle.Beacuse if you read his history.That is wat he is looking for beacuse he is young and wants to cycle and prove everything we teach here wrong.

im not young, I'm 34
Last 3 cycles have been 10-12 weeks and were all shots
I'm trying this as I want a short cycle
Dbol is a effective steroid, I'm dieting while taking it
I already weigh 260 prior to starting
Not sure how you can claim that my cycle is a waste when you don't even know why I'm doing it

Crazy how a short, mild cycle is criticized while the strongest roid, tren, is commonly used and accepted even though, IMO, it's got the biggest impact in terms of sides

[songdog]

im not young, I'm 34
Last 3 cycles have been 10-12 weeks and were all shots
I'm trying this as I want a short cycle
Dbol is a effective steroid, I'm dieting while taking it
I already weigh 260 prior to starting
Not sure how you can claim that my cycle is a waste when you don't even know why I'm doing it

Crazy how a short, mild cycle is criticized while the strongest roid, tren, is commonly used and accepted even though, IMO, it's got the biggest impact in terms of sides

Beacuse most if not all of wat you gain on Dbol you will lose.Now if I was going to do a oral only and diet which I wouldnt.I would choose Var for is clean gains or Tbol.IMOP Dbol isnt a good choice for dieting cycle much like Deca you just have too much water weight.

[bigsiv]

Beacuse most if not all of wat you gain on Dbol you will lose.Now if I was going to do a oral only and diet which I wouldnt.I would choose Var for is clean gains or Tbol.IMOP Dbol isnt a good choice for dieting cycle much like Deca you just have too much water weight.

Have to agree with song dog here dbol for cutting? I have loads of experience with dbol and now I can't stand it. Anadrol for strength and var for a cut. I've seen your lifting stats 5 x 10 in another thread very impressive but I don't understand why you would dbol to cut, and on its own? Can you shed some light please?

[AnabolicDoc]

I just wanted to add one more thing. I know the discussion here is the value of oral only cycles as an alternative to test only or test + oral or whatever. I have read at several sites and interviews of ex-BBs on you tube that the BB's in the 60s and 70s did oral only cycles when they first started. I've also read that once they started adding injectables, test wasn't even in the first few cycles - maybe true, idk. Point is that I think the BBs who first stared using AAS have clearly demonstrated that significant gains can be made without test. Clearly, test became a mainstay bc of its added benefits and results and to say that a cycle with test is better than one without is 100% agreed upon by everyone here. I know this is a little off topic and an extreme example of what the OP is trying to get across, but I think it shows us of the potential that non-test cycles can have. Of course, non-test cycles that include other injectables is vastly different from non-test cycles that are oral-only. Any thoughts?

[qscgugcsq]

I think that is a very good reason to not do oral steroids. Whether people want to admit or not, there are risks associated with AAS. Even if you wait until your endocrine system is completely developed and you take the appropriate amount of time researching AAS, dialing your diet and workout down, etc.; the reality is you are still messing with your hormones and endocrine system. The health risks are light-years away from what society will typically have you believe, but they still exist.

Upon accepting this fact, you are then dealt with a risk-reward scenario. If one is willing to risk altering his/her hormones and the health effects that may come with it, one will typically expect great things. If taking steroids would only lead to an increase of 6 ounces of muscle mass, most (hopefully all) people would never do them because the risks far outweigh the rewards. In this case you just said that oral and injectable cycles have the same risks, so why in the hell would you elect the option that leads to LESS gains and rewards? It just doesn't logically follow.

Good point , make sense!

I just wanted to add one more thing. I know the discussion here is the value of oral only cycles as an alternative to test only or test + oral or whatever. I have read at several sites and interviews of ex-BBs on you tube that the BB's in the 60s and 70s did oral only cycles when they first started. I've also read that once they started adding injectables, test wasn't even in the first few cycles - maybe true, idk. Point is that I think the BBs who first stared using AAS have clearly demonstrated that significant gains can be made without test. Clearly, test became a mainstay bc of its added benefits and results and to say that a cycle with test is better than one without is 100% agreed upon by everyone here. I know this is a little off topic and an extreme example of what the OP is trying to get across, but I think it shows us of the potential that non-test cycles can have. Of course, non-test cycles that include other injectables is vastly different from non-test cycles that are oral-only. Any thoughts?

Nice addition!

I think everything as been covered, opinion varies on what is worth it or no.
It's a matter of preference and needs.
it has been an enlightening discussion.

Thanks to everyone who gently add something to the discussion.

[songdog]

I just wanted to add one more thing. I know the discussion here is the value of oral only cycles as an alternative to test only or test + oral or whatever. I have read at several sites and interviews of ex-BBs on you tube that the BB's in the 60s and 70s did oral only cycles when they first started. I've also read that once they started adding injectables, test wasn't even in the first few cycles - maybe true, idk. Point is that I think the BBs who first stared using AAS have clearly demonstrated that significant gains can be made without test. Clearly, test became a mainstay bc of its added benefits and results and to say that a cycle with test is better than one without is 100% agreed upon by everyone here. I know this is a little off topic and an extreme example of what the OP is trying to get across, but I think it shows us of the potential that non-test cycles can have. Of course, non-test cycles that include other injectables is vastly different from non-test cycles that are oral-only. Any thoughts?

But as we know know it wasnt the best route to go.Many things have changed and for the better.But if they were really good dont you think we would still be doing it?Op if someone ran a 60day Dbol cycle.He would be big for 6 weeks.Then the water will be gone.Now your Clark Kent again

[Bio-Active]

But as we know know it wasnt the best route to go.Many things have changed and for the better.But if they were really good dont you think we would still be doing it?Op if someone ran a 60day Dbol cycle.He would be big for 6 weeks.Then the water will be gone.Now your Clark Kent again

And probably feel horrible for most of that time since he would be suppressing natty test