Question about Deca

[Vinnie214]

You are asking others to take your perspective in consideration but why don't you do it yourself? Some of these things can take a long time to research (although the basic answers to your questions are easy for you to find too), why would anyone else do that for you knowing that their "help" will harm you, and having to live with being that guy, like if they're some gym dealer trying to make $20 off of you.

Some questions for you

What blood work do you have to do for this cycle

What ancillaries are needed

How long does nandrolone decanoate stay in your system

How does nandrolone decanoate impact your HPTA?

In the UK the doctor decides what to test your blood for, however my previous cycle(test+dbol) blood test consisted of T levels (free and total) estrogen levels (FSH) which both came out very normal 4 weeks after the end of my PCT

I am using arimidex on cycle and have tamoxifen on hand, and clomid for pct.

As far as i know, deca clears your system 3-4 weeks after last shot.

It impacts your HPTA by completely shutting down natural testosterone production and causing damage to the endocrine system.

Yes I have done my homework and read the stickies, bearing in mind I don't have much money and will only use what is absolutely necessary, hence why no HCG.

[charger69]

In the UK the doctor decides what to test your blood for, however my previous cycle(test+dbol) blood test consisted of T levels (free and total) estrogen levels (FSH) which both came out very normal 4 weeks after the end of my PCT

I am using arimidex on cycle and have tamoxifen on hand, and clomid for pct.

As far as i know, deca clears your system 3-4 weeks after last shot.

It impacts your HPTA by completely shutting down natural testosterone production and causing damage to the endocrine system.

Yes I have done my homework and read the stickies, bearing in mind I don't have much money and will only use what is absolutely necessary, hence why no HCG.

Ok. You have accomplished some research however I will mention that I see a red flag. You do not need hCG and you do not need PCT however I would never recommend not using either. If you do not have enough money to accomplish the PCT or HCG then you should not be cycling. Don’t forget the NAC either.
Sorry for being blunt but if your going to do it, do it right or don’t do it.
I would also add Nolva with the clomid.
The sticky goes into detail about the HCG.


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[Vinnie214]

Ok. You have accomplished some research however I will mention that I see a red flag. You do not need hCG and you do not need PCT however I would never recommend not using either. If you do not have enough money to accomplish the PCT or HCG then you should not be cycling. Don’t forget the NAC either.
Sorry for being blunt but if your going to do it, do it right or don’t do it.
I would also add Nolva with the clomid.
The sticky goes into detail about the HCG.


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Oh yes tamoxifen is the same nolva, it will be a part of my PCT I have 2 boxes of each already, PCT is important, but I don't think HCG is. I haven't done too much research on HCG but there is some stigma about whether it is meant to be used as part of a PCT or during the cycle, and I have no problem with shrunken testicles, I think I'll be better off not using it at all, didn't use it for my first cycle and I recovered smoothly with 0 issues, and the only side effects I got were anger and acne on my traps/shoulders, and some accelerated hair loss (genetic).

Nothing estrogenic like gyno and bloating, 0.5 armidex EOD done the trick.

[cousinmuscles]

Oh yes tamoxifen is the same nolva, it will be a part of my PCT I have 2 boxes of each already, PCT is important, but I don't think HCG is. I haven't done too much research on HCG but there is some stigma about whether it is meant to be used as part of a PCT or during the cycle, and I have no problem with shrunken testicles, I think I'll be better off not using it at all, didn't use it for my first cycle and I recovered smoothly with 0 issues, and the only side effects I got were anger and acne on my traps/shoulders, and some accelerated hair loss (genetic).

Nothing estrogenic like gyno and bloating, 0.5 armidex EOD done the trick.

Gyno and bloating are the obvious signs but with that dose you shouldn't have issues.

You'll have to research why HCG is used and why not in PCT and make educated decision not uneducated but economical decisions. All in all looks like a horrible plan and I bet you can get better results naturally although through effort and proper diet.

[cousinmuscles]

In the UK the doctor decides what to test your blood for, however my previous cycle(test+dbol) blood test consisted of T levels (free and total) estrogen levels (FSH) which both came out very normal 4 weeks after the end of my PCT

I am using arimidex on cycle and have tamoxifen on hand, and clomid for pct.

As far as i know, deca clears your system 3-4 weeks after last shot.

