23 yo Male Steroid Use of a Work-Out Beginner

[MuscleInk]

Of course they will advise against. I will only be taking testosterone. In my opinion testosterone should be available to all adult males. It's currently prescribed to young adults who have low testosterone. The only difference is that I will not be using it nearly as long as those prescribed.

You haven't offered a valid argument for using steroids. BMI is garbage. Don't bother with it. I had a BMI of 27% but a DEXA scan revealed 13.7% body fat. No way I was overweight.

Growth happens in the kitchen, not at the end of a syringe. Stick all the needles and gear in you that you desire. Until you've calculated your TDEE and developed a nutrition plan whereby the correct proportion of macros and daily caloric intake exceeds your current TDEE, you won't grow. If you doubt that statement, go ahead. See what happens. You will never grow without the right amount of food to reach your goals.

It's very myopic of you to think it will be one cycle and the dose will not have its set backs. Hormone manipulation should be considered very carefully. Your endocrine system and the hormones it manufactures regulate a range of essential physiological processes (mood, appetite, digestion, circadian rhythms, cognition, immune system function, sexual performance and sex drive, lipid metabolism, and more). Shutting down or impairing the natural order of your hormone environment WILL have consequences. There are several guys on here your age and younger who ran a single properly developed cycle BUT after their PCT their HTPA remained suppressed and now they are dealing with subphysiological levels of testosterone, erectile dysfunction, loss of libido, depression, myalgia, arthralgia and more.

Even during a well planned cycle, you are at risks for elevated hematocrit and RBCs (risk factors for stroke, MCI, and other cardiovascular diseases), hypercholesterolemia (high cholesterol), hypertension (high blood pressure), alopecia (hair loss), immunosuppression, and more. How will you deal with these challenges? Ignoring them is NOT an option. On top of all this, you'll need to keep your aromatization activity in check to limit dangerous elevations in estrogen.

Better nutrition and a 4-5 day/wk training program is what you need. You will see substantial gains. Steroids is NOT where you start. It's where you "finish" so to speak.

[king6 II]

You haven't offered a valid argument for using steroids. BMI is garbage. Don't bother with it. I had a BMI of 27% but a DEXA scan revealed 13.7% body fat. No way I was overweight.

Growth happens in the kitchen, not at the end of a syringe. Stick all the needles and gear in you that you desire. Until you've calculated your TDEE and developed a nutrition plan whereby the correct proportion of macros and daily caloric intake exceeds your current TDEE, you won't grow. If you doubt that statement, go ahead. See what happens. You will never grow without the right amount of food to reach your goals.

It's very myopic of you to think it will be one cycle and the dose will not have its set backs. Hormone manipulation should be considered very carefully. Your endocrine system and the hormones it manufactures regulate a range of essential physiological processes (mood, appetite, digestion, circadian rhythms, cognition, immune system function, sexual performance and sex drive, lipid metabolism, and more). Shutting down or impairing the natural order of your hormone environment WILL have consequences. There are several guys on here your age and younger who ran a single properly developed cycle BUT after their PCT their HTPA remained suppressed and now they are dealing with subphysiological levels of testosterone, erectile dysfunction, loss of libido, depression, myalgia, arthralgia and more.

Even during a well planned cycle, you are at risks for elevated hematocrit and RBCs (risk factors for stroke, MCI, and other cardiovascular diseases), hypercholesterolemia (high cholesterol), hypertension (high blood pressure), alopecia (hair loss), immunosuppression, and more. How will you deal with these challenges? Ignoring them is NOT an option. On top of all this, you'll need to keep your aromatization activity in check to limit dangerous elevations in estrogen.

Better nutrition and a 4-5 day/wk training program is what you need. You will see substantial gains. Steroids is NOT where you start. It's where you "finish" so to speak.

Great quote. I'm gonna remember that one.

[toxicflow]

Better nutrition and a 4-5 day/wk training program is what you need. You will see substantial gains. Steroids is NOT where you start. It's where you "finish" so to speak.

