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[TheTaxMan]

Well done
Any before and after pics?

[DGenRit]

Well done
Any before and after pics?

Yeah - for sure. Here you go. Don't laugh!!! Lol - I really let myself go as you can see.

[NACH3]

Yeah - for sure. Here you go. Don't laugh!!! Lol - I really let myself go as you can see.

Yeah but you sure look great now! Well done brother!

But why do you keep saying pct... When your on HRT/TRT you just return back to your normal doses...

[DGenRit]

Yeah but you sure look great now! Well done brother!

But why do you keep saying pct... When your on HRT/TRT you just return back to your normal doses...

Well I have been advised that I need to continue on Arimidex for a few weeks post-cycle and add in HCG to ignite natural testosterone production again - even though I will stay on TRT/HRT. Do you not agree with that? Just to be clear my natural testosterone level is about 500 w/o TRT. With TRT at 125 mg per week it jumps to about 700-750.

Also I never took Arimidex while I did TRT / doses were so small at 125mg per week that I felt it wasn't necessary and I never got gyno. Do you advise otherwise?

[MrFreshmaker]

Well I have been advised that I need to continue on Arimidex for a few weeks post-cycle and add in HCG to ignite natural testosterone production again - even though I will stay on TRT/HRT. Do you not agree with that? Just to be clear my natural testosterone level is about 500 w/o TRT. With TRT at 125 mg per week it jumps to about 700-750. Also I never took Arimidex while I did TRT / doses were so small at 125mg per week that I felt it wasn't necessary and I never got hypo. Do you advise otherwise?

500 without TRT??!! Can you explain what kind of low test symptoms you had? I am younger than you and my test levels are between 500-600,and i feel great,my libido is through the roof constantly! Just curious what pushed into TRT

[DGenRit]

500 without TRT??!! Can you explain what kind of low test symptoms you had? I am younger than you and my test levels are between 500-600,and i feel great,my libido is through the roof constantly! Just curious what pushed into TRT

I was really more interested in HRT and the benefits of that. They recommended that I add in some Test the thought was that 500 was adequate but a little more would be better. I didn't have any libido issues and I felt fine. I will say that during this current cycle libido is off the charts - really off the charts - especially when I started the Mas.

[Mick50cal]

Hello everyone! So I'm starting my 2nd cycle at the beginnng of next month. I made the mistake of not really learning a lot my 1st time I did it last year. On my last cycle i had really bad side affects with acne on my back and chest. The cycle consisted of 250MG test Eth and 250 MG of tren. on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Im 36 yrs old 5'8 170lbs. This cycle I plan on sticking to just 250MG of Test Cypionate every 3 day along with some arimidex at .25 every other day. I have my pct in hand which consist of clomid and nova. My question to all of you is do you guys think I really need some HCG??? I really don't want to add another shoot if I don't have to. Thanks in advance

[kelkel]

Well I have been advised that I need to continue on Arimidex for a few weeks post-cycle and add in HCG to ignite natural testosterone production again - even though I will stay on TRT/HRT. Do you not agree with that? Just to be clear my natural testosterone level is about 500 w/o TRT. With TRT at 125 mg per week it jumps to about 700-750.

Also I never took Arimidex while I did TRT / doses were so small at 125mg per week that I felt it wasn't necessary and I never got gyno. Do you advise otherwise?

Adex for a few weeks after cycle is appropriate although it's not necessary to double your dosage. No logic to it.
HCG should be used ALL the time. Not just after a cycle. 250 IU's x 2 per week is fine.
Without blood work you have no clue whether you needed adex while on your TRT. Many guys do even at TRT amounts of test.
Gyno is only a visible side effect. There are many more internal issues with elevated estrogen.

[DGenRit]

Adex for a few weeks after cycle is appropriate although it's not necessary to double your dosage. No logic to it.
HCG should be used ALL the time. Not just after a cycle. 250 IU's x 2 per week is fine.
Without blood work you have no clue whether you needed adex while on your TRT. Many guys do even at TRT amounts of test.
Gyno is only a visible side effect. There are many more internal issues with elevated estrogen.

