Keeping Gains

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out of curiosity what would u think ud have to run to maintain gains for a TRT guy carrying say an extra 20lbs LBM.. ?? where would ur blood levels have to be during cruising times?

[austinite]

out of curiosity what would u think ud have to run to maintain gains for a TRT guy carrying say an extra 20lbs LBM.. ?? where would ur blood levels have to be during cruising times?

20 bs is a lot of muscle. Likely no less than 600mg weekly. Which is a common cruising dose for many over their potential. 750+ is not uncommon either.

Folks would be surprised how much a natural body can hold. I'm 225 lbs at 6ft, with 198 lean lbs and I think I still have a ways to go. I'm confident my body can hold onto 205 lbs of lean mass without issue. So for me to carry 225 to 235 lean lbs consistently, I don't think any lower than 600mg would suffice.

[Hazard]

20 bs is a lot of muscle. Likely no less than 600mg weekly. Which is a common cruising dose for many over their potential. 750+ is not uncommon either.

Folks would be surprised how much a natural body can hold. I'm 225 lbs at 6ft, with 198 lean lbs and I think I still have a ways to go. I'm confident my body can hold onto 205 lbs of lean mass without issue. So for me to carry 225 to 235 lean lbs consistently, I don't think any lower than 600mg would suffice.

I do..... I'm 6'1 - got to 200 naturally. Been up to 255 at 12%.....

I've just come off a 1 year lay off. No gym, no hormones. I held on to quite a bit. By all means..... I don't look 255 at 12% lmao but I still looked fairly big. Here's a pic of me about 8-9 months without lifting or hormones.....

I'm bigger than this now..... Sitting on 253 at the moment after being back for about a month. I'm now doing cardio out the ass to lean out.

Sry to get off topic...... In short..... I think 300mgs/wk maybe 400 with a good diet and steady training can maintain a decent amount.

[calstate23]

I do..... I'm 6'1 - got to 200 naturally. Been up to 255 at 12%.....

I've just come off a 1 year lay off. No gym, no hormones. I held on to quite a bit. By all means..... I don't look 255 at 12% lmao but I still looked fairly big. Here's a pic of me about 8-9 months without lifting or hormones.....

I'm bigger than this now..... Sitting on 253 at the moment after being back for about a month. I'm now doing cardio out the ass to lean out.

Sry to get off topic...... In short..... I think 300mgs/wk maybe 400 with a good diet and steady training can maintain a decent amount.

Hmm hmm...Smells fishy...Just messin....Lookin good

Well, let's say "Hypothetically" I weighed 220 lbs 6% bf...Stopped all hormones and was 219 at 13% bf....Hypothetically, I still would have lost right around 15-20 lbs of lean muscle even though I am still the same weight...

[Hazard]

Hmm hmm...Smells fishy...Just messin....Lookin good

Well, let's say "Hypothetically" I weighed 220 lbs 6% bf...Stopped all hormones and was 219 at 13% bf....Hypothetically, I still would have lost right around 15-20 lbs of lean muscle even though I am still the same weight...

Right.....

I try to keep around 10-12% all the time.

You can't maintain 6% year round...... It's not healthy. It'd also be damned hard..... Even with hormones..... To maintain that for any extended period.

[calstate23]

I do..... I'm 6'1 - got to 200 naturally. Been up to 255 at 12%.....

I've just come off a 1 year lay off. No gym, no hormones. I held on to quite a bit. By all means..... I don't look 255 at 12% lmao but I still looked fairly big. Here's a pic of me about 8-9 months without lifting or hormones.....

I'm bigger than this now..... Sitting on 253 at the moment after being back for about a month. I'm now doing cardio out the ass to lean out.

Sry to get off topic...... In short..... I think 300mgs/wk maybe 400 with a good diet and steady training can maintain a decent amount.

I'm sorry but this has been killin me for hours and hours and I can't let you slip by....

This is BS to the FULLEST extent...Come on man, apparently people aren't smart around here or don't know what their talking about...But I can't let this slip by....

EVERYTHING you mentioned is fake...I know bodybuilding INSIDE AND OUT and this statement is just VERY VERY WRONG...