Using steroids when you've reached your max applies to the bodybuilding community. Testosterone is used to increase testosterone in the medical community. Prescribed to people who do not even work out. My argument is that I don't care what the bodybuilding community has to say about steroid use. It is irrelevant for my own personal experiment. If you are reaching levels that could be obtained naturally, partnered with low dosing of test for shortened periods of time, there's no reason not too. You are giving me all of these side-effects of potent anabolic steroids.

[MuscleInk]

Using steroids when you've reached your max applies to the bodybuilding community. Testosterone is used to increase testosterone in the medical community. Prescribed to people who do not even work out. My argument is that I don't care what the bodybuilding community has to say about steroid use. It is irrelevant for my own personal experiment. If you are reaching levels that could be obtained naturally, partnered with low dosing of test for shortened periods of time, there's no reason not too. You are giving me all of these side-effects of potent anabolic steroids.

No junior, I'm giving you potential risks of shutting your HTPA down with ANY exogenous hormone. The rules don't vary from recreational to professional use. Most people here ARE recreational users which is exactly what you are referring to and what I'm addressing. The biggest differences between recreational and professional users is that the latter cycles higher doses, eat more food in a day than many here do in three days, and train harder than the majority of recreational users.

The pictures you posted clearly show you need to figure out how to eat.

As for the medical community, I've been practicing medicine for almost as long as you been breathing. Experiences you may have had with one or two doctors and their prescribing patterns is not representative across medicine.

[king6 II]

Using steroids when you've reached your max applies to the bodybuilding community. Testosterone is used to increase testosterone in the medical community. Prescribed to people who do not even work out. My argument is that I don't care what the bodybuilding community has to say about steroid use. It is irrelevant for my own personal experiment. If you are reaching levels that could be obtained naturally, partnered with low dosing of test for shortened periods of time, there's no reason not too. You are giving me all of these side-effects of potent anabolic steroids.

Are you talking about just test or anadrol? Test is prescribed to people who have low t, and yes they may not work out. If you run a low dose of test for a short period of time, you are likely to still suppress your HPTA and any gains you make will be minimal and mostly water related. The issue is once you stop (assuming you run a successful PCT), if you are not eating to support your newly obtained muscle mass, then you will see your gains fade. I have ran cycles in the past. Once you stop and are on PCT, you have to deal with being shut down which is unpleasant. You deal with low sex drive, lethargy and depression. Remember even at low doses these side effects are still possible.

[toxicflow]

Are you talking about just test or anadrol? Test is prescribed to people who have low t, and yes they may not work out. If you run a low dose of test for a short period of time, you are likely to still suppress your HPTA and any gains you make will be minimal and mostly water related. The issue is once you stop (assuming you run a successful PCT), if you are not eating to support your newly obtained muscle mass, then you will see your gains fade. I have ran cycles in the past. Once you stop and are on PCT, you have to deal with being shut down which is unpleasant. You deal with low sex drive, lethargy and depression. Remember even at low doses these side effects are still possible.

Why would I not eat? It's like you think I have no idea what I'm doing. I create an account here to ask for opinions regarding the questions I asked. As anticipated, hostile bro-scientists begin flaming, saying that my shit will be ****ed up from using test, and that I should only use it to "finish." Okay, so I will postpone ****ing up my shit until then. It is senseless really. As I said, I am simply experimenting with the effects. Am I loading up on anadrol and test? No. I could easily quit my "cycle," as you call it, cold turkey, and I would hardly be fazed by it. A dose of 350mg of test a week for 4 to possibly 6 weeks, which I will be tapering down the last couple, will cause minor rebounds at most. Depression certainly will not affect me.

[kelkel]

Why would I not eat? It's like you think I have no idea what I'm doing. I create an account here to ask for opinions regarding the questions I asked. As anticipated, hostile bro-scientists begin flaming, saying that my shit will be ****ed up from using test, and that I should only use it to "finish." Okay, so I will postpone ****ing up my shit until then. It is senseless really. As I said, I am simply experimenting with the effects. Am I loading up on anadrol and test? No. I could easily quit my "cycle," as you call it, cold turkey, and I would hardly be fazed by it. A dose of 350mg of test a week for 4 to possibly 6 weeks, which I will be tapering down the last couple, will cause minor rebounds at most. Depression certainly will not affect me.

