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When I use to use insulin and was always checking my blood sugar I found that the bubbly piss has a lot to do with blood sugar level.... Now that being said if my blood sugar was super high I'm sure my protein intake was also very high but I always thought the bubbles were from carbsOriginally Posted by NACH3
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Could be a combo?! It does make sense regarding sugar levels as well... I personally don't have any experience w/slin... But I wouldn't be surprised if it's a combo of all macros(I would think) due to each being able to be stored away if not burned off, then some amount of each could be secreted, also?...
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Bubbly piss doesn't mean wasted protein.
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What does it mean? It's something(that the body is expelling!)
Your body can not absorb all macros, hence them getting stored as fat/sugars etc if not used as fuel!!
Last edited by NACH3; 03-17-2015 at 07:48 AM.
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Absorption is not the same as utilization, you're confusing the two terms here. Absorption means that once something has been digested mechanically and chemically by your teeth and enzymes, the nutrients pass into the blood stream. Utilization refers to what they end up being used for.
Protein will never be stored as fat in any realistic scenario. He pathways exist for it to happen but like I said earlier the chances of it happening are so small you're better off playing mega millions and hoping to win the jackpot.
Carbs are very rarely stored as fat. This myth was started from research on rats who process carbs much differently than humans. In humans it's a distant concern.
Dietary fat is the only macro that's always stored as fat.
Your body most certainly will digest and absorb as well as utilize all macros provided you're healthy and no medical issues.
Bubbly urine is simply the by product of a hun protein diet. There's more nitrogen in the body that needs to be processed and expelled as well as other nutrients.
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I agree... There is a precise difference in utilization and absorption! That's why I'm saying it's impossible to absorb all your macros(why we all eat more than the usual person(this does not mean we are utilizing every macro we take in)!
I really don't believe that you think you believe that carbs don't get stored as fat... What myth is this?
Too much of any(macro) if not utilized will be stored away until one goes on a caloric deficit to utilize that stored fuel first... The more we take in over our TDEE the more it could be stored away, and spill over is gonna happen!
Last edited by NACH3; 03-17-2015 at 08:20 AM.
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Absorption happens right after digestion. Absorption means the nutrients get into your blood stream, which again barring any medical or GI issues, happens at almost a 100% efficiency rate. We do absorb and utilize almost everything, macro and calorie wise, we eat.
The creation of fat from carbohydrates is de novo lipogenesis or DNL. DNL is much more prevalent in rats bc they process carbs differently than humans do. This idea that if too many carbs are eaten they'll convert to fat is based off fat models and studies not humans. It's not that common In humans. You need to be in a hypercaloric state and eat enough carbs that you fully replenish glycogen stores as well as exceed your energy needs for the day.
Here's one study showing 500g of carbs taken
Am J Clin Nutr. 1987 Jan;45(1):78-85. Links
Carbohydrate metabolism and de novo lipogenesis in human obesity.
Acheson KJ, Schutz Y, Bessard T, Flatt JP, Jéquier E.
Respiratory exchange was measured during 14 consecutive hours in six lean and six obese individuals after ingestion of 500 g of dextrin maltose to investigate and compare their capacity for net de novo lipogenesis. After ingestion of the carbohydrate load, metabolic rates rose similarly in both groups but fell earlier and more rapidly in the obese. RQs also rose rapidly and remained in the range of 0.95 to 1.00 for approximately 8 h in both groups. During this time, RQ exceeded 1.00 for only short periods of time with the result that 4 +/- 1 g and 5 +/- 3 g (NS) of fat were synthesized via de novo lipogenesis in excess of concomitant fat oxidation in the lean and obese subjects, respectively. Results demonstrate that net de novo lipid synthesis from an unusually large carbohydrate load is not greater in obese than in lean individuals.
This is an overly simplistic and not a fully accurate description of what happens. Too much protein will never be stored away to create fat. Try as hard as you might this is not going to happen in humans.Too much of any(macro) if not utilized will be stored away until one goes on a caloric deficit to utilize that stored fuel first... The more we take in over our TDEE the more it could be stored away, and spill over is gonna happen!
Too many carbs can in certain circumstances be stored as fat but this is not as common as it's made out to be.
All the fat you eat will be stored as fat.
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Im on my mobile but here's a fact about expelling protein via urine!
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What does protein in urine mean?
It just means that some of the proteins you've ingested are being pushed out of your body as waste. Well, you'll most always have some protein in your urine, as trace amounts of protein are excreted in your urine as part of normal urine production. The concern is when you have TOO MUCH protein in your urine. This is a symptom known as proteinuria.
What are the signs of protein in urine?
How can you tell when you have too much protein in your urine? One of the tell-tale signs of too much is when your urine is very foamy, frothy or bubbly. Another way to diagnose proteinuria would be through a urinalysis.
What causes the protein in urine?
What is most likely happening is your body is not breaking down certain proteins properly, or you have been ingesting too much protein for your body to absorb and utilize. When your kidneys are filtering your blood, excess chemicals, minerals, etc are removed. In this case, your body could not metabolize these proteins for one reason or another, so they are expelled from your body in your urine.
When you have a high concentration of protein in your urine, the protein reacts with the air as you urinate, and you notice it when it hits the water, creating foamy or bubbly urine you may see from time to time.
Sometimes you may experience this foamy urine or bubbly urine after eating a lot of fish, chicken and other meats. These meats contain muco-proteins. People who take a lot of protein supplements, such as whey protein powder, may see this bubbly urine as well. Why is this? Well, if your body is not breaking down these proteins efficiently, the protein is usually expelled from your body in your urine. The proteins, when combined with the air, then produce a foamy or bubbly urine. Proteinuria caused by eating too much protein in your diet is, of course, temporary, and the proteinuria should diminish as you reduce the amount of protein you are consuming.
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Remember I said in healthy individuals....someone with proteinuria is not a healthy individual.
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^^^^ from kidney.orgWhat is proteinuria?
Proteinuria means you have protein in your urine.
The kidneys act as filters and keep protein in your body. Very little or no protein normally appears in the urine.
Protein in the urine may be an early sign that the kidney's filters have been damaged by disease, allowing protein to leak into the urine.
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Proteinuria is simply too much protein one has taken in(resulting in foamy bubbly urine)... Most all BBers(or athletes)will consume more protein than they need! This does not mean they are unhealthy by pissing it out! It happens! It's just reality... I'm not saying it's the best decision but I would rather take in more than less and secrete some as it states there's always some protein in urine(how much is obviously dependent on persons height/weight)
Also you were the one who brought up the 500g dose of protein earlier then you want to go back and say how hard it would be to not only consume that much but digesting it and utilizing it would be damn near impossible...which = spill over.... More common then ya think...
Last edited by NACH3; 03-17-2015 at 01:29 PM.
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Proteinuria is NOT too much protein taken in. It is excess protein found in urine. It can be a sign of diabetes, kidney disease or failure, pregnancy, etc. Many causes of this are indicative of an unhealthy individual but you're right not all cases. Working out can raise your urea and that's not dependent on protein intake. Neither is heatt exposure, stress, etc.
I also see where you're going off track. Urine protein tests measure serum albumin a protein synthesized by the liver. Albumin protein is NOT the same as dietary protein. Look into this as this is where I think you're missing the point. High dietary protein intake increases the liver's synthesis of a serum protein called albumin. When you do urine tests they measure for albumin NOT dietary protein. So there is no spillover as you're calling it of dietary protein as that's not what's being measured or tested for.
I also don't recall mentioning 500g of protein in this thread. I mentioned 500g of carbs and DNL but of you could quote where I said that so I can follow you is appreciate it.
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