23 yo Male Steroid Use of a Work-Out Beginner

[toxicflow]

Ok so let me just give you some background info. I don't lift. I have before but it was several years ago. I have graduated with a double major in Marketing/Biochemistry and Molecular Biology. I have been abusing substances for the last year. As a matter of fact, in the picture shown, I am on *, and you can see the insulin syringe (use them for *) I used to inject 60mg Test P into my left pec. Obviously, I won't be using * from now on. Now, I hear people saying beginners should not use steroids , well I don't think it matters when you use them. You gain the most muscle when you first start lifting, so I'm hoping to get a nice blastoff. I will continue to eat what some would consider bullshit. I will eat carbs, a lot of fat, and whatever protein is in the food containing the carbs and fat. I will not drink protein shakes, they are a scam. One gram of protein has 4 calories for a reason. The body synthesizes its own. You learn a lot majoring in biochemistry. I saw a supplement containing only GABA. Well GABA does not cross the BBB, therefore it's a total scam. Now the reason I also majored in Marketing, is because it's extremely easy to market supplements to people who swear by them, when in reality it is their dedication that gets them their results. Anyway, I received Anadrol for free, which I did not plan on happening. If you don't mind, take a look at my pics and let me know what kind of results you think I could achieve. And if you are enraged regarding the comments I made about supplements, then feel free to talk shit it's not a problem. My bodyfat is fairly low. I don't plan on binge eating. I'm gonna stay lean, but try and be as shredded as possible. I'd love to answer your questions. By the way, I am 5'10" and 134 lbs.

[king6 II]

Congrats on dealing with your substance abuse problem, hopefully you can leave that all in your past. As far as steroids go, they are not the answer. One vice should not be replaced with another. You are very lean, too lean for AAS. Anadrol gains are mostly water, when you stop you literally piss your gains away. Anadrol is also toxic to the liver and should not be considered as a stand alone cycle. I would focus on gaining weight naturally first. Nutrition is what will get you back on track.

[toxicflow]

Congrats on dealing with your substance abuse problem, hopefully you can leave that all in your past. As far as steroids go, they are not the answer. One vice should not be replaced with another. You are very lean, too lean for AAS. Anadrol gains are mostly water, when you stop you literally piss your gains away. Anadrol is also toxic to the liver and should not be considered as a stand alone cycle. I would focus on gaining weight naturally first. Opiates do terrible things to the body, and nutrition is what will get you back on track.

You are right. However, I am doing this for my own personal experiment. Regarding substances, I have no problems with addiction. They really aren't as addictive (to me at least) as you might think. First time I took *, it felt better than any * I've done, simply because tolerance blunts the effects of those substances. Regarding the anadrol, like I said, I did not purchase them, they came as freebies. I was going to try something milder, because I do not want that water weight. But, the people taking anadrol are eating a bunch, which is a major factor in water retention.

[toxicflow]

Another thought I had. Usually the people who are using steroids are the people who have almost, if not, hit their ceiling. If you go beyond that, of course you will lose it. But if you use steroids to reach limits that could be obtained naturally, I predict the losses will not be nearly as devastating.

[slfmade]

It's against the rules here to talk about recreational drugs.

[king6 II]

The water weight with anadrol is a result of the effects the drug has on the estrogen receptor, anadrol has some very harsh side effects, some of the strongest of any anabolic steroid. I can not in good conscience recommend you use it, especially by itself. Anadrol will shut down your body's natural production of testosterone which can lead to long term negative effects, such as permanent shut down, gynocomastia, depression, ect.. It is true that most people will use AAS to break through genetic limitation or limitations that could otherwise not be achieved by diet however, any new muscle gained can be reasonably kept by adjusting your maintenance calories to support your new muscle growth. I just believe the risk outweighs the gains as far as you using AAS.

[toxicflow]

The water weight with anadrol is a result of the effects the drug has on the estrogen receptor, anadrol has some very harsh side effects, some of the strongest of any anabolic steroid. I can not in good conscience recommend you use it, especially by itself. Anadrol will shut down your body's natural production of testosterone which can lead to long term negative effects, such as permanent shut down, gynocomastia, depression, ect.. It is true that most people will use AAS to break through genetic limitation or limitations that could otherwise not be achieved by diet however, any new muscle gained can be reasonably kept by adjusting your maintenance calories to support your new muscle growth. I just believe the risk outweighs the gains as far as you using AAS.