It impacts your HPTA by completely shutting down natural testosterone production and causing damage to the endocrine system.

Yes I have done my homework and read the stickies, bearing in mind I don't have much money and will only use what is absolutely necessary, hence why no HCG.

Would have been good to know your blood status to see for hemoglobin/hematocrit, if it's high then you can get issues due to running a triple stacked cycle... You'll need to check your blood pressure too.

FSH is not estrogen! Did you do a blood test last cycle to check if your AI dose/test dose puts you in a good level?

No cabergoline?

No liver support like NAC?

Why not both clomid and nolva for PCT? They work synergistically. Cutting yourself short for $50?

4 weeks after PCT is not enough it takes longer, more like 6 weeks until your brain is no longer stimulated by the SERMs to see if you have recovered. Did you do bloods before to see if your test levels are dropping? If next cycle is one step from TRT?

Deca does not clear for over a year. The small amount left in you hinders recovery and makes it more difficult to restart. Deca is not in the stickies because it's a step beyond a beginner cycle and you should put the effort in researching more.

Making the cheapest possible cycle is stupid when you are risking your health. Do you know what your stack will do to your blood counts, your lipids, your liver? Are orals bad for your gut too?

If you don't have much money, do you have enough for a proper diet? Food costs more even when you buy cheap and in bulk.

No HCG was a poor choice.

[Vinnie214]

Would have been good to know your blood status to see for hemoglobin/hematocrit, if it's high then you can get issues due to running a triple stacked cycle... You'll need to check your blood pressure too.

FSH is not estrogen! Did you do a blood test last cycle to check if your AI dose/test dose puts you in a good level?

No cabergoline?

No liver support like NAC?

Why not both clomid and nolva for PCT? They work synergistically. Cutting yourself short for $50?

4 weeks after PCT is not enough it takes longer, more like 6 weeks until your brain is no longer stimulated by the SERMs to see if you have recovered. Did you do bloods before to see if your test levels are dropping? If next cycle is one step from TRT?

Deca does not clear for over a year. The small amount left in you hinders recovery and makes it more difficult to restart. Deca is not in the stickies because it's a step beyond a beginner cycle and you should put the effort in researching more.

Making the cheapest possible cycle is stupid when you are risking your health. Do you know what your stack will do to your blood counts, your lipids, your liver? Are orals bad for your gut too?

If you don't have much money, do you have enough for a proper diet? Food costs more even when you buy cheap and in bulk.

No HCG was a poor choice.

Unfortunately, it's not up to me what gets tested in my blood and when exactly I can get the tests, healthcare in the UK is very much different than the US. If you want the exact number of my T level, it was 776 ng/dL, which is the higher end of normal range for my age, I highly doubt it reduced from before the first cycle. As for PCT, you guys have misunderstood. I am indeed using both clomid and tamoxifen(nolva) for PCT but I have spare NOLVA incase I need it during the cycle. I know Dbol is liver toxic, hence why I run it for only 4 weeks instead of 6/8, and I make sure i drink PLENTY of water. Food costs aren't an issue, I'm 18, I live with my parents. I honestly don't think It's a huge deal if i don't run HCG, something I may implement for the future but not for now. I'm starting to think triple stacking is a bit of a rush, might stick with test and dbol for a while, I'll see how I react to deca. Thanks for your post

[cousinmuscles]

Unfortunately, it's not up to me what gets tested in my blood and when exactly I can get the tests, healthcare in the UK is very much different than the US. If you want the exact number of my T level, it was 776 ng/dL, which is the higher end of normal range for my age, I highly doubt it reduced from before the first cycle. As for PCT, you guys have misunderstood. I am indeed using both clomid and tamoxifen(nolva) for PCT but I have spare NOLVA incase I need it during the cycle. I know Dbol is liver toxic, hence why I run it for only 4 weeks instead of 6/8, and I make sure i drink PLENTY of water. Food costs aren't an issue, I'm 18, I live with my parents. I honestly don't think It's a huge deal if i don't run HCG, something I may implement for the future but not for now. I'm starting to think triple stacking is a bit of a rush, might stick with test and dbol for a while, I'll see how I react to deca. Thanks for your post

You said you had them both but only planned to use clomid. You won't avoid dbol sides just because you only run it for 4 weeks.

You answered some questions but avoided other.

What are your stats? Lifts? Training experience? Any proof of the stats too?