Shredding Cycle starting next week. Need advice for more seasoned users

[kelkel]

What put me on TRT?
When I was 21ish I did 1 cycle of sustanon for 12 weeks....with HCG the whole time, and PCT - everything by the book.
3 months post PCT, still shut down - tried another PCT, still didn't work.

What I didn't take into account at that time was that I was still on a "cut" during the PCT and after, and my macros were shit low....like 220 protein, 150 carb, 50f fat....and it had been an extensive while that I was on a deficit, and already post-cycle.....this may have been the reason why my levels were not bouncing back.

At the time it had been 6 months that I was in a low testo condition, and the "doctor" who I was seeing for it was at an anti-aging clinic.
He was (obviously) steering me towards TRT and saying that more than likely its not going to come back to normal.

My lack of knowledge and experience at the time, combined with having already been shutdown for 6 months and just feeling like shit, and not knowing the potential that my continued shutdown could have been a result of the continued caloric deficit, AND the doctor obviously pushing me towards his financially incentivized outcome - I decided to hop on TRT.

Fast forward about 1.5 years, I realized that I may have not had to go on at all (or maybe I really did). But at that point, 18 months of being on TRT - the damage was probably already done. I am debating going to another endo to ask his opinion on whether or not its possible to come off now after 3 years. I don't really care about the protocol, only thing that still worries me is fertility. I don't plan on having kids for at least another 5/10 years - if there is a scenario where I can still regain fertility by coming off - I would definitely do it, bank a shitload of sperm, and then go back on.


On the bright side.....telling my story to a few younger guys who wanted to hop on the gear did actually persuade them to wait or stay away altogether.

Thank you for relating your story. It very well may help some younger guys here.
In the meantime, you should be all over HCG.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4378070/

[Cupid]

Thank you for relating your story. It very well may help some younger guys here.
In the meantime, you should be all over HCG.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4378070/

I have been running HCG since I started TRT - with 3 times taking 1 month breaks that I had no choice but to because of $ - HCG is the most expensive part of TRT lol. Now I am financially at a level to stay on HCG non stop. I run 350iu EOD.
But will running HCG while on TRT for the next decade maintain my fertility? Will I not become desensitized to it after a while? Did those few breaks I had to take during the first couple years do any damage? - all of these questions I don't know the answer to

[Kyle1337]

I have been running HCG since I started TRT - with 3 times taking 1 month breaks that I had no choice but to because of $ - HCG is the most expensive part of TRT lol. Now I am financially at a level to stay on HCG non stop. I run 350iu EOD.
But will running HCG while on TRT for the next decade maintain my fertility? Will I not become desensitized to it after a while? Did those few breaks I had to take during the first couple years do any damage? - all of these questions I don't know the answer to

HCG is extremely inexpensive. 350IU EOD is too much IMO, maybe that's why it's expensive! But really, find a better source it is really cheap. Better late than never on the HCG though, those small breaks won't hurt at all. I have also read on here somewhere that you won't get desensitized, but I can't recall the full details why. I actually think kelkel posted it at one time... He will chime in.

Also on the building muscle, I didn't fully say it was impossible, just unrealistic (because everything has to be perfect and tons of gear as you said). I am on alot of gear right now can't comment if I gained any muscle but sure don't look like I lost any.

80mcg clen ED
80 mcg t3 ED
50mg tren a EOD
100mg Test C EOD
100mg mast P EOD
50mg EQ EOD
40mg Var ED
25mg Winny

[Cupid]

HCG is extremely inexpensive. 350IU EOD is too much IMO, maybe that's why it's expensive! But really, find a better source it is really cheap. Better late than never on the HCG though, those small breaks won't hurt at all. I have also read on here somewhere that you won't get desensitized, but I can't recall the full details why. I actually think kelkel posted it at one time... He will chime in.

Also on the building muscle, I didn't fully say it was impossible, just unrealistic (because everything has to be perfect and tons of gear as you said). I am on alot of gear right now can't comment if I gained any muscle but sure don't look like I lost any.

80mcg clen ED
80 mcg t3 ED
50mg tren a EOD
100mg Test C EOD
100mg mast P EOD
50mg EQ EOD
40mg Var ED
25mg Winny

Well my logic on the 350iu HCG is two fold:
1 - I am prescribed it. 10000iu bottles. Costs about $100 each from the pharmacy i frequent. From what I have read, once the water has been combined with the lyophilized solution, even in darkness and in fridge, that shit starts losing potency after 2 months. So 350iu EOD puts me somewhere around 1200iu per week x 8 weeks = approx whole bottle. That way i finish each one before the potency loss starts.
2 - I have done 250 iu EOD, and personally, at that dose, I don't like my testicle size or my ejaculate volume - i know this sounds childish....but small testicle size and low ejaculate volume is noticeable to most experienced girls, and I usually prefer not to be questioned about it. 350iu gets me closer to where I was pre TRT

[HoldMyBeer]

Well my logic on the 350iu HCG is two fold:
1 - I am prescribed it. 10000iu bottles. Costs about $100 each from the pharmacy i frequent. From what I have read, once the water has been combined with the lyophilized solution, even in darkness and in fridge, that shit starts losing potency after 2 months. So 350iu EOD puts me somewhere around 1200iu per week x 8 weeks = approx whole bottle. That way i finish each one before the potency loss starts.
2 - I have done 250 iu EOD, and personally, at that dose, I don't like my testicle size or my ejaculate volume - i know this sounds childish....but small testicle size and low ejaculate volume is noticeable to most experienced girls, and I usually prefer not to be questioned about it. 350iu gets me closer to where I was pre TRT

Just how experienced are these girls you are sleeping with?

[kelkel]

Well my logic on the 350iu HCG is two fold:
1 - I am prescribed it. 10000iu bottles. Costs about $100 each from the pharmacy i frequent. From what I have read, once the water has been combined with the lyophilized solution, even in darkness and in fridge, that shit starts losing potency after 2 months. So 350iu EOD puts me somewhere around 1200iu per week x 8 weeks = approx whole bottle. That way i finish each one before the potency loss starts.
2 - I have done 250 iu EOD, and personally, at that dose, I don't like my testicle size or my ejaculate volume - i know this sounds childish....but small testicle size and low ejaculate volume is noticeable to most experienced girls, and I usually prefer not to be questioned about it. 350iu gets me closer to where I was pre TRT

$100? Damn, source it yourself much cheaper.
HCG won't lose potency until about 90 days or so. Even then it's a slow progression. It's not like someone is flipping a switch. I use all mine for 90 days.
Testical size and ejaculate volume? Who's measuring? Factoring in cold days, excessive use, etc?
And who would question you? Seriously.

[Cupid]

$100? Damn, source it yourself much cheaper.
HCG won't lose potency until about 90 days or so. Even then it's a slow progression. It's not like someone is flipping a switch. I use all mine for 90 days.
Testical size and ejaculate volume? Who's measuring? Factoring in cold days, excessive use, etc?
And who would question you? Seriously.

Can I ask how much HCG you personally dose or would recommend I dose?

[kelkel]

Can I ask how much HCG you personally dose or would recommend I dose?

250 iu's x 2 pw is my normal dose. TRT or cycle it doesn't change.