Thanks for the info. A few follow up questions

(1) I was on HCG non-stop during TRT for 7 years (315 IU ED) so I was advised to cut it out during the cycle to try and restart my receptors. The idea was that after such extended non-stop use, I may have become desensitized. I you agree?

(2) should HCG be taken non-stop post cycle? Should it be taken non-stop during TRT/HRT? Or just during PCT?

(3) you recommend above 250 IU 2xweek. Seems like I was taking too much?

(4) what am I looking for in my bloodwork to determine if I need adex during TRT?

Thanks - really appreciate the help.

[kelkel]

Thanks for the info. A few follow up questions

(1) I was on HCG non-stop during TRT for 7 years (315 IU ED) so I was advised to cut it out during the cycle to try and restart my receptors. The idea was that after such extended non-stop use, I may have become desensitized. I you agree?

Entirely to much HCG. Whoever advised you that should be kicked directly in the nuts. Desensitization is probably unlikely at that dose, imho. Only way to tell would be an HCG Stimulation Test.

(2) should HCG be taken non-stop post cycle? Should it be taken non-stop during TRT/HRT? Or just during PCT?

If on TRT it should be taken. As previously stated, 250 iu's x 2 is fine. Google Dr. John Crisler's paper on HCG and read it. Remember, it keeps your testies functioning somewhat by mimicking LH function. HCG does not maintain full endogenous T production as if you were not on AAS.

(3) you recommend above 250 IU 2xweek. Seems like I was taking too much?

Yes. 250 x 2 or 3 is fine. Some like smaller doses such as 100 iu daily.

(4) what am I looking for in my bloodwork to determine if I need adex during TRT

A Sensitive Estrogen Assay. Standard Estradiol is geared to women and not sensitive enough to be accurate for men at low readings. The difference between the two can at times be dramatic. Discounted Labs . com has about the cheapest available test I believe. Check Private md labs as well.

Thanks - really appreciate the help.

In bold above.

[Mr.BB]

Well I have been advised that I need to continue on Arimidex for a few weeks post-cycle and add in HCG to ignite natural testosterone production again - even though I will stay on TRT/HRT. Do you not agree with that? Just to be clear my natural testosterone level is about 500 w/o TRT. With TRT at 125 mg per week it jumps to about 700-750.

Also I never took Arimidex while I did TRT / doses were so small at 125mg per week that I felt it wasn't necessary and I never got gyno. Do you advise otherwise?

Looking great!

But you dont have any natural testosterone since you started TRT 7 years ago.
Once we inject our body stops producing completely, and the longer you stay on the harder it is get the testis back to work.
Maybe you need to revise if you really want stop, you will lose a lot.

Do you do bloodwork often? Hows your hematocrit?

[DGenRit]

Looking great!

But you dont have any natural testosterone since you started TRT 7 years ago.
Once we inject our body stops producing completely, and the longer you stay on the harder it is get the testis back to work.
Maybe you need to revise if you really want stop, you will lose a lot.

Do you do bloodwork often? Hows your hematocrit?

Thanks Mr.BB - I typically did bloodwork once a year before this cycle. Now that I'm cycling, I plan on doing it quarterly but am waiting to finish this cucle and PCT before getting it drawn again. My last panel before my transformation had my Hematocrit at 53.8 so a little bit high right? What should I be worried about there? The reason that I felt my test production was still in tact was that I always took HCG.

[DGenRit]

Looking great!

But you dont have any natural testosterone since you started TRT 7 years ago.
Once we inject our body stops producing completely, and the longer you stay on the harder it is get the testis back to work.
Maybe you need to revise if you really want stop, you will lose a lot.

Do you do bloodwork often? Hows your hematocrit?

Hey there BB - Hope you had a great New Year!!! I wanted to get back to you on this question regarding hematocrit. I just had bloods drawn about 10 days ago - about 14 weeks into cycle and the results weren't that bad I don't think. I'm not as knowledgeable as you but from what I can gather, it looks not too bad. Hematocrit is 49.8 but RDW was high at 19 (not sure what that means). The only one of the Liver tests that came in high was ALT at 61. Not sure how big a problem that represents. As for Kidney, BUN was at 25 and so was the ratio at 25 but Creatinine was in range at 1.02 and GFR at 87 (in range). My test was 1274 and free test 49.5.

