Estrogen hinder gains

[Dannyboy51577]

And I am not arguing.
I am simply trying to talk myself into AI.

I actually ate .75 mg between yesterday and today.

I truly dont feel it is possible for me to make more progress any faster than I do by any mechanism that wont kill me in ten years but I am curious about whether I should bother with AI at all. I dont get the sides others do.

Obs, im the same, estrogen doesnr bother me, and i dont run much of an ai if any most of the time. Maybe a .25 or .5 a week sometimes, sometimes none. But im curious the same on gains, esoecially since i saw mine almost stop altogether recently. So once i get done with my little self experimentation, ill let you know how it worked on me, hopefully helps

[Obs]

Well nolvadex doesn't lower serum estrogen, meaning all the estrogen in your blood. It just blocks estrogen receptors in some tissues. There is nothing saying it does anything to the androgen receptor either. So whatever estrogen does on the androgen receptor it will do when nolvadex is used too.

Haven't read how much (to which degree) estrogen negates free testosterone, nor any real comparisons using an AI/no AI with test cycles... I don't get gyno but wouldn't even try a full cycle.

Obs, im the same, estrogen doesnr bother me, and i dont run much of an ai if any most of the time. Maybe a .25 or .5 a week sometimes, sometimes none. But im curious the same on gains, esoecially since i saw mine almost stop altogether recently. So once i get done with my little self experimentation, ill let you know how it worked on me, hopefully helps

Just say this in one and respond to both. Thanks.

I have ran AI somewhat regularly before a couple times. It definitely held off my gyno lump for a while. As dosages of aas increased i found it wouldnt phase my gyno lump in the right nipple. I keep it knocked down with nolva on cycle.

As far as hindering gains... In me I can't imagine it.
If it does undoubtedly my ass will be on AI for the duration of my life.

I am ceasing training my delts because they have taken over my body and tied my family up and held them hostage.

My delts will need no effort to class in the ifbb. The rest of me needs work bad.

If I am pissing away gains walking around with 10x the normal estrogen levels I really want to get on ai again but I really havent noticed much difference in the gains department regardless of high or low.

[Dannyboy51577]

Just say this in one and respond to both. Thanks.

I have ran AI somewhat regularly before a couple times. It definitely held off my gyno lump for a while. As dosages of aas increased i found it wouldnt phase my gyno lump in the right nipple. I keep it knocked down with nolva on cycle.

As far as hindering gains... In me I can't imagine it.
If it does undoubtedly my ass will be on AI for the duration of my life.

I am ceasing training my delts because they have taken over my body and tied my family up and held them hostage.

My delts will need no effort to class in the ifbb. The rest of me needs work bad.

If I am pissing away gains walking around with 10x the normal estrogen levels I really want to get on ai again but I really havent noticed much difference in the gains department regardless of high or low.

Same here obs, ive never soent i rep on my front delts but they seem to take over everything. I didnt see a difference in myself either until just recently, but im looking to see if thats estrogen related or just maybe a lull. I figure it will take me maybe 3 wks or so for my levels to get back down to normal range, then i will see if i feel or notice any difference in how i develop. Currently focusing on chest, as that seems to be my most lagging, so gonna measure how i gain and look off ai versus when my levels are normal. If i can feel or see a difference thats good enough for me. If not then onto the next experiment. Im gonna jump on the tren train for the first time, just figuring out when. That oughta be fun. Ill let you know of i noticed anything that may be of help obs

[Quester]

Just say this in one and respond to both. Thanks.

I have ran AI somewhat regularly before a couple times. It definitely held off my gyno lump for a while. As dosages of aas increased i found it wouldnt phase my gyno lump in the right nipple. I keep it knocked down with nolva on cycle.

As far as hindering gains... In me I can't imagine it.
If it does undoubtedly my ass will be on AI for the duration of my life.

I am ceasing training my delts because they have taken over my body and tied my family up and held them hostage.

My delts will need no effort to class in the ifbb. The rest of me needs work bad.

If I am pissing away gains walking around with 10x the normal estrogen levels I really want to get on ai again but I really havent noticed much difference in the gains department regardless of high or low.

Interesting,
I wonder if different tissues, and perhaps different muscles (like delts, for example), have different ratios of androgen/estrogen receptors?

[Dannyboy51577]

Interesting,
I wonder if different tissues, and perhaps different muscles (like delts, for example), have different ratios of androgen/estrogen receptors?

I had the same thoughts initially Q. In my case though i think i just had a bad habit of involving my shoulders too much in my chest movements. But its an interesting topic

[Obs]

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Interesting,
I wonder if different tissues, and perhaps different muscles (like delts, for example), have different ratios of androgen/estrogen receptors?

Delts have more androgen receptors than most muscle groups I am told. As do traps and.... Something... Lats? Idk

[Dannyboy51577]

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Delts have more androgen receptors than most muscle groups I am told. As do traps and.... Something... Lats? Idk

Thats interesting, never knew that. I would imagine certain parts of the body do, just wouldnt have figured on the delts

[Obs]

Thats interesting, never knew that. I would imagine certain parts of the body do, just wouldnt have figured on the delts

Some of the nerds here probably got a map

[Couchlockd]

Some of the nerds here probably got a map

I've heard this, but numberE showed me a few studies that said it was same as any muscle group. that its just the shoulders and traps are tensed and worked to some degree in almost all upper body exersize.

Also. as you know OBS, I followed GH advice on letting estrogen get higher with minimal AI usage, by week 6 on my cycle I had drfinate hard lump gyno starting and bloated about 15 pounds of water and mid section fat that I'm just now getting rid of.

I require .25 Ed of adex. at that dose I feel great joints are good, BP good. bloat kept to a minimum.

I did .5 eod and I would feel crashed about 4 hours later (sore joints in,elbows and not able to get off right)

[hollowedzeus]

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Delts have more androgen receptors than most muscle groups I am told. As do traps and.... Something... Lats? Idk

Hence why fit chicks with capped delts have questionable natty status.

Appears to be the most visable thing to pop