Cycle comments - Test E & Tren E

[NACH3]

HCG is not necesary. I have done 20 cycles without it. I believe it will ease Your recovery, but a good clomid/nolva/mental ride, will help. And you will avoid HCG sides. HCG involves sideeffects. No question.

But after studying, hcg is the 1. Choice, but man... its not necesary. Just be more fanatic with things when you`re off.
And i dont think hcg is more healthy. It just speeds up recovery and i guess its easier to keep the gains.

HCG is necessary on cycle to help mimick LH production and it keeps your testes functional which aids in recovery - we preach SAFE AAS use on this site - please refrain from making comments like that - thx Sil

[AR's King Silabolin]

HCG is necessary on cycle to help mimick LH production and it keeps your testes functional which aids in recovery - we preach SAFE AAS use on this site - please refrain from making comments like that - thx Sil

It speeds up recovery, but its not necesary. Ive done over 20 cycles without it. Stil good Health and recovery was ig not optimal pretty ok. Many friends just the same.
And dont give me the SAFE AAS-use shittalk. Most supported cycles in here are 12 weeks + with lots of high tren dosages and lots of test. Iver never did 12 weeks +. 8, maybe 9 at most. I guess guys with a newbie knowledge understand a 12 week+ tren cycle with hcg is more unhealthy than a 8 weeks test/anavar cycle without hcg.

Hcg does nothing for your lipids, hct, BP. And in the long run it will not aid your natty test production. HCG is suppressive aswell.

[NACH3]

It speeds up recovery, but its not necesary. Ive done over 20 cycles without it. Stil good Health and recovery was ig not optimal pretty ok. Many friends just the same.
And dont give me the SAFE AAS-use shittalk. Most supported cycles in here are 12 weeks + with lots of high tren dosages and lots of test. Iver never did 12 weeks +. 8, maybe 9 at most. I guess guys with a newbie knowledge understand a 12 week+ tren cycle with hcg is more unhealthy than a 8 weeks test/anavar cycle without hcg.

Hcg does nothing for your lipids, hct, BP. And in the long run it will not aid your natty test production. HCG is suppressive aswell.

It's a shame you haven't moved forward like science has in regards to cycling... In most of your threads you refer to cycling back in day and youse didn't have to use this or that... Well why wouldn't you want to use/& take all preventative measures so when you do go thru PCT you will be giving yourself a better chance of recovering(let's face it this is the most important part of cycling in itself - recovery) so I'll use your argument against you...

How can you compare cycles when in reality shut down is shut down - HCG will mimick LH production, keeps your testes functional on cycle(which is why it speeds up recovery b/c your testes are the last to come back - so why not give yourself that advantage as well), prevents testicular atrophy, stimulates your interstitial cells(leydig cells) 'which we don't have an ever ending supply'(austinite) of...

You say you've ran 20 cycles w/out it - great - just don't tell others it's not a necessity b/c of your ignorance. Furthermore, yes it is a suppressive, however, if taken w/in its dosages(500iu wkly) - although it can be higher(not exceeding 1000iu wkly) - but 2 250iu shots wkly has minuscule suppression effects in U.S. - hence why we use those amounts... Really this is about how we have all of the preventative ancillaries now(btw - you've seem to forgot these in your last cycle as well as HCG) out here that why wouldn't you take them... I'm not saying that if it has a negative impact on you to do so - but the drugs we have are for a reason - if Arnold had these in his day do you think that he wouldn't have used them... Of course he would have along w/today's BBers(if they didn't and ran as much gear as they do they'd be dead)...

[AR's King Silabolin]

It's a shame you haven't moved forward like science has in regards to cycling... In most of your threads you refer to cycling back in day and youse didn't have to use this or that... Well why wouldn't you want to use/& take all preventative measures so when you do go thru PCT you will be giving yourself a better chance of recovering(let's face it this is the most important part of cycling in itself - recovery) so I'll use your argument against you...

How can you compare cycles when in reality shut down is shut down - HCG will mimick LH production, keeps your testes functional on cycle(which is why it speeds up recovery b/c your testes are the last to come back - so why not give yourself that advantage as well), prevents testicular atrophy, stimulates your interstitial cells(leydig cells) 'which we don't have an ever ending supply'(austinite) of...

