Advice for making gains with SARMs

[kpowers]

I am new to the forum but have been reading/browsing for quite a while now. Sorry if this post should be somewhere else.

I'm seeking advice as to what I should do to make mass & muscle gains. I have been researching SARMs, amongst other things, and am overwhelmed with info/data. I have never been one to gain weight. No matter what I have done in the past (workout/exercise/eat) I have always stayed around the same weight. I gave up lifting after about 3 years with not much to show for it. It's almost as if my body is preset to one size and will not budge! So since I'm not getting any younger, I have made the decision to better my self image and do whatever is necessary to obtain the physique that I have always sought out before it's too late. It gets old having people tell me how skinny I am. Like I don't know! I am planning on keeping a log of whatever route I choose. I'm sure there are others like me that would benefit from any success I may have.

Age: 38
Health: excellent / low resting HR, good BP & cholesterol levels
Diet: See-food
No alcohol, smoking, drugs or medications
Training: moderate cardio / sports / currently no weight lifting but much in the past
Weight: ~150lbs
Height: 5'11''
Bodyfat: ~15%
Cycle experience: none
Supplement experience: none

#1 Should I be looking to something like SARMs to help?
#2 Suggestions?

Thanks for reading.

[73rr]

How tall are u?

I know this isn't what u want to here but u need to eat more. Simple as that. (It's actually not simple at all)

If u take any supplements without having a good foundation u will just lose it after and probably hurt yourself.

[73rr]

Also welcome to the forum and maybe go get blood work u are 38 years old. Your natural test levels could be low

[kpowers]

5'11''

I eat maybe 3-4k calories per day. In the past I have tried protein shakes in between meals with little effect. I guess there is always room for more but my weight still seems to hover around 150. Thanks for the quick response.

[73rr]

5'11''

I eat maybe 3-4k calories per day. In the past I have tried protein shakes in between meals with little effect. I guess there is always room for more but my weight still seems to hover around 150. Thanks for the quick response.

Don't think to much into it. It's very easy.

Everyone has a maintance cals.

If your trying to gain eat over that maintance. If u are and your not gaining then eat more.

If your trying to lose weight. Eat less.

Y don't u start a log of what u eat and let us see one full day. Make sure u log how many cals are in each meal fats/carbs/protien. That way we can tweak your diet to get u gaining some weight. Also like I said your 38 years old so getting a check up with blood work is t a bad idea.

[AR's King Silabolin]

You got nothing to loose when trying sarms. Some of them are ok for mass. But its easy to do them wrong. And they also have sides. Rigth on, when you want mass LGD is your answer. But it will shut you down, so you need rad140 along with it, but the best would ofcourse be a little test. TRT dose would be ok. 12 weeks. Then pct.
You could also run mk677 with it to ensure maximum gains.

It will ruin your cholestrol so a nazi cholestrolfriendly lifestyle and diett is very important.

[kpowers]

A log is a good idea. I will do that. Leaving out of town today so I will start the log on Monday when I am back on my normal routine.

I do want to clarify that gaining weight has been issue my whole life and not something recent. This is why for the past 15 years or so I have just kind of said f'it! But now with 40 approaching I want to give it shot.

[kpowers]

You got nothing to loose when trying sarms. Some of them are ok for mass. But its easy to do them wrong. And they also have sides. Rigth on, when you want mass LGD is your answer. But it will shut you down, so you need rad140 along with it, but the best would ofcourse be a little test. TRT dose would be ok. 12 weeks. Then pct.
You could also run mk677 with it to ensure maximum gains.

It will ruin your cholestrol so a nazi cholestrolfriendly lifestyle and diett is very important.

Appreciate your advice. I have been researching SARMs for the past several weeks. Your logs have been helpful.

[bass]

You got nothing to loose when trying sarms. Some of them are ok for mass. But its easy to do them wrong. And they also have sides. Rigth on, when you want mass LGD is your answer. But it will shut you down, so you need rad140 along with it, but the best would ofcourse be a little test. TRT dose would be ok. 12 weeks. Then pct.
You could also run mk677 with it to ensure maximum gains.

It will ruin your cholestrol so a nazi cholestrolfriendly lifestyle and diett is very important.

Sorry but this is bad advice. what he needs to do is dial in his diet. SARMs have nasty sides and it doesn't make you grow, it leans you out more than anything.