You are NOT what you speak of....It's IMPOSSIBLE!

[panntastic]

I'm sorry but this has been killin me for hours and hours and I can't let you slip by....

This is BS to the FULLEST extent...Come on man, apparently people aren't smart around here or don't know what their talking about...But I can't let this slip by....

EVERYTHING you mentioned is fake...I know bodybuilding INSIDE AND OUT and this statement is just VERY VERY WRONG...

You are NOT what you speak of....It's IMPOSSIBLE!

Haz is a very long standing and very well respected member here
He speaks the truth buddy
What is so wrong with his statement?
Because something works for one person an not with another you think it's BS?

[calstate23]

Haz is a very long standing and very well respected member here
He speaks the truth buddy
What is so wrong with his statement?
Because something works for one person an not with another you think it's BS?

No, but there is a MAJOR difference of what's possible for someone and what's not....

Apparently, I could be wrong but he "floats" between 10-12% at 255 lbs...Yet he came off of hormones and is same weight and same bf%?

If he was "so-called" 10-12% bf on hormones he BETTER be A LOT higher in bf% off hormones...You can't pull the SAME numbers on hormones as a natty...NO WAY, NO HOW....

Just look at his pic and ANY KNOWLEDGEABLE person can see hormone use there...Why even try to lie?

It's RIDICULOUS

[panntastic]

No, but there is a MAJOR difference of what's possible for someone and what's not....

Apparently, I could be wrong but he "floats" between 10-12% at 255 lbs...Yet he came off of hormones and is same weight and same bf%?

If he was "so-called" 10-12% bf on hormones he BETTER be A LOT higher in bf% off hormones...You can't pull the SAME numbers on hormones as a natty...NO WAY, NO HOW....

Just look at his pic and ANY KNOWLEDGEABLE person can see hormone use there...Why even try to lie?

It's RIDICULOUS

If you read MARCUS DIARY in the lounge section Haz does go into detail about all of this
If it wasn't Saturday and I didn't have the kids I would locate and link this for you.

I think what he's wrote has somehow been misconstrued possibly
I know he's spoken in past of being BIG using hormones
Then he had some personal things and took some time away from training/ hormone usage etc
Now he's getting back into it properly again and leaning out and gaining lbm

I may be wrong but that's how I read it.

But Haz is no liar buddy trust me

[tarmyg]

This is a super interesting thread. I can not stop following it.

~T

[Hazard]

No, but there is a MAJOR difference of what's possible for someone and what's not....

Apparently, I could be wrong but he "floats" between 10-12% at 255 lbs...Yet he came off of hormones and is same weight and same bf%?

If he was "so-called" 10-12% bf on hormones he BETTER be A LOT higher in bf% off hormones...You can't pull the SAME numbers on hormones as a natty...NO WAY, NO HOW....

Just look at his pic and ANY KNOWLEDGEABLE person can see hormone use there...Why even try to lie?

It's RIDICULOUS

Lol I never said I was 255 at 12% still! At one point Durring my off time I was 234. I have no idea what I weighed in that pic but I wasn't on any aas..... That's a fact.

I'm currently 254 and yes my bodyfat is higher..... As I stated. I'm currently hammering cardio to get back to 12% or below

[marcus300]

I'm sorry but this has been killin me for hours and hours and I can't let you slip by....

This is BS to the FULLEST extent...Come on man, apparently people aren't smart around here or don't know what their talking about...But I can't let this slip by....

EVERYTHING you mentioned is fake...I know bodybuilding INSIDE AND OUT and this statement is just VERY VERY WRONG...

You are NOT what you speak of....It's IMPOSSIBLE!

What you fail to comprehend is that not everyone responds in the same way, you may well not be able to do something but the next person with better genetics can. Nothing in this game is static and your so ridged your failing to see the bigger picture. I cant comment for Haz but I can bring something to the table here.

I went steroid free for 4 yrs and even though I did have a hard time with holding weight and muscle while I got my trt right and other mental pressure in my life I did get back to over 240lbs+ at around 13-15% bf on trt alone. That's a fact not BS and I did this through being consistent with hard training and having an extremely ridged diet, I built back to what I was very close when I was cycling, without doubt I didn't look the same but I was holding some serious tissue for a simple trt.