You say you've ran 20 cycles w/out it - great - just don't tell others it's not a necessity b/c of your ignorance. Furthermore, yes it is a suppressive, however, if taken w/in its dosages(500iu wkly) - although it can be higher(not exceeding 1000iu wkly) - but 2 250iu shots wkly has minuscule suppression effects in U.S. - hence why we use those amounts... Really this is about how we have all of the preventative ancillaries now(btw - you've seem to forgot these in your last cycle as well as HCG) out here that why wouldn't you take them... I'm not saying that if it has a negative impact on you to do so - but the drugs we have are for a reason - if Arnold had these in his day do you think that he wouldn't have used them... Of course he would have along w/today's BBers(if they didn't and ran as much gear as they do they'd be dead)...

Thanks for comparing me with Arnold. I do have legs though..
Anyway, all you say i do agree on, but its the word necessary i dont like. And Mr Kramer used that word too. Some kind of liversupport is NECESSARY when you go high and long on orals. Donating often is NECESSARY when you use 2 grams a week. But doing squats is not necessary for developing good thighs. For Maximum Development many wil say its necessary. But its not necessary to mimmick lh signals and having big balls when on. It will help the recovery for sure, but in the long trem it doesnt matter. I have not seen documentation that the use of HCG will increase the chanses for not destroying the HPG axis on a permanent basis. Then again it will just delay the muscleloss. As nolva and clomid. Its just a postponement. In 6-7 months you will be were u started nomatter if u used hcg, nolva or clomid or not.
For optimal quick recovery HCG is necessary. For recovery, no its not. After the years there is ofcourse no pct or anchilleries in the world which will make it possible to keep some of the roidcaused gains from a cycle. on a permanent basis. When the drugs are gone, the body will customize until it matches your natural dna.

[RangerDanger830]

It is not necessary to do a lot of things. It is not necessary to cycle in the first place, it is not necessary to add more than Test to a cycle, it is not even necessary to do PCT. But doing those things can be better right?

Spoiler alert, the answer is yes.

So no HCG is not necessary, it doesn't matter if you've done four thousand cycles without it and haven't died. What matters is that it does help minimize issues with the cycle, you even admitted it yourself.

So why even bother telling everyone who reads this read that it isn't necessary? What purpose does it serve other than increasing the risk that they may attempt a cycle without it? Any cycle is better with HCG, so stop recommending crap, just like NACH said.

EDIT: Oh Lord have mercy. I just read your comment about DNA. As someone who has graduate level education and work experience as a geneticist I can tell you that your understanding of the human body in regards to genetics is way off base.

You don't stop a compound and revert back to some mythical genetic state of equilibrium. Do you understand the concept of epigenetics?

[AR's King Silabolin]

So no HCG is not necessary, it doesn't matter if you've done four thousand cycles without it and haven't died. What matters is that it does help minimize issues with the cycle, you even admitted it yourself.

So why even bother telling everyone who reads this read that it isn't necessary? What purpose does it serve other than increasing the risk that they may attempt a cycle without it? Any cycle is better with HCG, so stop recommending crap, just like NACH said.

EDIT: Oh Lord have mercy. I just read your comment about DNA. As someone who has graduate level education and work experience as a geneticist I can tell you that your understanding of the human body in regards to genetics is way off base.

You don't stop a compound and revert back to some mythical genetic state of equilibrium. Do you understand the concept of epigenetics?

He asked, is it necessary? Its not. It will minimize short term recovery issues. Endocrine issues that is. For lipids and other more serious conditions it will not do shit. And that endocrin thing is short term. For lifelong testlevel and natty production it will if any make thing worse. Its ileagal. It has sideeffects.
Oh lord...you really dont get it. Yes, its better to run HCG on cycle or even post cycle. Its speeds up recovery and it makes sure the balls dont fall to sleep and have to be awakened afterwards. But, coming off roids are a pain in the ass anyway and even if i never tried hcg, its always the same store from EVERYBODY. When you quit, the gains will fade away. Conclusion, HCG is not necessary but for optimal recovery its necessary but optimal recovery is not necessary. Meaning, if you can get it, use it, if not, its should not be an argue for going natty.

