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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonbana View Post
    The guy before you mentioned keto sorry. Why are you against keto I fight everyday not going back keto,
    I've ran Keto a bunch of times . what I've learned from it is that AAS cycles are somewhat wasteful on Keto , Anabolics LOVE CARBS and make great use of them and partition them very well . thats one of the main things that steroids do, especially Tren . Its going to use carbs to super fill your muscles with glycogen (which will help with overall muscle growth being amino acids are shuttled in at the same time).
    if you went Keto then you would not get this great benefit out of AAS use

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    I've ran Keto a bunch of times . what I've learned from it is that AAS cycles are somewhat wasteful on Keto , Anabolics LOVE CARBS and make great use of them and partition them very well . thats one of the main things that steroids do, especially Tren . Its going to use carbs to super fill your muscles with glycogen (which will help with overall muscle growth being amino acids are shuttled in at the same time).
    if you went Keto then you would not get this great benefit out of AAS use
    Thought son TKD long term not looking at AAS ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonbana View Post
    Thought son TKD long term not looking at AAS ?
    TKD is a great tool to use when insulin sensitivity goes to crap and needs fixed but you still want the glycogen stores and not have to deplete them. so basically you can improve insulin sensitivity without a full bore depletion .

    long term the goal should be to become very insulin sensitive and healthy levels of body fat so you can actually eat and use carbs efficiently . thats why I say TKD is a tool, it gets you to a goal but is not the goal itself
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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    TKD is a great tool to use when insulin sensitivity goes to crap and needs fixed but you still want the glycogen stores and not have to deplete them. so basically you can improve insulin sensitivity without a full bore depletion .

    long term the goal should be to become very insulin sensitive and healthy levels of body fat so you can actually eat and use carbs efficiently . thats why I say TKD is a tool, it gets you to a goal but is not the goal itself
    Dam fair enough I love keto 3 years straight but I don't think it worked long term.


    As for my carbs a pro locally told me this not sure if I agree he knows what I'm on too

    1 hour pre 1 cup oats 50g whey
    15 minutes pre 25g dextrose
    Pwo 25g dextrose 50g whey

    I always thought zero in intra carbs would be better I'm eating the oatmeal 1 hour pre

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    I've ran Keto a bunch of times . what I've learned from it is that AAS cycles are somewhat wasteful on Keto , Anabolics LOVE CARBS and make great use of them and partition them very well . thats one of the main things that steroids do, especially Tren . Its going to use carbs to super fill your muscles with glycogen (which will help with overall muscle growth being amino acids are shuttled in at the same time).
    if you went Keto then you would not get this great benefit out of AAS use
    Damn dude, we must think alike lol!

    I’m not against KETO, I don’t believe I said I was. It’s just not for me. My body, for what I do, functions better on lower fats, med/high carbs, med/high protein. I do a lot of HIIT training and so my body needs carbs. It’s like putting an Olympic Sprinter on a KETO diet. He won’t function as great (and maybe he will— depends on many factors).

    I firmly believe in this: there is no one size fits all diet scheme that’ll help you shed weight. It depends on many factors: body type, exercise type, genetics, daily life, etc. Just find what works for you man. It took me many years to realize that and it’s finally paying off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by solit1ea View Post
    Damn dude, we must think alike lol!

    I’m not against KETO, I don’t believe I said I was. It’s just not for me. My body, for what I do, functions better on lower fats, med/high carbs, med/high protein. I do a lot of HIIT training and so my body needs carbs. It’s like putting an Olympic Sprinter on a KETO diet. He won’t function as great (and maybe he will— depends on many factors).

    I firmly believe in this: there is no one size fits all diet scheme that’ll help you shed weight. It depends on many factors: body type, exercise type, genetics, daily life, etc. Just find what works for you man. It took me many years to realize that and it’s finally paying off.
    The problem is, no matter how many carbs you eat your body can only store a small finite amount 2-3% by weight in the muscle and 5-7% in the liver. All the excess goes straight to fat cells and it hydrolized and turn to fatty acids. Your body during a workout is using all 4 energy systems to maintain energy balance and production. Depending on how much you weigh, carb loading is nothing but an exercise in futility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    carb loading is nothing but an exercise in futility.
    what are your thoughts on glycogen depletion and then carb loading and super compensation for an enhanced body builder ?

    guys can deplete and then carb load and put on what appears to be 10-20 pounds of muscle in two days (they stayed lean and filled out). is this all glycogen weight, no , but remember a CarboHYDRATE helps promote inter cellular water retention . a muscle filled with glycogen and water is a bigger fuller harder muscle .

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    Quote Originally Posted by GearHeaded View Post
    what are your thoughts on glycogen depletion and then carb loading and super compensation for an enhanced body builder ?

    guys can deplete and then carb load and put on what appears to be 10-20 pounds of muscle in two days (they stayed lean and filled out). is this all glycogen weight, no , but remember a CarboHYDRATE helps promote inter cellular water retention . a muscle filled with glycogen and water is a bigger fuller harder muscle .
    That’s different than say an endurance athlete who’s muscles are already saturated with glycogen. For body builders it makes sense. For every one part glucose 4 parts water have to move into the cell with it. Thus voluminzing the cell and making the muscles look fuller.
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