Kpowers, i suggests you educate yourself fist before jumping into drugs. lots of great information here in the stickies.

[bowly]

good call bass..i always find people eager to add products to the list..

k powers get a blood work done..especially your thyroid..you may have a hyper one..plus get your test checked..dr may put you on trt doses if low..so no need of any other cycle..

get a good nutritionist and a trainer who can push your real hard..

Sorry but this is bad advice. what he needs to do is dial in his diet. SARMs have nasty sides and it doesn't make you grow, it leans you out more than anything.

Kpowers, i suggests you educate yourself fist before jumping into drugs. lots of great information here in the stickies.

[bowly]

silabolin I disagree

lgd will shut you down..so what will a test trt doses or rad 140 do..shut you down further...any exogenous test will cause a shut down..

yes it will not make you feel lethargic and your sex drive will be up but then why do lgd in that case...simply stick to a clean test cycle..

You got nothing to loose when trying sarms. Some of them are ok for mass. But its easy to do them wrong. And they also have sides. Rigth on, when you want mass LGD is your answer. But it will shut you down, so you need rad140 along with it, but the best would ofcourse be a little test. TRT dose would be ok. 12 weeks. Then pct.
You could also run mk677 with it to ensure maximum gains.

It will ruin your cholestrol so a nazi cholestrolfriendly lifestyle and diett is very important.

[kpowers]

Just found a great post for "Hard Gainers" in the diet and nutrition section. I am going to begin there and see how it goes.

I had my blood work done 2 years ago and everything was really good. Very low risk for life insurance. ha! Do doctors put people with low t on the same type testosterone doses that are used to build muscle, etc...? Seems strange if that is the case but I guess testosterone is testosterone.

There is a lot of conflicting info on SARMS & T suppression. I notice a lot of stacking with other compounds that do similar things. Seems like overdosing would be the culprit in most of these cases.? Every time I think, "ok...now I understand..." I read another post/article that says the opposite.

[bass]

yes SARMs is suppressive. find my SARMs log and go through it. not worth the risks and waste of money imho.

[AR's King Silabolin]

silabolin I disagree

lgd will shut you down..so what will a test trt doses or rad 140 do..shut you down further...any exogenous test will cause a shut down..

yes it will not make you feel lethargic and your sex drive will be up but then why do lgd in that case...simply stick to a clean test cycle..

A trtdose will make u feel ok and make sure you will not loose your lgdgains due to low test.
Rad 140 may also make you feel ok. It helped me when i ran ostarine without test.
Yeah they will shut you down further but you need a pct anyhow and recovery should be nothing compared to aas.

To previous guy; I agree on sarms shines best for cutting, but aiming for a dirty bulk with sarms are not so horrible as with aas, as they dont convert. I also think the frase nasty sides doesn't belong in a sarms context. It lowers your HDL in the 20s, but with a good diett you can manage this and it will raise when you stop using them.

[boisebeast]

I agree with Silabolin in that if you are going to use LGD, you should be running a TRT dose of test at least. You may have seen my ostarine log, and if so, you'd see that in my experience ostarine is essentially useless for mass gain and not at all worth it when you look at the effects on your health and hormones. OP, you are 38 and may qualify for TRT anyway. I would encourage you to get a blood test from your doctor and see what the deal is. Ignoring your age for a second, with your stats alone you have no place using bodybuilding drugs. Given proper testosterone levels, you should easily be able to add another 20 pounds of lean mass through diet and training alone. Using drugs before you close in on your natural potential is going to cost you pounds and pounds of muscle. There's 2 situations where you could reasonably be using bodybuilding drugs: if you have a medical condition that requires it, or if you are at your natural potential and are using them to break though a plateau.

[AR's King Silabolin]

yes SARMs is suppressive. find my SARMs log and go through it. not worth the risks and waste of money imho.

Disagree 100 mg propionate and 10 weeks 10 mg LGD with nazi cholestrolfriendly diett + clomid 100 50 50 25 could giva ya 8-10 sollid pounds with hardly any sides. With sr9009 you could get a HDL in the low 30s (40< )but which would raise fast at week 11.

