Insulin THAT much of a game changers?

[kelkel]

And I was not going to say any of this because it is a close guarded trick of mine but certain substances interact w the insulin molecule making it 12-20x more potent, can't discuss more of that publicly.

Close guarded trick? Seriously?

[Mr.BB]

Close guarded trick? Seriously?

Can we have the price list for this awesome tricks?

[i_SLAM_cougars]

And I was not going to say any of this because it is a close guarded trick of mine but certain substances interact w the insulin molecule making it 12-20x more potent, can't discuss more of that publicly.

[fiddlesticks]

Yea, I understand you've all ran out of genuine things to say so that's fine idiots.

[Mr.BB]

Yea, I understand you've all ran out of genuine things to say so that's fine idiots.

Really bad commercial skills to call idiots your potential clients

[JuliusPleaser]

I've concluded I'm not going to take Slin, but I am taking LR3 which seems to have some kind of effect on glycogen. I literally ate tons of carbs last night and woke up leaner and fuller. Since taking LR3, it seems everything has been partitioned differently. Its been 2 weeks on it at 50mcg. Some say all this is a GDA, but I feel my other cycles of LR3 have certainly put some lean tissue on my frame.

[kelkel]

Yea, I understand you've all ran out of genuine things to say so that's fine idiots.

Then genuinely tell us about this alleged closely guarded trick?

[tarmyg]

Me and numerous other people maintain 230-280 lb physiques basically on trt+ 1-3 units a day.

Funniest thing I read today.

[fiddlesticks]

Then genuinely tell us about this alleged closely guarded trick?

I won't get into the very specifics but certain compounds, particularly the more controversial ones used in bodybuilding remove a part of the insulin molecule and it becomes much, much stronger, so perhaps it is not fair for me to say "1-3 units of insulin".

[Kay kay]

Different kinds of exogenous insulin actually effect igf in different strengths, I believe novo being ideal. Read up on it

[Obs]

Wowzers, America is a strange place.

Ya, thats no kidding!
The most dangerous anabolic other than maybe oral tren and the like, is perfectly legal. Visl of test!? What!? You goin' jail scumbag!

[GearHeaded]

reading through some of these posts--

insulin when taken correctly is one of the most side effect free drugs a bodybuilder takes . so not sure why someone that already does steroids would have to make a living off of bodybuilding in order to dive into insulin

well you could die from taking insulin . umm well you could die from taking too much aspirin too, heck you could die from drinking too much water. so if your an idiot, your going to die anyway from taking too much of something or falling asleep on the train tracks.

but if your a normal responsible person then its fine. thats why its sold over the counter right along with the Aspirin and Tylenol . Heck doctors hand out prescriptions to very very powerful drugs that can kill you super fast, yet these docs trust their patients not to be idiots and mess up.
and again, heck insulin doesn't even need a prescription.

IF insulin is so prone to killing bodybuilders, please list off 5 or so well known bodybuilders in the last 30 years who have died from insulin use. should be easy to do being insulin is so dangerous and such a killer, right.


again, when taken properly , insulin has the fewest side effects of any other drug we take. wither its HGH, or Testosterone .. insulin if far more side effect free.

BUT having said that.. if your the type of guy that thinks taking a whole bottle of Aspirin is far better then taking just 2 , Insulin probably isn't a good idea for you (as that way of thinking does have one very permanent side effect)

[Chrisp83TRT]

I won't get into the very specifics but certain compounds, particularly the more controversial ones used in bodybuilding remove a part of the insulin molecule and it becomes much, much stronger, so perhaps it is not fair for me to say "1-3 units of insulin".

You realize you still haven’t stayed what exactly you do to maintain this theory of yours ?
Anyone can say anything , doesn’t mean it’s a fact.

Personally this is a lifestyle where we should all be helping one another out..

So if you have some sound advice/information , spill the beans... if not why even state it ?


