Milos Sarcev supplement timing, logical or not?

[hellomycognomen]

First I would like to say that I am a big fan of Milos, he is one of my favorite bb of all time.

He has a complete line of supplements but his theory would apply to any supplement really. Its more a matter of timing.

He states that with the induced hyperemia and increased blood flow created during working out that this provides for an ideal time to supplying your body with needed nutrients.

Your muscles are pumping, blood flow is at max potential, and therefore providing fast digesting aminos and other supplements would increase uptake.

To me this concept makes perfect sense logically, however do any of you know if this hypothesis is sound?

[Chicagotarsier]

Goes back to Glycogen and anaerobic respiration.

If your workout depletes your muscle glycogen (ALL of it not just a muscle group)
If you hit it hard and do not take breaks and allow the ATP cycle to catch up
If you have the suppliments available when the body needs them

Then yes. Solid as carbon copy what Dan Duchaine preached for years. Dan laid this out in detail and was the father of no breaks between sets and having people to load or unload during sets. He was the father of nutrition making steroids work (Before Dan the link between nutrition and roids was not preached). He outlined meal placements and supplement intake before gym activity and protein intake afterward.

You can state it with new catch phrases and put the pills in pretty colored bottles but it is the same theories.

[hellomycognomen]

what Dan Duchaine preached for years. He outlined meal placements and supplement intake before gym activity and protein intake afterward.

You can state it with new catch phrases and put the pills in pretty colored bottles but it is the same theories.

Your example was for before and after a workout where the pump is none or reduced.

My questions was more concerning the induced hyperemia and increased blood flow created during the working out.

If your muscles are pumping, blood flow at max potential, does this provide an ideal opportunity to supplement or not?

For example if you take BCAAs during the workout when muscles are pumped will this be superior to taking them at any random time of the day?

Keep in mind that here I am specifically focusing on fast digesting aminos and supplements .

[Docd187123]

Your example was for before and after a workout where the pump is none or reduced.

My questions was more concerning the induced hyperemia and increased blood flow created during the working out.

If your muscles are pumping, blood flow at max potential, does this provide an ideal opportunity to supplement or not?

For example if you take BCAAs during the workout when muscles are pumped will this be superior to taking them at any random time of the day?

Keep in mind that here I am specifically focusing on fast digesting aminos and supplements .

If you don't train fasted you will already have ample BCAAs in your system being digested and absorbed during your workout...provided you take a complete protein source.

[Times Roman]

First I would like to say that I am a big fan of Milos, he is one of my favorite bb of all time.

He has a complete line of supplements but his theory would apply to any supplement really. Its more a matter of timing.

He states that with the induced hyperemia and increased blood flow created during working out that this provides for an ideal time to supplying your body with needed nutrients.

Your muscles are pumping, blood flow is at max potential, and therefore providing fast digesting aminos and other supplements would increase uptake.

To me this concept makes perfect sense logically, however do any of you know if this hypothesis is sound?

You are referring to the anabolic window?

There are books and studies on this issue, and most will agree that the anabolic window is not as cut and dry as some would like us to believe. If you eat correctly, your body will pretty much have sufficient levels of items available for use post workout.

I think what these studies have one flaw. They probably assume there is a deficiency post workout, and in that particular case, post workout is a great time to resolve this deficiency.

I've personally read books on this subject. The book makes various assumptions and usually backs up these assumptions with footnotes that cite clinical studies, research papers, and peer reviewed articles. All of which seems to increase the credibility of the assumptions.

But again, for all this to make sense, there would need to be a deficiency during this period of time post workout we refer to as the anabolic window.

If you eat correctly, you should not have this problem.

For example, the protein in eggs will burn for 4 to 6 hours. Oats (carbs) will typically burn for a few hours as well. This should cover any deficiency if you eat enough.

The only real exception to this might be the eating of simple carbs/sugars pwo. This will spike your blood sugar levels, which in turn spikes your insulin, which is anabolic. The mistake most make when doing this is not considering this added sugar into their daily macro goals. (And if not considered, then there will be a corresponding increase to body fat %.) But the amount of a resulting insulin spike varies between individuals, and insulin, in and of itself, is not good for your body in the long run (the big spikes, I mean).

If this is something you want to look into, I'd probably just eat a banana or two post workout and move on.

Good luck!
---Roman

[Bonaparte]

Bear in mind that your digestive system slows dramatically during exercise. So that's not a great time to be ingesting a bunch of stuff.

[austinite]

The only thing anyone needs during lifting is water. Popping pills or whatever isn't going to make any impactful changes. These "Windows of opportunities" during lifts are mostly garbage theories.

[hellomycognomen]

Great points everyone. I appreciate the input.

Looks like case closed. haha.

-Cheers

[kelkel]

Bear in mind that your digestive system slows dramatically during exercise. So that's not a great time to be ingesting a bunch of stuff.

The only thing anyone needs during lifting is water. Popping pills or whatever isn't going to make any impactful changes. These "Windows of opportunities" during lifts are mostly garbage theories.

Both of the above. Remember Milos is selling a product. It's as simple as that.

[Chicagotarsier]

You have to go outside the window of homeostasis unless there is an incredible need for an item.

To generate need you have to either deplentish glycogen completely or enter the citric acid cycle.

The only thing max bloodflow would do in my opinion is actually lessen need because of glucose transport from stored regions like liver and other muscles.

45 minutes at 70% max heart rate enters you into the citric acid cycle (without helpers like T3 or Clen).

Glucose replenishment is not a body priority until the brain cannot find what it needs to function....then...you enter citric acid cycle. The citric acid cycle requires many different types of acids and aminos which are not found in large quantities in the body. This in turn makes need. Need only for the items in the citric acid cycle production list.

I will state a possible caveat in this. EXTREMELY low calorie diet (1000 or less calorie a day) with dehydration and extremely low bodyfat (<8%). Your body is already in the citric acid cycle and anything you put in would benefit from the increased metabolism as long as you do not pass out. So if there is a time for your theory I would wager it is while cutting and at the end of your cycle.

Your example was for before and after a workout where the pump is none or reduced.

My questions was more concerning the induced hyperemia and increased blood flow created during the working out.

If your muscles are pumping, blood flow at max potential, does this provide an ideal opportunity to supplement or not?

For example if you take BCAAs during the workout when muscles are pumped will this be superior to taking them at any random time of the day?

Keep in mind that here I am specifically focusing on fast digesting aminos and supplements .

[hellomycognomen]

To generate need you have to either deplentish glycogen completely or enter the citric acid cycle.

Not sure I understand what you are talking about. ATP?

The only thing max bloodflow would do in my opinion is actually lessen need because of glucose transport from stored regions like liver and other muscles.

The theory was that the increased bloodflow would provide an ideal condition to transport and assimilate nutrients. Whether that is glucose, aminos, creatine, etc

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I think the intellectual consensus here was that as long as you provide the needed nutrients to the body (timing being generally irrelevant), the body will store, transport, assimilate, etc as the body sees fit.

So if I understood correctly from everyone, providing nutrients during max blood flow to the muscles (ie while working out) would generally be no more effective than providing the nutrient pre/post or at any other time of the day.

[oldskool72]

Thomas Fahey "insulin loading" used decades ago.