So when would you full maturity is at 25? Also couldn't I just use an ai on cycle plus isn't atrophy of the testes on cycle a normal thing to happen from what everybody seems to say and then after the cycle they go back to normal or is that wrong? Sorry if you think I'm trying to be condescending or trying to act like a know it all because I don't and that's why I'm here to learn so I'm sorry if these questions make me sound like a dick lol!