[bowly]

boise your dose was 17.5mg..

osta is used at 25mg minimum and 50 mgs max..

use of sarms is when you don't want the androgenic sides that come with aas..like hairfall/gyno/prostate issues..

if trt doses is not a problem then why go for sarms anyway..

an oral tbol only 6 weeks gives me 8lbs of muscle...with proper training and diet of course..but hairfall is what bothers me..i am trying sarms just to get away from hairfall and gyno issues..otherwise aas is hands down the best value for money..

I agree with Silabolin in that if you are going to use LGD, you should be running a TRT dose of test at least. You may have seen my ostarine log, and if so, you'd see that in my experience ostarine is essentially useless for mass gain and not at all worth it when you look at the effects on your health and hormones. OP, you are 38 and may qualify for TRT anyway. I would encourage you to get a blood test from your doctor and see what the deal is. Ignoring your age for a second, with your stats alone you have no place using bodybuilding drugs. Given proper testosterone levels, you should easily be able to add another 20 pounds of lean mass through diet and training alone. Using drugs before you close in on your natural potential is going to cost you pounds and pounds of muscle. There's 2 situations where you could reasonably be using bodybuilding drugs: if you have a medical condition that requires it, or if you are at your natural potential and are using them to break though a plateau.

[kpowers]

yes SARMs is suppressive. find my SARMs log and go through it. not worth the risks and waste of money imho.

Bass, I found your S4 log and you seemed to be very pleased. Maybe I missed something?

[bass]

read it all the way to the end. i concluded was not worth the sides and money. that's my opinion.

[kpowers]

Don't think to much into it. It's very easy.

Everyone has a maintance cals.

If your trying to gain eat over that maintance. If u are and your not gaining then eat more.

If your trying to lose weight. Eat less.

Y don't u start a log of what u eat and let us see one full day. Make sure u log how many cals are in each meal fats/carbs/protien. That way we can tweak your diet to get u gaining some weight. Also like I said your 38 years old so getting a check up with blood work is t a bad idea.

I kept a log yesterday of everything that I ate. I was able to estimate total calorie & protein intake. Not sure on fats & carbs yet.

~2650 calories
~174g protein (52g from whey protein mixed with milk)

This was a pretty standard day except for the whey protein.

[MACHINE5150]

I kept a log yesterday of everything that I ate. I was able to estimate total calorie & protein intake. Not sure on fats & carbs yet.

~2650 calories
~174g protein (52g from whey protein mixed with milk)

This was a pretty standard day except for the whey protein.

Your Total Daily Thermal Exchange at moderate exercise is ~2500 calories

https://tdeecalculator.net/result.ph...1.55&bf=15&f=1

go there to calculate your TDEE. You need to eat 500-700 calories more than you burn to gain about a pound of muscle/weeight per week.. ideally consume more fish or chicken to boost those calories.. but Carbs are very necessary too.. basically, you are not eating enough

Those calculators are great, and pretty accurate too. Your appetite will grow the more you eat. Eventually it iwll take more food for you to feel full

i'm 5'10" 235lbs and need to eat 4000 calories just not to lose weight..

If you wanna gain weight you should probably get that up to 3200 calories or so

[73rr]

Your Total Daily Thermal Exchange at moderate exercise is ~2500 calories

https://tdeecalculator.net/result.ph...1.55&bf=15&f=1

go there to calculate your TDEE. You need to eat 500-700 calories more than you burn to gain about a pound of muscle/weeight per week.. ideally consume more fish or chicken to boost those calories.. but Carbs are very necessary too.. basically, you are not eating enough

Those calculators are great, and pretty accurate too. Your appetite will grow the more you eat. Eventually it iwll take more food for you to feel full

i'm 5'10" 235lbs and need to eat 4000 calories just not to lose weight..

If you wanna gain weight you should probably get that up to 3200 calories or so

This^^^

[kpowers]

Are powders effective for getting the extra calories, protein, & carbs? I think it could be the only way for me to reach those numbers until I am able to stomach more food. I'm not really able to add extra meals during my workday. Breakfast 7am, lunch noon, early dinner 6pm, add 4th meal before bed 9-10pm. Shakes in between? Thanks for the link and info.

[MACHINE5150]

Are powders effective for getting the extra calories, protein, & carbs? I think it could be the only way for me to reach those numbers until I am able to stomach more food. I'm not really able to add extra meals during my workday. Breakfast 7am, lunch noon, early dinner 6pm, add 4th meal before bed 9-10pm. Shakes in between? Thanks for the link and info.

Shakes are better than nothing..

