Bloods mid cycle tren

[Alosh81]

Allright guys,

Ive been off dbol for 4 weeks now, im 9wks into: 150mg tren a eod, 500eq ew, 100test p eod. I did 60mg dbol ed for 4 wks.

And about my thyroid, my doc gave me fckn meds, it went down from 11,8 to 8 lol, its supposed to be around 4 maximum. So ima call him tomorrow morning. And this is in swedish so if u have any questions about the name on the tests, just ask me. I can start with saying that: östradiol: estrogen and järn:iron. And the others i think are similar to english. Ty for help doc said the prolactin is low, what about my
Estro and progesterone ?

[Alosh81]

[Alosh81]

[hammerheart]

Your thyroid is (still) a mess, you need to get that fixed (again).

Homocysteine is high and that is of concern... you need to supplement with methyl-B12, B9, and Iron as well.

I'd also add baby aspirin.

Are you taking caber?

[Alosh81]

Your thyroid is (still) a mess, you need to get that fixed (again).

Homocysteine is high and that is of concern... you need to supplement with methyl-B12, B9, and Iron as well.

I'd also add baby aspirin.

Are you taking caber?

Damn thats a lot of shit, ye 0,25 caber e3d

[hammerheart]

Damn thats a lot of shit, ye 0,25 caber e3d

Shit is never enough when your in the game. You never know know when it hits the fan. In your case, you were already in some shitstorm even before commencing.

Again, have your thyroid fixed.

[Alosh81]

Shit is never enough when your in the game. You never know know when it hits the fan. In your case, you were already in some shitstorm even before commencing.

Again, have your thyroid fixed.

Ye thyroid is no problem, btw didnt take my meds pre bloodtest, is this stupid?

[hammerheart]

Ye thyroid is no problem, btw didnt take my meds pre bloodtest, is this stupid?

Skipping T4 the day of testing is common practice, but shouldn't affect bloods anyway.

[Alosh81]

Skipping T4 the day of testing is common practice, but shouldn't affect bloods anyway.

Ahh, the doc put me on 50mcg t4, while my
Level was 12. I think 50 is to low, i need 150... ty for help broski

[hammerheart]

Ahh, the doc put me on 50mcg t4, while my
Level was 12. I think 50 is to low, i need 150... ty for help broski

I won't take more than 100mcg T4. If that is not enough, I'd include a tad of T3 instead, if available of course.

[Alosh81]

Yeah ill do whatever he suggests

[TRA]

In addition to comments above, HDL a little low, which is expected on tren. Cardio should fix that when cycle done

Liver enzymes high and the AST higher which may typically be seen with a little heavy alcohol use so would consider being alcohol free and supplementing with some NAC and milk thistle and monitoring to make sure they start to trend down.

Good that HbA1c lower than range, means no pre- or active diabetes, strong work in that regard.

[canadian77]

HDL a little low, which is expected on tren. Cardio should fix that when cycle done

In what world does cardio fix low HDL?

Two things that are proven with strong evidence to improve HDL are Garlic and Fish oil.

https://examine.com/rubric/effects/view/564/HDL-C/all/
https://examine.com/rubric/effects/view/2/HDL-C/all/

[kelkel]

There's a good amount of info out there that show resistance training and/or cardio will improve HDL levels.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3906547/

[TRA]

In what world does cardio fix low HDL?

Two things that are proven with strong evidence to improve HDL are Garlic and Fish oil.

https://examine.com/rubric/effects/view/564/HDL-C/all/
https://examine.com/rubric/effects/view/2/HDL-C/all/

Apparently not in the Canadian world. Not sure why you decided to harp in with that comment, was just trying to be helpful and supportive to OP.

Effects of Endurance Exercise Training on Plasma HDL Cholesterol Levels Depend on Levels of Triglycerides | Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology (really shows a relation between HDL and TG levels in exercise model, but states in intro the known relationship between HDL levels and exercise).