I put this down to how I train, the amount of hgh and aas ive took over the years and also my spirit and dedication to not let anything beat me achieving my goals. A lot of the pictures you posted are of people who had serious health problems that's why they lost so much weight and size or even died. Look at Dorian now he still carries some serious size for just trt and other people can achieve this so I wouldn't knock anyone all because its impossible for you to do it.

Open your eyes and take a look around no one here has anything to gain by lying.

[jimmyinkedup]

What you fail to comprehend is that not everyone responds in the same way, you may well not be able to do something but the next person with better genetics can. Nothing in this game is static and your so ridged your failing to see the bigger picture. I cant comment for Haz but I can bring something to the table here.

I went steroid free for 4 yrs and even though I did have a hard time with holding weight and muscle while I got my trt right and other mental pressure in my life I did get back to over 240lbs+ at around 13-15% bf on trt alone. That's a fact not BS and I did this through being consistent with hard training and having an extremely ridged diet, I built back to what I was very close when I was cycling, without doubt I didn't look the same but I was holding some serious tissue for a simple trt.

I put this down to how I train, the amount of hgh and aas ive took over the years and also my spirit and dedication to not let anything beat me achieving my goals. A lot of the pictures you posted are of people who had serious health problems that's why they lost so much weight and size or even died. Look at Dorian now he still carries some serious size for just trt and other people can achieve this so I wouldn't knock anyone all because its impossible for you to do it.

Open your eyes and take a look around no one here has anything to gain by lying.

Thank you so much for pointing this out. I immediately thought this when I saw those pics. Using them as examples without mentioning or considering what you just pointed out is pretty foolish and a very misleading way to support your position.

[calstate23]

Thank you so much for pointing this out. I immediately thought this when I saw those pics. Using them as examples without mentioning or considering what you just pointed out is pretty foolish and a very misleading way to support your position.

Yes, I know...Lots of Kidney problems...

But I just wanted to show people freaks....Although their sick it still comes down to no diet, no training, and no hormones and this is what these guys can look like...

Dorian is an Insulin freak and by no means is he just using a TRT dose...Other hormones are involved...

[Hazard]

I'm sorry but this has been killin me for hours and hours and I can't let you slip by....

This is BS to the FULLEST extent...Come on man, apparently people aren't smart around here or don't know what their talking about...But I can't let this slip by....

EVERYTHING you mentioned is fake...I know bodybuilding INSIDE AND OUT and this statement is just VERY VERY WRONG...

You are NOT what you speak of....It's IMPOSSIBLE!

Sorry to disappoint you..... I was very disappointed in myself with how much size I lost but I had a daughter and had to raise her by myself. I had 0 time for the gym.

Believe it or not..... I really don't care. I've got nothing to prove to you or anyone else...... A few select members have kept in touch with me via text and a few have even hung out with me during that time and they can tell you for themself if they see the thread.

[BluPhin]

20 bs is a lot of muscle. Likely no less than 600mg weekly. Which is a common cruising dose for many over their potential. 750+ is not uncommon either.

Folks would be surprised how much a natural body can hold. I'm 225 lbs at 6ft, with 198 lean lbs and I think I still have a ways to go. I'm confident my body can hold onto 205 lbs of lean mass without issue. So for me to carry 225 to 235 lean lbs consistently, I don't think any lower than 600mg would suffice.

If 600mg/wk is cruise, what would a blast look like?

[calstate23]

out of curiosity what would u think ud have to run to maintain gains for a TRT guy carrying say an extra 20lbs LBM.. ?? where would ur blood levels have to be during cruising times?

That's too broad of a question to truly answer with certainty...You would have to have quite some info on a person to divulge an answer...

Blood levels really wouldn't matter as how certain people react to taking hormones...For instance, take 2 people, same height, weight, bf%, same diet, same training, both with no hormone use....

They might have the same blood levels on cycle but one could make EXTENSIVE gains while the other person not as much...

Plus, we have to look at other hormones the person has used...Also, how long have they been using these hormones...

But, without a doubt for that person to keep an extra 20 lbs LBM they will have to be out of the normal range on blood work...