Yes I don't plan on using the anadrol for more than a couple days. I'm aware of its side-effects. I did, however, obtain Anastrazole .25mg as well as temoxifen 20mg.

[toxicflow]

It's against the rules here to talk about recreational *.

thanks

[Venom]

Is this thread serious?

Eat a damn sandwich and actually start lifting weights first.

[itsjayman02]

[QUOTE="Venom;6803714"]Is this thread serious?

[itsjayman02]

Seems strange loads of threads are popping up like this

op only has a few posts!!

Always under 25

Underweight for their height

Want to run more than 1 compound

Very strange

[toxicflow]

This is taken from the NIH.gov website. BMI calculator

BMI Categories:
Underweight = <18.5
Normal weight = 18.5–24.9
Overweight = 25–29.9
Obesity = BMI of 30 or greater

My BMI for 5'10" 134lbs: 19.2

[redz]

No one here will advise you to do steroids because you clearly should not be using them 134lbs????

[toxicflow]

No one here will advise you to do steroids because you clearly should not be using them 134lbs????

Of course they will advise against. I will only be taking testosterone. In my opinion testosterone should be available to all adult males. It's currently prescribed to young adults who have low testosterone. The only difference is that I will not be using it nearly as long as those prescribed.

[slfmade]

[MuscleInk]

Of course they will advise against. I will only be taking testosterone. In my opinion testosterone should be available to all adult males. It's currently prescribed to young adults who have low testosterone. The only difference is that I will not be using it nearly as long as those prescribed.

You haven't offered a valid argument for using steroids. BMI is garbage. Don't bother with it. I had a BMI of 27% but a DEXA scan revealed 13.7% body fat. No way I was overweight.

Growth happens in the kitchen, not at the end of a syringe. Stick all the needles and gear in you that you desire. Until you've calculated your TDEE and developed a nutrition plan whereby the correct proportion of macros and daily caloric intake exceeds your current TDEE, you won't grow. If you doubt that statement, go ahead. See what happens. You will never grow without the right amount of food to reach your goals.

It's very myopic of you to think it will be one cycle and the dose will not have its set backs. Hormone manipulation should be considered very carefully. Your endocrine system and the hormones it manufactures regulate a range of essential physiological processes (mood, appetite, digestion, circadian rhythms, cognition, immune system function, sexual performance and sex drive, lipid metabolism, and more). Shutting down or impairing the natural order of your hormone environment WILL have consequences. There are several guys on here your age and younger who ran a single properly developed cycle BUT after their PCT their HTPA remained suppressed and now they are dealing with subphysiological levels of testosterone, erectile dysfunction, loss of libido, depression, myalgia, arthralgia and more.

Even during a well planned cycle, you are at risks for elevated hematocrit and RBCs (risk factors for stroke, MCI, and other cardiovascular diseases), hypercholesterolemia (high cholesterol), hypertension (high blood pressure), alopecia (hair loss), immunosuppression, and more. How will you deal with these challenges? Ignoring them is NOT an option. On top of all this, you'll need to keep your aromatization activity in check to limit dangerous elevations in estrogen.

Better nutrition and a 4-5 day/wk training program is what you need. You will see substantial gains. Steroids is NOT where you start. It's where you "finish" so to speak.

[king6 II]

You haven't offered a valid argument for using steroids. BMI is garbage. Don't bother with it. I had a BMI of 27% but a DEXA scan revealed 13.7% body fat. No way I was overweight.

Growth happens in the kitchen, not at the end of a syringe. Stick all the needles and gear in you that you desire. Until you've calculated your TDEE and developed a nutrition plan whereby the correct proportion of macros and daily caloric intake exceeds your current TDEE, you won't grow. If you doubt that statement, go ahead. See what happens. You will never grow without the right amount of food to reach your goals.

It's very myopic of you to think it will be one cycle and the dose will not have its set backs. Hormone manipulation should be considered very carefully. Your endocrine system and the hormones it manufactures regulate a range of essential physiological processes (mood, appetite, digestion, circadian rhythms, cognition, immune system function, sexual performance and sex drive, lipid metabolism, and more). Shutting down or impairing the natural order of your hormone environment WILL have consequences. There are several guys on here your age and younger who ran a single properly developed cycle BUT after their PCT their HTPA remained suppressed and now they are dealing with subphysiological levels of testosterone, erectile dysfunction, loss of libido, depression, myalgia, arthralgia and more.

