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[devil-1986]

If you are planning to PCT, I would not do Deca at all. Substitute NPP (same Nandralone hormone, shorter ester). If you decide to do deca anyway, you can forget PCT until you are 8 weeks out from your last Deca shot. Anything earlier is a waste of time. You can run low dose testosterone (150 mg a week) in the meantime while you are waiting for Deca to clear.

I love the results of Deca, but it sticks around forever.

Are you married? Your wife is not going to like you having erection problems for several weeks on end.

When I followed the typical internet advice back on my second cycle (hey, bro, drop Deca two weeks earlier than test!) I had a horrible, worst ever recovery. I actually got stronger throughout PCT. I foolishly thought this was because I was recovered. The real reason was that the Deca was still causing strength gains a month and more from last injection.

Deca hanging around in your system suppresses testosterone. You quite simply cannot recover until it is gone. This is a process of months, not days or weeks.

Ignore this advice at your own peril.

I later charted the decanoate ester half life, calendared all my shots, and calculated the half life of each and every one. The calculation showed 8 weeks. I used low dose (TRT level) testosterone and HCG while waiting those 8 weeks. Decent recovery that time.

Anyway, you have been warned. Deca is great, but once it is in you, it will hang out for a long, long, time.

ok bro thanks alot for your usful info , no im not married , then according to this info should i drop deca and go with test only ? u think is this a better idea for me like numbere and other brothers which told me for my true second cycle ?
also ill waiting for your deca charted

[oldnsedentary]

ok bro thanks alot for your usful info , no im not married , then according to this info should i drop deca and go with test only ? u think is this a better idea for me like numbere and other brothers which told me for my true second cycle ?
also ill waiting for your deca charted

It is difficult for me to tell you to drop Deca because it works so damn well and is a great addition to a second cycle. Recovery, however, is a bitch.

NPP is nandrolone, but with a much shorter half life and thus a much quicker recovery.

If you do not want to source NPP, then run the Deca, but be prepared for an 8 week lag time from the last Deca injection until you begin PCT. This means probably low dosed testosterone (like 150 mg a week) for a couple months at the end of the cycle. Switch to testosterone propionate for the last two weeks to make recovery even quicker. Run HCG with the testosterone and then do your PCT as normal (clomid, aromasin). This makes recovery from Deca much easier in spite of the increased duration of being on the testosterone.

The problem with the standard advice is that it puts you in PCT when Deca is still active in your system and suppressing testosterone. That's stupid. It makes no sense whatsoever. Having experienced it firsthand both ways, I would urge you to learn from my experience.

Run the half life calculations yourself based on your anticipated injection schedule and see for yourself when Deca will be low enough not to be suppressive anymore. You will discover for yourself that the standard PCT recommendation for Deca is bullshit.

[numbere]

Run the half life calculations yourself based on your anticipated injection schedule and see for yourself when Deca will be low enough not to be suppressive anymore. You will discover for yourself that the standard PCT recommendation for Deca is bullshit.

I agree that OP should not be using nandrolone as this is his second cycle and he had bunk gear on his first.

However, the average person cannot come close to approximating how much exogenous nandrolone is in their system from deca injections.

Their is much more to the pharmacokinetics of a drug than just regular half life.

Even when calculating half life for a specific individual you need to know their volume of distribution and total body clearance rate.

There's also half life of the distribution phase (alpha half life) and half life for the elimination phase (beta half life).

Deca has a lot of carbon bonds (28 in total) that delay the time exogenous nandrolone is in your system.

Due to this longer elimination time the plasma half life and tissue half life are differ greatly, complicating the process even further.