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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    Why are you looking at cholesterol synthesis when the problem is clearly in dietary cholesterol???
    I don't know what you are talking about since all the recent research points in a different direction. The liver can regulate the amount of serum cholesterol balancing synthesis and absorption of dietary intake. I'm not gonna buy a 30 years old research paper on eggs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    I don't know what you are talking about since all the recent research points in a different direction. The liver can regulate the amount of serum cholesterol balancing synthesis and absorption of dietary intake. I'm not gonna buy a 30 years old research paper on eggs.
    What recent research?? Please dont bring Maria Fernandez crap...

    30 years ago or today, the principles are the same.

    USDA, AHA and WHO are not reading the research you mentioned as the daily Cholesterol recommendation is 300mg.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.BB View Post
    What recent research?? Please dont bring Maria Fernandez crap...

    30 years ago or today, the principles are the same.

    USDA, AHA and WHO are not reading the research you mentioned as the daily Cholesterol recommendation is 300mg.
    Those RDA are in their place, if you consider the average western diet.

    In my imhos, if you keep things in balance you are never going to run into a problem. Overabundance of multiple factors triggers issues.

    Be on a high carb diet whilst keeping dietary fats/cholesterol low, and you will be fine. But, introduce dietary sources high in cholesterol and I'm sure you'll run into the results showed by study above.

    I do absolutely zero refined sugars and carbs, consume eggs daily, eat moderate to high amount of fats, and I'm fine, even with tT levels above therapeutic range, lol.

    The problem with the RDA is they have to deal with the western type of diet. They are western organizations after all. It's sooo much easier to tell the average man to skip the eggs than to cut on refined carbs and sugars, because they know it will just never work.


    Try bulking on high carb / sugar / cholesterol / fats like Sila does and you'll end up with poor lipid profile. It's not rocket science

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    Those RDA are in their place, if you consider the average western diet.

    In my imhos, if you keep things in balance you are never going to run into a problem. Overabundance of multiple factors triggers issues.

    Be on a high carb diet whilst keeping dietary fats/cholesterol low, and you will be fine. But, introduce dietary sources high in cholesterol and I'm sure you'll run into the results showed by study above.

    I do absolutely zero refined sugars and carbs, consume eggs daily, eat moderate to high amount of fats, and I'm fine, even with tT levels above therapeutic range, lol.

    The problem with the RDA is they have to deal with the western type of diet. They are western organizations after all. It's sooo much easier to tell the average man to skip the eggs than to cut on refined carbs and sugars, because they know it will just never work.


    Try bulking on high carb / sugar / cholesterol / fats like Sila does and you'll end up with poor lipid profile. It's not rocket science
    You say you are fine, and still your thread in TRT keeps growing

    Maybe you need to approach a different diet, have you ever tried it?

    In the long run there are some evidence that high fat diet its not healthy, I was saving this studies for Simon, but hey, you deserve it as well



    Low-carbohydrate diets impair flow-mediated dilatation: Evidence from a systematic review and meta-analysis



    Negative effect of a low-carbohydrate, high-protein, high-fat diet on small peripheral artery reactivity in patients with increased cardiovascular risk (this is a good one for Sil)

    (theres more if you still have doubts)

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    Of course I have tried. Moderate carb from whole grains is what works for me now, but I was feeling BEST back in 2013 on proper low carb diet. I still have my 250g of daily carbs which is nowhere low. Probably I need less just less grains and more fresh fruits, but I need to be wary of excess fructose as my intestines don't seem to tolerate it well.

    Anyway, I say my lipids where fine, not the rest (sigh).

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    Quote Originally Posted by bizzarro View Post
    Of course I have tried. Moderate carb from whole grains is what works for me now, but I was feeling BEST back in 2013 on proper low carb diet. I still have my 250g of daily carbs which is nowhere low. Probably I need less just less grains and more fresh fruits, but I need to be wary of excess fructose as my intestines don't seem to tolerate it well.

    Anyway, I say my lipids where fine, not the rest (sigh).
    Dont eat fruit at big fatty meals, or at least eat it first.

    Fruit digestion is very rapid and the disturbance of "colliding" with slower digestion foods creats flatus. Also need to be ripe, unripe starch of some fruits can be pretty difficult to digest.

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    And high fat diets are for Eskimos IMO.

    Protein:30%, carbs 40%, fat 30% (of total energy intake)
    is a simple enough macro set up I've felt good doing.
    What carbs and fat you eat, and the timing of high GI food regarding fat intake matters too. Especially the first part.
    10grams of trans fatty acids aren't what you wanna mix in your protein shake.
    10grams of MCT oil another matter.

    And fructose, well it does help to mix that fructose with glucose, as it is in fruit.
    But high fructose corn syrup or just much fructose is a problem;
    Fructose skips the phospofructokinase-1/PFK-1 enzyme step in glycolysis, which happen to be the most important rate limiting step.
    Then, fructose is mostly absorbed by the liver, unlike glucose which can be just as easily absorbed by the muscles directly.
    Since the fructose that enters the liver has already committed itself to glycolytic breakdown it cause a rise in acetyl-CoA when it isn't needed. The liver makes triglycerides to store this energy.
    Short story: fructose can increase triglycerides in your blood, and be bad for your health.
    (Some fructose is ok ofcourse, dont go nuts)
    I may have forgot or confused some of the principles of fructose breakdown as i didn't care to look it up,
    Please correct me if it's wrong, but the result is correct; increased triglycerides and other issues.
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