Hitting natural limit vs starting AAS sooner

[Quester]

Resiliency studies show that around 85% of the people we would consider to be the most successful have overcome a traumatic life event. I'm going with the 30 yr old that to do it the hard way. The one who had to work for it is going to have a more successful CAREER and LIFE.

[David LoPan]

Resiliency studies show that around 85% of the people we would consider to be the most successful have overcome a traumatic life event. I'm going with the 30 yr old that to do it the hard way. The one who had to work for it is going to have a more successful CAREER and LIFE.

I would agree. Twin A saw Twin B take the shortcut and grow faster and bigger, he would up his game during the last 3 years of his natural potential.

[tectime]

Man what a subject for discussion! In this case and what a great scenario you layed out Gearhead, I don't feel like there's much difference in starting at 23 or 26. If both, after starting follow the same protocols with identical genetic potential's, same drive, same everything, eat together, train together, rest together, every imaginable factor identical I don't think you would see any physical differences in either. Not at age 30. Twin a would get the benefit of twin b figuring all the ins and outs of starting this game and his initial cycle should explode him. Then after 4 years of identical training I would think that he would have gained muscle maturity to equal twin babies.

[tectime]

On the health factors of starting at the age 23 versus the 826 again I don't think there's enough different age 26 is still really too young. No one really knows the exact age everyone reaches hormonal maturity. So that little bit of gap at that young of an age who's to say.

[tectime]

And I don't think starting steroids at an early age is going to damage any one's confidence or ability to complete any task. I don't consider steroids a shortcut I consider steroids the next step in a very long process !

[GearHeaded]

another question . do you guys think that Phil Heath would be a 7 time mr Olympia right now if he would have started AAS use 4 years later then he did ? would he have benefited by staying natural for 4 years longer to develop his natty physique further before getting on gear, would his physique be better now because of it ??

personally I think he'd be a 2 x mr Olympia at most if he did that , and that his physique currently would need more years and more size to catch up for the time lost.

[Obs]

another question . do you guys think that Phil Heath would be a 7 time mr Olympia right now if he would have started AAS use 4 years later then he did ? would he have benefited by staying natural for 4 years longer to develop his natty physique further before getting on gear, would his physique be better now because of it ??

personally I think he'd be a 2 x mr Olympia at most if he did that , and that his physique currently would need more years and more size to catch up for the time lost.

Do I train harder than natties?
baaahaaaahaaaaahaaaaahaaa! I train harder than natties taking a sheeeeit!

There hasn't been a natural top level pro since 1950. If anyone doesn't understand the added intensity given by aas they are using it wrong. If someone is serious about building they are gonna have to get real and come on over to the darkside.

[David LoPan]

another question . do you guys think that Phil Heath would be a 7 time mr Olympia right now if he would have started AAS use 4 years later then he did ? would he have benefited by staying natural for 4 years longer to develop his natty physique further before getting on gear, would his physique be better now because of it ??

personally I think he'd be a 2 x mr Olympia at most if he did that, and that his physique currently would need more years and more size to catch up for the time lost.

I think it takes a different mindset to want to be the best at Body Building for competition. I would agree that if your goals is to be the best Body Builder then AAS is a must.

[charger69]

I think it takes a different mindset to want to be the best at Body Building for competition. I would agree that if your goals is to be the best Body Builder then AAS is a must.

I tried competing naturally with others who were on gear. I just realized that I had to go on gear to keep up. They were in their 20's and I was in my 40's.
There is no way Phil would have benefitted being natural longer (excluding the health risks).
I assume that he would grow,into his cycle and then up the ante. He would have missed 4 years of doing this if he went natural.
Someone mentioned what a natural body builder looks like. Your whole approach is so different. I would say it is rare for someone naturlly to get below 7-8% bf naturally. I look back at my natural physique on stage and I sort of looked like I had AIDS (i still got 2nd place).
IMO there is no doubt that you need to cycle to reach your extreme potential. Is it worth the risk? At this point in time I say yes. There will come a point when I say no. As my age increases, I need to keep a closer eye on my bw and make adjustments. Before, I did not need to be so cautious.