There were a number of other studies, one notable one in Japan that was a metanalysis and which showed moderate elevations of HDL with exercise. It inferred that it was duration and not intensity which may have the effect. This anecdotally coincides with my personal HDL level of 70 when running 60-90 min trail runs daily.
I don't have link for Japanese study, but a few others:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10593643
https://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Articl...sterolNEW.html
Effect of Aerobic Exercise Training on Serum Levels of High-Density Lipoprotein Cholesterol | Cardiology | JAMA Internal Medicine | The JAMA Network

Recent research shows the relationship may be due to an enzyme activity induced by exercise.

[canadian77]

Apparently not in the Canadian world. Not sure why you decided to harp in with that comment, was just trying to be helpful and supportive to OP.

Effects of Endurance Exercise Training on Plasma HDL Cholesterol Levels Depend on Levels of Triglycerides | Arteriosclerosis, Thrombosis, and Vascular Biology (really shows a relation between HDL and TG levels in exercise model, but states in intro the known relationship between HDL levels and exercise).

There were a number of other studies, one notable one in Japan that was a metanalysis and which showed moderate elevations of HDL with exercise. It inferred that it was duration and not intensity which may have the effect. This anecdotally coincides with my personal HDL level of 70 when running 60-90 min trail runs daily.
I don't have link for Japanese study, but a few others:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10593643
https://www.unm.edu/~lkravitz/Articl...sterolNEW.html
Effect of Aerobic Exercise Training on Serum Levels of High-Density Lipoprotein Cholesterol | Cardiology | JAMA Internal Medicine | The JAMA Network

Recent research shows the relationship may be due to an enzyme activity induced by exercise.

Solid rebuttal. Thank you for educating me.

[TRA]

Solid rebuttal. Thank you for educating me.

Sorry I led off the reply with an ego reaction. Kudos for being gracious.

[AR's King Silabolin]

You should be incredible happy for some of the results when on dbol and tren.
Guys get hdl in the 20s from some weeks with a sarm. Ur stil in the 60s. ALAT almost in range even on tren/dbol. Impressing.
And triglycerides...
How about bloodpressure and heartbeat at rest?. very important

But ostradiol is not good, should be less than 150. Do u use an AI. BP migth be elevated now.
It also tells ur not getting optimal results. Too much of your precious testosterone fades into female hormons.

wait..omg..ur only 22. Hm...this could be bad

[Chicagotarsier]

Why is no one talking about his IGF being low out of range on all that gear? Definately major thyroid issue and possibly more major problems behind that.

HBA1C does not indicate anything about diabetis. It is a running record of diet and intake. He has a good diet nothing else. Diabitis is defined via RBS or 2 hour after calorie ingestion blood sugar levels.

[Alosh81]

You should be incredible happy for some of the results when on dbol and tren.
Guys get hdl in the 20s from some weeks with a sarm. Ur stil in the 60s. ALAT almost in range even on tren/dbol. Impressing.
And triglycerides...
How about bloodpressure and heartbeat at rest?. very important

But ostradiol is not good, should be less than 150. Do u use an AI. BP migth be elevated now.
It also tells ur not getting optimal results. Too much of your precious testosterone fades into female hormons.

wait..omg..ur only 22. Hm...this could be bad

I take 0,25mg adex e3d, shouldi increase to 0,5 maybe? 0.75?

[Alosh81]

Why is no one talking about his IGF being low out of range on all that gear? Definately major thyroid issue and possibly more major problems behind that.

HBA1C does not indicate anything about diabetis. It is a running record of diet and intake. He has a good diet nothing else. Diabitis is defined via RBS or 2 hour after calorie ingestion blood sugar levels.

Dude im so pissed about my igf, it increased with 30, during this cycle. What do y mean more major issues behind thT??

[hammerheart]

Why is no one talking about his IGF being low out of range on all that gear? Definately major thyroid issue and possibly more major problems behind that.

Either thyroid or too much caber being suppressive on GH.

[Chicagotarsier]

Either thyroid or too much caber being suppressive on GH.

Yes most likely. If he gets the thyroid under control he will know where to go next.