Well Mr DNA-doc. Its not necessary to bring in scientific Words. If your natty benchpress 1 Max rep is 140 kg, a good cycle will give you 160, but when the drugs are gone, its will drop to 140 like a fart in the wind, cause 140 is written in your DNA. You know...DNA..color of eyes, your heigh, sexual orientation and natty benchpress 1MR.

All this reminds me of the deca-only-cycle.thread. Its a great forum, but old dogs in here are too stuck in the Box compared to other communities.

[tarmyg]

He asked, is it necessary? Its not. It will minimize short term recovery issues. Endocrine issues that is. For lipids and other more serious conditions it will not do shit. And that endocrin thing is short term. For lifelong testlevel and natty production it will if any make thing worse. Its ileagal. It has sideeffects.
Oh lord...you really dont get it. Yes, its better to run HCG on cycle or even post cycle. Its speeds up recovery and it makes sure the balls dont fall to sleep and have to be awakened afterwards. But, coming off roids are a pain in the ass anyway and even if i never tried hcg, its always the same store from EVERYBODY. When you quit, the gains will fade away. Conclusion, HCG is not necessary but for optimal recovery its necessary but optimal recovery is not necessary. Meaning, if you can get it, use it, if not, its should not be an argue for going natty.

Well Mr DNA-doc. Its not necessary to bring in scientific Words. If your natty benchpress 1 Max rep is 140 kg, a good cycle will give you 160, but when the drugs are gone, its will drop to 140 like a fart in the wind, cause 140 is written in your DNA. You know...DNA..color of eyes, your heigh, sexual orientation and natty benchpress 1MR.

All this reminds me of the deca-only-cycle.thread. Its a great forum, but old dogs in here are too stuck in the Box compared to other communities.

Your attitude is super nonchalant and arrogant and I have no idea why! Clearly everyone, with the exception of me knows way more than you on this subject but you have decided to argue about things people discovered as a necessity a decade ago, again I ask why? So my grandpa smoked 65 years, never got lung cancer, do that prove cigarettes do not cause lung cancer? This is essentially your attitude and again, why?

[NACH3]

Thanks for comparing me with Arnold. I do have legs though..
Anyway, all you say i do agree on, but its the word necessary i dont like. And Mr Kramer used that word too. Some kind of liversupport is NECESSARY when you go high and long on orals. Donating often is NECESSARY when you use 2 grams a week. But doing squats is not necessary for developing good thighs. For Maximum Development many wil say its necessary. But its not necessary to mimmick lh signals and having big balls when on. It will help the recovery for sure, but in the long trem it doesnt matter. I have not seen documentation that the use of HCG will increase the chanses for not destroying the HPG axis on a permanent basis. Then again it will just delay the muscleloss. As nolva and clomid. Its just a postponement. In 6-7 months you will be were u started nomatter if u used hcg, nolva or clomid or not.
For optimal quick recovery HCG is necessary. For recovery, no its not. After the years there is ofcourse no pct or anchilleries in the world which will make it possible to keep some of the roidcaused gains from a cycle. on a permanent basis. When the drugs are gone, the body will customize until it matches your natural dna.

Your hilarious... And no I wasn't even considering your build to Arnolds(and btw his legs are/were bigger than most realize) and surely bigger than yours but that's not the argument...

I really don't get what your even trying to say in this post, Sil... Liver support?!?! It's needed on all cycles(not just for orals - I don't understand the skimping on liver support as its the cheapest supp we have lol) Well it's clear you still can't put together a cycle correctly nor use the preventive measures we have for safe cycling(ancillaries etc) & have failed to run an AI/HCG/& a DA when running a 19nor when stacked in your cycle! It wouldn't have been much of a problem if your E2 wasn't as high as a pregnant woman lol... Keep E2 in check and prolactin won't be an issue... But you'd need an AI for that...

Now back to HCG - I agre w/Ranger here as to why you'd even say it's not necessary when you yourself even agrees it will aid in recovery(let's face it Sil it's the most important part to a cycle(PCT) and HCG helps aid in the recovery process! It is necessary to mimick LH production, furthermore, in a perfect scenerio it's best to run both HCG and HMG P(which mimickes FSH) which is needed for the production of spermatozoa... So by you saying it's not necessary I'll say it again it IS... W/out these hormones you'd become sterile(which is still a possibility when cycling - especially if your hypogonadal)!

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html