Even during a well planned cycle, you are at risks for elevated hematocrit and RBCs (risk factors for stroke, MCI, and other cardiovascular diseases), hypercholesterolemia (high cholesterol), hypertension (high blood pressure), alopecia (hair loss), immunosuppression, and more. How will you deal with these challenges? Ignoring them is NOT an option. On top of all this, you'll need to keep your aromatization activity in check to limit dangerous elevations in estrogen.

Better nutrition and a 4-5 day/wk training program is what you need. You will see substantial gains. Steroids is NOT where you start. It's where you "finish" so to speak.

Great quote. I'm gonna remember that one.

[toxicflow]

Better nutrition and a 4-5 day/wk training program is what you need. You will see substantial gains. Steroids is NOT where you start. It's where you "finish" so to speak.

Using steroids when you've reached your max applies to the bodybuilding community. Testosterone is used to increase testosterone in the medical community. Prescribed to people who do not even work out. My argument is that I don't care what the bodybuilding community has to say about steroid use. It is irrelevant for my own personal experiment. If you are reaching levels that could be obtained naturally, partnered with low dosing of test for shortened periods of time, there's no reason not too. You are giving me all of these side-effects of potent anabolic steroids.

[MuscleInk]

Using steroids when you've reached your max applies to the bodybuilding community. Testosterone is used to increase testosterone in the medical community. Prescribed to people who do not even work out. My argument is that I don't care what the bodybuilding community has to say about steroid use. It is irrelevant for my own personal experiment. If you are reaching levels that could be obtained naturally, partnered with low dosing of test for shortened periods of time, there's no reason not too. You are giving me all of these side-effects of potent anabolic steroids.

No junior, I'm giving you potential risks of shutting your HTPA down with ANY exogenous hormone. The rules don't vary from recreational to professional use. Most people here ARE recreational users which is exactly what you are referring to and what I'm addressing. The biggest differences between recreational and professional users is that the latter cycles higher doses, eat more food in a day than many here do in three days, and train harder than the majority of recreational users.

The pictures you posted clearly show you need to figure out how to eat.

As for the medical community, I've been practicing medicine for almost as long as you been breathing. Experiences you may have had with one or two doctors and their prescribing patterns is not representative across medicine.

[king6 II]

Using steroids when you've reached your max applies to the bodybuilding community. Testosterone is used to increase testosterone in the medical community. Prescribed to people who do not even work out. My argument is that I don't care what the bodybuilding community has to say about steroid use. It is irrelevant for my own personal experiment. If you are reaching levels that could be obtained naturally, partnered with low dosing of test for shortened periods of time, there's no reason not too. You are giving me all of these side-effects of potent anabolic steroids.

Are you talking about just test or anadrol? Test is prescribed to people who have low t, and yes they may not work out. If you run a low dose of test for a short period of time, you are likely to still suppress your HPTA and any gains you make will be minimal and mostly water related. The issue is once you stop (assuming you run a successful PCT), if you are not eating to support your newly obtained muscle mass, then you will see your gains fade. I have ran cycles in the past. Once you stop and are on PCT, you have to deal with being shut down which is unpleasant. You deal with low sex drive, lethargy and depression. Remember even at low doses these side effects are still possible.

[itsjayman02]

No junior, I'm giving you potential risks of shutting your HTPA down with ANY exogenous hormone. The rules don't vary from recreational to professional use. Most people here ARE recreational users which is exactly what you are referring to and what I'm addressing. The biggest differences between recreational and professional users is that the latter cycles higher doses, eat more food in a day than many here do in three days, and train harder than the majority of recreational users.

The pictures you posted clearly show you need to figure out how to eat.

As for the medical community, I've been practicing medicine for almost as long as you been breathing. Experiences you may have had with one or two doctors and their prescribing patterns is not representative across medicine.

I believe threads like this one are being posted on a daily basis

Usually a pattern

Only a handful of posts
Under 25
Knowledgeable but argumentative

All I am saying is keep an eye out!!