You might benefit from some Ostarine or MK677 too.. They do increase appetite for lots of people. You can get the Ostamuscle for $30 from Enhanced Athlete
OstaMuscle - Pure Ostarine MK-2866 10mg Capsules 120ct – Enhanced Athlete

20mg per day would cost you only $30 a month.. run it for two months

If you have the money, MK677 is notorius for boosting appetite.. you can get that for $90 there.. 20mg per day would cost you $90 per month.. You can run MK677 5 days on 2 days off indefinitely..

But, as some have already stated, you need to get your calories up or even Steroids won't do you any good.

[kpowers]

I'm on day 4 and have been able to get my protein intake up to 250-300/day fairly easy. However, I am having trouble increasing my caloric intake. Any suggestions or favorites for boosting calories?

Sorry if this has gotten off the topic of SARMs. However, I haven't ruled them out and will be trying them if my current plan doesn't work.

[73rr]

I'm on day 4 and have been able to get my protein intake up to 250-300/day fairly easy. However, I am having trouble increasing my caloric intake. Any suggestions or favorites for boosting calories?

Sorry if this has gotten off the topic of SARMs. However, I haven't ruled them out and will be trying them if my current plan doesn't work.

Take a look into the what are u eating right know thread. It's a log of alot of ppl say food. That way u can steal some meal plans

[kpowers]

Thanks 73rr.

5/25 Day 3
Calories ~2800
Protein ~260

5/26 Day 4
Calories ~3630
Protein ~300g

According to your previous post I should expect about 1lb of muscle weight/week if I am am 500-700 cals over my burn rate. Hopefully in 8-10 weeks I will be close to 160lbs. Going to start tracking carbs as well.

[73rr]

Thanks 73rr.

5/25 Day 3
Calories ~2800
Protein ~260

5/26 Day 4
Calories ~3630
Protein ~300g

According to your previous post I should expect about 1lb of muscle weight/week if I am am 500-700 cals over my burn rate. Hopefully in 8-10 weeks I will be close to 160lbs. Going to start tracking carbs as well.

Track prorien/carbs/fat. Just tracking protien isn't going to do u much. Good job so far and keep up the hard work

[kpowers]

I'm learning... Working out is the easy part!

[73rr]

I'm learning... Working out is the easy part!

U will get there. Do u have the app myfitnesspal?

It's pritty good for showing u what your eating and counting your cals. It's not as accurate as weighing everything yourself but it's a great start!

[kpowers]

U will get there. Do u have the app myfitnesspal?

It's pritty good for showing u what your eating and counting your cals. It's not as accurate as weighing everything yourself but it's a great start!

Yes. I have been working on it. Nice app.

"If every day were like today... You'd weigh 160.7 lbs in 5 weeks" Boom!

[kpowers]

Quick update & log
I have gained 6.5lbs since 5/26

Goals set in fitnesspal app are as follows but I'm mainly trying to keep calories & protein at this time.
Calories - 3,300min
Protein - 289g
Carbs - 289g
Fat - 110g

5/27 - 147lbs
Calories - 2901
Protein - 260g
Carbs - 252g
Fat - 146g

5/28 - 146lbs
Calories - 3313
Protein - 278g
Carbs - 231g
Fat - 112g

5/29
Calories - 3817
Protein - 240g
Carbs - 223g
Fat - 199g

5/30 - 149.5lbs
Calories - 4699
Protein - 307g
Carbs - 314g
Fat -227g

5/31 -
Calories - 3159
Protein - 226g
Carbs - 314g
Fat - 166g

6/1 -
Calories - 4065
Protein - 292g
Carbs - 323g
Fat - 188g

6/2 - 150lbs
Calories - 3137
Protein - 235g
Carbs - 247g
Fat - 149g

6/3 -
Calories - 3269
Protein - 229g
Carbs - 253g
Fat - 148g

6/4 - 151.6
Calories - 3164
Protein - 261g
Carbs - 180g
Fat - 167g

6/5 - 153.5lbs
Calories - 3289
Protein - 262g
Carbs - 177g
Fat - 180g

6/6 - (went fishing, routine thrown off)
Calories - 2601
Protein - 169g
Carbs - 148g
Fat - 75g

6/7 -
Calories - 3836
Protein - 276g
Carbs - 256g
Fat - 197g

6/8 - 152.6lbs