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[GearHeaded]

how safe and practical is insulin use-

well put it this way.. IF my son wanted to be a bodybuilder , and we had his diet and training spot on , BEFORE ever moving into using Steroids, the first step to optimizing his training and diet and enhance his recovery would be to use insulin.
instead of being the 'last thing' a guy should resort too, its so useful and side effect free and can benefit diet and recovery very well, that it should be the first thing a guy does when moving on from being natty.

[GearHeaded]

Novalin R at Walmart without a prescription.

Wowzers, America is a strange place.

You gotta love a country where you can walk into a single store and go buy a few guns over the counter, get a hell of a deal on a bunch of ammo, buy beer, and pick up some insulin on the way out.

[charger69]

how safe and practical is insulin use-

well put it this way.. IF my son wanted to be a bodybuilder , and we had his diet and training spot on , BEFORE ever moving into using Steroids, the first step to optimizing his training and diet and enhance his recovery would be to use insulin.
instead of being the 'last thing' a guy should resort too, its so useful and side effect free and can benefit diet and recovery very well, that it should be the first thing a guy does when moving on from being natty.

It is more anabolic than AAS and much cheaper!
The one thing I do want to stress is that you do need to respect it. Nothing will happen if you take twice the amount of test. Very bad things can happen if you take twice the amount of insulin.


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[Capebuffalo]

It is more anabolic than AAS and much cheaper!
The one thing I do want to stress is that you do need to respect it. Nothing will happen if you take twice the amount of test. Very bad things can happen if you take twice the amount of insulin.


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Keep high sugar candy, honey, syrup near by that you can get to quick. I mean quick.

[Kay kay]

Good post Gear. So much fear mongering to do with slin it’s dissapointing cause it’s a great addition and guaranteed pharm grade for very low cost.

I would like to add that there is not one documented case of exogenous insulin causing diabetes, and no data points to this being possible, in fact data disproves this as does real life experience.
In fact, insulin can percent the onset of diabetes when using HGH or when simply running an extremely high carb high simple sugar diet for long periods of time on a bulk. Without slin when consuming super high carb dosages your pancreas has to work extra hard and this is not good! Slin gives it the break it needs!

[Kay kay]

Glucose tabs and fruit juice work well also, as do any candies made of glucose.

[Capebuffalo]

@GH. We have discussed this a little but let me ask this. I get to the gym at 7:30 am. An hour work out is long for me. I’m somewhere around 45 min. That being said is there a benefit of pre workout slin for that short workout period followed by post workout slin? If I’m running 5ius pre and post could I just run 10 ius post and get the same results? I know your workouts are about 1.5 hrs so I can see the benefit of pre and post. But mine being 1/2 that is the a measurable benefit?

[kelkel]

how safe and practical is insulin use-

well put it this way.. IF my son wanted to be a bodybuilder , and we had his diet and training spot on , BEFORE ever moving into using Steroids, the first step to optimizing his training and diet and enhance his recovery would be to use insulin.
instead of being the 'last thing' a guy should resort too, its so useful and side effect free and can benefit diet and recovery very well, that it should be the first thing a guy does when moving on from being natty.

You're seriously talking me into this. Be nice to add 10 lbs or so.

[Obs]

You're seriously talking me into this. Be nice to add 10 lbs or so.

I came off a heavy tren cycle onto trt slin bridge and added 10 lbs. Strength went up which blew my mind.
It had me doubting the tren.

I have gone back and forth with it but that initial bridge was wonderful. Since, the gains are not quite so shocking so I am yrying to save it for my two months off this winter. If you are interested in rapid acting shoot me a pm. (KEL ONLY!)

[Capebuffalo]

I came off a heavy tren cycle onto trt slin bridge and added 10 lbs. Strength went up which blew my mind.
It had me doubting the tren.

I have gone back and forth with it but that initial bridge was wonderful. Since, the gains are not quite so shocking so I am yrying to save it for my two months off this winter. If you are interested in rapid acting shoot me a pm. (KEL ONLY!)