[MuscleInk]

I believe threads like this one are being posted on a daily basis

Usually a pattern

Only a handful of posts
Under 25
Knowledgeable but argumentative

All I am saying is keep an eye out!!

Agreed. It's a trend lately.

[toxicflow]

Great way to get your post count up.

[toxicflow]

Are you talking about just test or anadrol? Test is prescribed to people who have low t, and yes they may not work out. If you run a low dose of test for a short period of time, you are likely to still suppress your HPTA and any gains you make will be minimal and mostly water related. The issue is once you stop (assuming you run a successful PCT), if you are not eating to support your newly obtained muscle mass, then you will see your gains fade. I have ran cycles in the past. Once you stop and are on PCT, you have to deal with being shut down which is unpleasant. You deal with low sex drive, lethargy and depression. Remember even at low doses these side effects are still possible.

Why would I not eat? It's like you think I have no idea what I'm doing. I create an account here to ask for opinions regarding the questions I asked. As anticipated, hostile bro-scientists begin flaming, saying that my shit will be ****ed up from using test, and that I should only use it to "finish." Okay, so I will postpone ****ing up my shit until then. It is senseless really. As I said, I am simply experimenting with the effects. Am I loading up on anadrol and test? No. I could easily quit my "cycle," as you call it, cold turkey, and I would hardly be fazed by it. A dose of 350mg of test a week for 4 to possibly 6 weeks, which I will be tapering down the last couple, will cause minor rebounds at most. Depression certainly will not affect me.

[kelkel]

Why would I not eat? It's like you think I have no idea what I'm doing. I create an account here to ask for opinions regarding the questions I asked. As anticipated, hostile bro-scientists begin flaming, saying that my shit will be ****ed up from using test, and that I should only use it to "finish." Okay, so I will postpone ****ing up my shit until then. It is senseless really. As I said, I am simply experimenting with the effects. Am I loading up on anadrol and test? No. I could easily quit my "cycle," as you call it, cold turkey, and I would hardly be fazed by it. A dose of 350mg of test a week for 4 to possibly 6 weeks, which I will be tapering down the last couple, will cause minor rebounds at most. Depression certainly will not affect me.

Please take your nonsense to another board. There's others that will welcome you with open arms. "Experiment" elsewhere.

[toxicflow]

Please take your nonsense to another board. There's others that will welcome you with open arms. "Experiment" elsewhere.

So what's your opinion on this matter?

[kelkel]

So what's your opinion on this matter?

My opinion is exactly what MI stated above. Oh, and your lazy.

[toxicflow]

Why am I lazy?

[kelkel]

You're typical of your generation. You want it now but don't want to work for it. Yet your willing to take a risk with something you have zero knowledge of, as evidenced by most of your previous posts.

[Capebuffalo]

I have to ask. Please list everything you ate today.

[toxicflow]

You're typical of your generation. You want it now but don't want to work for it. Yet your willing to take a risk with something you have zero knowledge of, as evidenced by most of your previous posts.

If you read my posts, they said I was performing an experiment. I don't give a shit about working out. I have other things that are more important to me. Like unemployment.

[redhawk01]

If you read my posts, they said I was performing an experiment. I don't give a shit about working out. I have other things that are more important to me. Like unemployment.

You mean staying unemployed? Sucking my tax paying money to sit on your a$$? If you have nothing to do anyways, lift.

[Honkey_Kong]

Don't let this guy get you riled up, he's just trolling.

[kelkel]

I read that and it makes no sense. Experiment with nutrition. Jesus, my leg almost weighs what you do. So your unemployed and it's more important to experiment with AAS than to be out there looking for work! Nice. Hopefully you don't have to experiment with a doctor when you have problems restarting due to your abundant knowledge of PCT.

I refer back to my first post. Find another forum.

[toxicflow]

For now yeah. I don't have to work. Since ignorant people are on the topic of "zero knowledge," I explain my situation. After high school, I went to college. I got kicked out the second semester. So I joined the Army. Eventually I deployed to Afghanistan, where there was a fairly nice gym. Now, PT was not mandatory. But I figured while everyone was sitting around doing nothing, I would start working out. By the end of the deployment, I was in the best shape of my life. I had the highest PT score in the entire company. It wasn't that difficult though because there are so many shit bags. So I know a thing or two about lifting. I do not choose to bulk up. I had a great athletic physique. I had also been taking classes which I transferred to a state university to finish my bachelor's once I was discharged. I had also invested in bitcoin in 2011. And the return has been astronomical. So, I will find a job in due time. Right now I am just experimenting with whatever I find interesting.