I say more issues because that level of dose of androgens should have you high in band or more. A 500 test cycle on a healthy person results in much higher IGF1 and IGF1 is the most important physical lab that reflects the net results of substances to growth. I also say more is why is the thyroid acting how it is, no root cause defined. When you start dealing with the thyroid things get super complex quickly.

[Alosh81]

Yes most likely. If he gets the thyroid under control he will know where to go next.

I say more issues because that level of dose of androgens should have you high in band or more. A 500 test cycle on a healthy person results in much higher IGF1 and IGF1 is the most important physical lab that reflects the net results of substances to growth. I also say more is why is the thyroid acting how it is, no root cause defined. When you start dealing with the thyroid things get super complex quickly.

Ye it has to be the thyroid. But when i get tested at my docs, i hope he doesnt test me for testosterone lol, he asked me b4 if i used steroids, like before i started w roids lol... any tips?

[hammerheart]

When you start dealing with the thyroid things get super complex quickly.

You tell me. My thyroid was 90% eaten out from autoimmune thyroiditis at 24 already.

Another magical effect I get from Tren is it seems to suppress my thyroiditis. Blood counts improve, low platelets return to normal, no more absolute nor relative lymphocitosis (more neutrophils instead), cervical lymphadenopathies shrink.

About growth factors, it's also important to distinguish intracellular IGF-1 levels from GH output and liver IGF-1 synthesis, not to mention binding proteins. Bloods only tell part of a complex story but only what's happening on actual tissue is relevant.

[Alosh81]

You tell me. My thyroid was 90% eaten out from autoimmune thyroiditis at 24 already.

Another magical effect I get from Tren is it seems to suppress my thyroiditis. Blood counts improve, low platelets return to normal, no more absolute nor relative lymphocitosis (more neutrophils instead), cervical lymphadenopathies shrink.

About growth factors, it's also important to distinguish intracellular IGF-1 levels from GH output and liver IGF-1 synthesis, not to mention binding proteins. Bloods only tell part of a complex story but only what's happening on actual tissue is relevant.

Ahh, what do u think about my estradiol? Should i increase adex to 0,5mg e3d?

[hammerheart]

Ahh, what do u think about my estradiol? Should i increase adex to 0,5mg e3d?

Don't listen to Sil, everyone here knows the assay for estradiol yields skewed levels in the presence of Tren, unless it's the sensitive E2 assay (unavailable in Europe afaik).

Yet, it sounds too low, maybe .25 EOD would be much better.

[AR's King Silabolin]

Don't listen to Sil, everyone here knows the assay for estradiol yields skewed levels in the presence of Tren, unless it's the sensitive E2 assay (unavailable in Europe afaik).

Yet, it sounds too low, maybe .25 EOD would be much better.

Look at me. Do i look like a man not worth listen to?
No, thougth not.
Yes, increase aidose.

[cousinmuscles]

Might as well delete this post, I'd rather just ignore silabolin.

[Chicagotarsier]

You tell me. My thyroid was 90% eaten out from autoimmune thyroiditis at 24 already.

Another magical effect I get from Tren is it seems to suppress my thyroiditis. Blood counts improve, low platelets return to normal, no more absolute nor relative lymphocitosis (more neutrophils instead), cervical lymphadenopathies shrink.

About growth factors, it's also important to distinguish intracellular IGF-1 levels from GH output and liver IGF-1 synthesis, not to mention binding proteins. Bloods only tell part of a complex story but only what's happening on actual tissue is relevant.

Bro that is a tough draw of the cards you got. Thyroiditis is no joke. Super blessed the Tren helps out so much.

Agree on the bloods. I got such a wake up call with an infection in my urine tract. Small hurdle compared to yours.

[Mr.BB]

Why is no one talking about his IGF being low out of range on all that gear? Definately major thyroid issue and possibly more major problems behind that.

HBA1C does not indicate anything about diabetis. It is a running record of diet and intake. He has a good diet nothing else. Diabitis is defined via RBS or 2 hour after calorie ingestion blood sugar levels.

The IGF1 range looks a bit tight...