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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker78 View Post
    Never used cabergoline till now. I used Deca in several cycles and my recovery was very rapid. I always stopped DECA - in a 12 weeks cycle - 2 weeks before the end of cycle. And if i stacked it with another long Test ester as Enanthate, i stopped both at 10 week and continued with Test Prop of 100mg/ED for the remaning 2 weeks, before start PCT. I think this is more effectiveness protocol. Futher, regardless subjectivity of each one, my question is always the same: did you used HCG while on cycle ??????? LH production usually, starts very quick; are the tests that often, have some problem to reply to stimulus of the latter. Preserve your tests trofism is CRUCIAL to recovery. And this is because my PCTs after DECA cycle, were rapid. No matter how your HPTA axis is shutted down: your tests are the most important thing you have to preserve in this case, because you can product tons of LH, but if tests don't reply, it's useless.

    Hope this helps.

    Thanks for reply.
    Absolutely yes , I always used HCG throughout the cycle at very low dose (250 ui 2 x week) is too loow in your opinion?
    and stopped Deca 2 weeks before Test
    In my opinion my strong and long shutdown is due to progesterone of deca,,,
    but I never made ​​a "bridge" between the last injection and PCT (like your test prop)
    Do you think it's better doing a bridge between last inject and PCT? I thought I'd do it in the next cycle with 40 mg of anavar a day

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    Quote Originally Posted by TestoSuper View Post
    Thanks for reply.
    Absolutely yes , I always used HCG throughout the cycle at very low dose (250 ui 2 x week) is too loow in your opinion?
    and stopped Deca 2 weeks before Test
    In my opinion my strong and long shutdown is due to progesterone of deca,,,
    but I never made ​​a "bridge" between the last injection and PCT (like your test prop)
    Do you think it's better doing a bridge between last inject and PCT? I thought I'd do it in the next cycle with 40 mg of anavar a day
    No, if you see you tests with regular dimensions and not shrinked the dosage it's good. The bridge is just for keep a short anabolic activity, giving more time to long esters to fade away from your body. If you do not a bridge, you have to stop Deca 2 weeks before the end of cycle and continuing just with e.g. Test Enanthate ( long ester ) for the remaning 2 weeks; after you stopped the latter, you have to wait another 2 weeks before start PCT.

    What were your DECA dosages in your cycle ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker78 View Post
    No, if you see you tests with regular dimensions and not shrinked the dosage it's good. The bridge is just for keep a short anabolic activity, giving more time to long esters to fade away from your body. If you do not a bridge, you have to stop Deca 2 weeks before the end of cycle and continuing just with e.g. Test Enanthate ( long ester ) for the remaning 2 weeks; after you stopped the latter, you have to wait another 2 weeks before start PCT.

    What were your DECA dosages in your cycle ?
    Yes my tests was in regular dimension, then the dosage was ok..
    Last Deca dosage was 400 mg/week x 9 week (never exceeded this dose)

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    Quote Originally Posted by TestoSuper View Post
    Yes my tests was in regular dimension, then the dosage was ok..
    Last Deca dosage was 400 mg/week x 9 week (never exceeded this dose)

    Deca dosage it's ok. It's the low end limit to give a good ratio gain/sides. Maybe your glands are extremely sensitive and you trend to shutting down, brutally. I would tell that .. did you do DECA as your first cycle maybe ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker78 View Post
    Deca dosage it's ok. It's the low end limit to give a good ratio gain/sides. Maybe your glands are extremely sensitive and you trend to shutting down, brutally. I would tell that .. did you do DECA as your first cycle maybe ?
    Pobably it is as you say... no it was the 4th cycle (first two was Test only, 3th and 4th I introduced Deca)
    About this, how many cycles per year you recommend to be in safe, but at the same time maintaining the most gains?
    Until now I did only winter bulking cycles, one per year, and in summer I cut with diet and cardio only...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TestoSuper View Post
    Pobably it is as you say... no it was the 4th cycle (first two was Test only, 3th and 4th I introduced Deca)
    About this, how many cycles per year you recommend to be in safe, but at the same time maintaining the most gains?
    Until now I did only winter bulking cycles, one per year, and in summer I cut with diet and cardio only...
    You can do 1 or max 2 cycles at year for a safe profile. You should have to calculate the rest time between cycle with this formula: Total Time on cycle + Total Time stopped before PCT + Total PCT Time + Time to full recovery. After a full recovery, you should wait the result of this sum ( in months ) before to start another cycle.

    Further, you can stop Deca always 2 weeks before the end of cycle and extend PCT for another 2 weeks getting a total of 6 total weeks of PCT ( keeping always Clomid and Nolvadex at 20/20 both the last 2 weeks ).

    Now, do you fully recovered ???

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker78 View Post
    You can do 1 or max 2 cycles at year for a safe profile. You should have to calculate the rest time between cycle with this formula: Total Time on cycle + Total Time stopped before PCT + Total PCT Time + Time to full recovery. After a full recovery, you should wait the result of this sum ( in months ) before to start another cycle.

    Further, you can stop Deca always 2 weeks before the end of cycle and extend PCT for another 2 weeks getting a total of 6 total weeks of PCT ( keeping always Clomid and Nolvadex at 20/20 both the last 2 weeks ).

    Now, do you fully recovered ???

    ok so according to this rule the cycles are between 1 and 2 per year , not more..
    Yes I 've recovered now because in June I made ​​the second PCT this year (4 weeks Clomid) after 3 months from PCT cycle (ended in february), my test level in June was below 3 ng!!
    I also started from very little time to take supplements suitable for the purpose ( zinc, vitamin d3 , multivitamin , vitamin C etc .. ) then I predict that in the future should be much better and faster recovery!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slacker78 View Post
    You can do 1 or max 2 cycles at year for a safe profile. You should have to calculate the rest time between cycle with this formula: Total Time on cycle + Total Time stopped before PCT + Total PCT Time + Time to full recovery. After a full recovery, you should wait the result of this sum ( in months ) before to start another cycle.

    Further, you can stop Deca always 2 weeks before the end of cycle and extend PCT for another 2 weeks getting a total of 6 total weeks of PCT ( keeping always Clomid and Nolvadex at 20/20 both the last 2 weeks ).

    Now, do you fully recovered ???
    Now my test levels is over 5 ng and testicles more more fully... so it

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