[GSXRvi6]

Why would I not eat? It's like you think I have no idea what I'm doing. I create an account here to ask for opinions regarding the questions I asked. As anticipated, hostile bro-scientists begin flaming, saying that my shit will be ****ed up from using test, and that I should only use it to "finish." Okay, so I will postpone ****ing up my shit until then. It is senseless really. As I said, I am simply experimenting with the effects. Am I loading up on anadrol and test? No. I could easily quit my "cycle," as you call it, cold turkey, and I would hardly be fazed by it. A dose of 350mg of test a week for 4 to possibly 6 weeks, which I will be tapering down the last couple, will cause minor rebounds at most. Depression certainly will not affect me.

Not sure why your on here asking questions, sounds like you know everything already?

My predictions for your experiment:

350mg per week for 6 weeks will shut you down, your balls will shrink (yes dumb ass, your balls shrink up)
You don't eat so you won't grow.
Your skin will get oily, you could get really bad acne
I would say your RBC and iron would rise but probably not since your starving.
I doubt you'll have gyno issues cause your so damn scrawny you may not convert much estrogen, but then again, you may grow yourself a pair of tits, varies from person to person.
After you "taper down" you probably won't be affected by depression from low T because I assume your already depressed.

350mg per week for 6 weeks your going to get to experience a thing called "Low T" when your done
With low T, you will experience depression
Your dick won't work anymore (you probably don't use it now anyway)
You'll lose muscle, well, maybe, you don't have any now
You'll put on weight - scratch that you don't eat
You'll have mood swings
Your sleep will be shitty


Then while suffering low-T I hope you don't go and do something stupid like commit suicide so that you will be another one that "steroids took" for being a dumb ass.

bro-science FTW!

[kelkel]

For now yeah. I don't have to work. Since ignorant people are on the topic of "zero knowledge," I explain my situation. After high school, I went to college. I got kicked out the second semester. So I joined the Army. Eventually I deployed to Afghanistan, where there was a fairly nice gym. Now, PT was not mandatory. But I figured while everyone was sitting around doing nothing, I would start working out. By the end of the deployment, I was in the best shape of my life. I had the highest PT score in the entire company. It wasn't that difficult though because there are so many shit bags. So I know a thing or two about lifting. I do not choose to bulk up. I had a great athletic physique. I had also been taking classes which I transferred to a state university to finish my bachelor's once I was discharged. I had also invested in bitcoin in 2011. And the return has been astronomical. So, I will find a job in due time. Right now I am just experimenting with whatever I find interesting.

Fantastic. Experiment at bodybuilding.com.

[toxicflow]

82nd Airborne. I run like the wind.

The website that sells those scam supplements? Can't imagine those geniuses would be any smarter.

[MuscleInk]

<img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=148257"/>
82nd Airborne. I run like the wind.

The website that sells those scam supplements? Can't imagine those geniuses would be any smarter.

No you float like the wind because you weigh as much as a butterfly.

What..... was the disclaimer on the Buysteroids dot com to difficult for you to read?!?! Maybe if it was pictures or cartoons it would be more comprehensible to your childish mind? News flash Einstein, most of the products sold in nutrition stores making those lofty claims about 200% gains or getting leaner in 10 days - ya, creative marketing. Bet you feel for that crap too. That's why it's a billion dollar industry; making money of ignorant kids who think they now everything but couldn't find their own ass without Google its location. Heaven forbid you'd be expected to THINK about purchases.

Why are you still here? Go join the ladies at bb dot com. You can compare vaginas. We have better things to do than argue with the village idiot who's trading a history of abuse for more abuse.

Good riddance. We'll make sure the door does slap you on your ass when you finally expire or leave, either will do just fine.

Or stick around. Many more senior members will be here soon and will certainly enjoy bitch slapping you some more.

Later guys. You deal with this kid. I've had bowel movements with more personality than this infant.

[Schwarzenegger]

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