Please take your nonsense to another board. There's others that will welcome you with open arms. "Experiment" elsewhere.

[toxicflow]

Please take your nonsense to another board. There's others that will welcome you with open arms. "Experiment" elsewhere.

So what's your opinion on this matter?

[kelkel]

So what's your opinion on this matter?

My opinion is exactly what MI stated above. Oh, and your lazy.

[GSXRvi6]

Why would I not eat? It's like you think I have no idea what I'm doing. I create an account here to ask for opinions regarding the questions I asked. As anticipated, hostile bro-scientists begin flaming, saying that my shit will be ****ed up from using test, and that I should only use it to "finish." Okay, so I will postpone ****ing up my shit until then. It is senseless really. As I said, I am simply experimenting with the effects. Am I loading up on anadrol and test? No. I could easily quit my "cycle," as you call it, cold turkey, and I would hardly be fazed by it. A dose of 350mg of test a week for 4 to possibly 6 weeks, which I will be tapering down the last couple, will cause minor rebounds at most. Depression certainly will not affect me.

Not sure why your on here asking questions, sounds like you know everything already?

My predictions for your experiment:

350mg per week for 6 weeks will shut you down, your balls will shrink (yes dumb ass, your balls shrink up)
You don't eat so you won't grow.
Your skin will get oily, you could get really bad acne
I would say your RBC and iron would rise but probably not since your starving.
I doubt you'll have gyno issues cause your so damn scrawny you may not convert much estrogen, but then again, you may grow yourself a pair of tits, varies from person to person.
After you "taper down" you probably won't be affected by depression from low T because I assume your already depressed.

350mg per week for 6 weeks your going to get to experience a thing called "Low T" when your done
With low T, you will experience depression
Your dick won't work anymore (you probably don't use it now anyway)
You'll lose muscle, well, maybe, you don't have any now
You'll put on weight - scratch that you don't eat
You'll have mood swings
Your sleep will be shitty


Then while suffering low-T I hope you don't go and do something stupid like commit suicide so that you will be another one that "steroids took" for being a dumb ass.

bro-science FTW!

[xjay1234]

Not sure why your on here asking questions, sounds like you know everything already?

My predictions for your experiment:

350mg per week for 6 weeks will shut you down, your balls will shrink (yes dumb ass, your balls shrink up)
You don't eat so you won't grow.
Your skin will get oily, you could get really bad acne
I would say your RBC and iron would rise but probably not since your starving.
I doubt you'll have gyno issues cause your so damn scrawny you may not convert much estrogen, but then again, you may grow yourself a pair of tits, varies from person to person.
After you "taper down" you probably won't be affected by depression from low T because I assume your already depressed.

350mg per week for 6 weeks your going to get to experience a thing called "Low T" when your done
With low T, you will experience depression
Your dick won't work anymore (you probably don't use it now anyway)
You'll lose muscle, well, maybe, you don't have any now
You'll put on weight - scratch that you don't eat
You'll have mood swings
Your sleep will be shitty


Then while suffering low-T I hope you don't go and do something stupid like commit suicide so that you will be another one that "steroids took" for being a dumb ass.

bro-science FTW!

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[KCBBCLUBJOE]

Dude your a walking stick, litterly. im 16 years old, 174, and 5'9. im not great, but i'll get there. Also, test at 350 a week is a little low. Also, 4-6 weeks is nothing. at least 12 weeks. Test e starts to kick in the 4th week.

dude....you probably should not have said you're 16

[toxicflow]

I'm aware that my account is going to be 'disabled' or 'banned', but i am somewhat fine with that. It's for my own good, a 16 year old shall not be in this forum and i understand that.And Reiid13, im not trolling.

Maybe he was just trying to get your back? Because you are 18 you liar.

Plus I threaded my day 2 update