Honestly I was pretty scared on what I was going to see but I think this is reasonable given the length of my cycle no?

[NACH3]

Hey there BB - Hope you had a great New Year!!! I wanted to get back to you on this question regarding hematocrit. I just had bloods drawn about 10 days ago - about 14 weeks into cycle and the results weren't that bad I don't think. I'm not as knowledgeable as you but from what I can gather, it looks not too bad. Hematocrit is 49.8 but RDW was high at 19 (not sure what that means). The only one of the Liver tests that came in high was ALT at 61. Not sure how big a problem that represents. As for Kidney, BUN was at 25 and so was the ratio at 25 but Creatinine was in range at 1.02 and GFR at 87 (in range). My test was 1274 and free test 49.5.

Honestly I was pretty scared on what I was going to see but I think this is reasonable given the length of my cycle no?

Your bw doesn't look bad... Your ALT will be elevated due to heavy lifting(and or if you ran an oral) but doesnt seem too high at all(what's the cut off range)?

Your hematocrit is getting on the high(er) side... You want to keep it under 50%... Donate blood either a WRBC/or DRBC(but check your other lab work for when you felt best with where your hematocrit is) I like 44-48 myself...

[Mr.BB]

Hey there BB - Hope you had a great New Year!!! I wanted to get back to you on this question regarding hematocrit. I just had bloods drawn about 10 days ago - about 14 weeks into cycle and the results weren't that bad I don't think. I'm not as knowledgeable as you but from what I can gather, it looks not too bad. Hematocrit is 49.8 but RDW was high at 19 (not sure what that means). The only one of the Liver tests that came in high was ALT at 61. Not sure how big a problem that represents. As for Kidney, BUN was at 25 and so was the ratio at 25 but Creatinine was in range at 1.02 and GFR at 87 (in range). My test was 1274 and free test 49.5.

Honestly I was pretty scared on what I was going to see but I think this is reasonable given the length of my cycle no?

Cant you post the whole hemogram? Its better to look at whole picture, RDW is ussually analised together with MCV. 19% is quite high, upper limit is 15.

[DGenRit]

But why do you keep saying pct... When your on HRT/TRT you just return back to your normal doses...

Hey Nach (and anyone else who is willing to provide guidance)- I wanted to follow up on this with an additional question. I'm taking my last shot tomorrow of MAS and Test C/E/P. My plan is to return to TRT dosage of 125mg Test weekly. I am planning on HCG and AI during post cycle. Should I add Nolvadex and/or Clomid for any period of time? Or is it not necessary given my return to TRT?

Thanks.

[kelkel]

Hey Nach (and anyone else who is willing to provide guidance)- I wanted to follow up on this with an additional question. I'm taking my last shot tomorrow of MAS and Test C/E/P. My plan is to return to TRT dosage of 125mg Test weekly. I am planning on HCG and AI during post cycle. Should I add Nolvadex and/or Clomid for any period of time? Or is it not necessary given my return to TRT?

Thanks.

HCG should be a part of your normal TRT protocol. I don't recall but if you've been running an AI but it's normal to continue use for a couple weeks post cycle. Then reduce the dosage or eliminate it based on your TRT BW. SERMS will do nothing for you if on TRT. They will not over-power the shut down effects of exogenous testosterone. Low dose Nolva on cycle is fine if there are chest / gyno issues.

[NACH3]

Hey Nach (and anyone else who is willing to provide guidance)- I wanted to follow up on this with an additional question. I'm taking my last shot tomorrow of MAS and Test C/E/P. My plan is to return to TRT dosage of 125mg Test weekly. I am planning on HCG and AI during post cycle. Should I add Nolvadex and/or Clomid for any period of time? Or is it not necessary given my return to TRT?

Thanks.

Kel hit the nail on the head!

[Strongblood]

Yeah - for sure. Here you go. Don't laugh!!! Lol - I really let myself go as you can see. <img src="http://forums.steroid.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=160896"/>

You may have let yourself go, but you got yourself back, nicely!

[73rr]

Yeah - for sure. Here you go. Don't laugh!!! Lol - I really let myself go as you can see.

Great job man! Inspiration for sure!