Damn. I see how it is around here now.

[Obs]

Damn. I see how it is around here now.

(Or cape!)

[kelkel]

I came off a heavy tren cycle onto trt slin bridge and added 10 lbs. Strength went up which blew my mind.
It had me doubting the tren.

I have gone back and forth with it but that initial bridge was wonderful. Since, the gains are not quite so shocking so I am yrying to save it for my two months off this winter. If you are interested in rapid acting shoot me a pm. (KEL ONLY!)

Good man right there!

Did you keep the 10 lbs?

[charger69]

Keep high sugar candy, honey, syrup near by that you can get to quick. I mean quick.

Glucose tablets at Walmart are cheap and do the trick!


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[charger69]

Cape- I am not GH nor do I pretend to know as much however the thing you will need to watch out for is the doubling up of the dose (pre and Post) in your body. I take 10 before and 10 after. 15 on leg days however this is a little tricky because the pre is still active when I am taking the post.


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[Obs]

Good man right there!

Did you keep the 10 lbs?

Yes but my recent diet has had me fluttering. Kind of inevitable when you eat 10lbs of food in one meal then dont eat for 24 hours other times.

The strength and mass never left. My fluctuations are mainly water/nutrients. 2 day recharge off work with a little slin fills me back up.

[Capebuffalo]

Cape- I am not GH nor do I pretend to know as much however the thing you will need to watch out for is the doubling up of the dose (pre and Post) in your body. I take 10 before and 10 after. 15 on leg days however this is a little tricky because the pre is still active when I am taking the post.


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Oh yeah. We discussed the overlap. I’m just wondering if the 45 min would make a difference. Because isn’t it 15-20 after injection before it starts working?

[Capebuffalo]

Glucose tablets at Walmart are cheap and do the trick!


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But I have a bag of candy.

[Obs]

I like magic stars (luck charms) for carbs btw...



I know some crazy mofos in regards to slin running lantus and rapid blends. It would kill my ass dead. My metabolism wasn't set up for that. I shred carbs too quickly. Maybe a glucose IV drip and I could.

[charger69]

Oh yeah. We discussed the overlap. I’m just wondering if the 45 min would make a difference. Because isn’t it 15-20 after injection before it starts working?

It depends on what type you use. I use the Novalin R


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[Capebuffalo]

It depends on what type you use. I use the Novalin R


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That’s what I’m using.

[GearHeaded]

@GH. We have discussed this a little but let me ask this. I get to the gym at 7:30 am. An hour work out is long for me. I’m somewhere around 45 min. That being said is there a benefit of pre workout slin for that short workout period followed by post workout slin? If I’m running 5ius pre and post could I just run 10 ius post and get the same results? I know your workouts are about 1.5 hrs so I can see the benefit of pre and post. But mine being 1/2 that is the a measurable benefit?

well if your at the gym at 7:30am I'm guessing that you do not have a ton of nutrition in you, perhaps just breakfast ?
IF that is the case then out of pure convenience and to lower the risk of going hypo during your workout then taking your 10iu total dose post workout makes sense. You'll get plenty out of that.

however, if getting even the smallest amount of 'more gains' is the top priority for you I'd still continue with the pre and post workout slin use. Also being your using a regular acting slin. by taking that pre-workout its really not coming into play until about 20-30 mins into your workout after you've had time to begin drinking your intra workout nutrition and saturate the blood with the nutrients that the slin will begin driving into cells where the blood flow is being directed (also why some guys only use insulin pre-workout for their weak body part days).

Plus by time your done with that workout your insulin will have been fully kicked in and nutrients taken in and this will blunt the normal "intra workout and post workout cortisol spike". so you won't get (or at least limit) that catabolic effect that could happen otherwise when training.

Then when your done and your ready to take in more nutrients via your post workout meal your adding more insulin (and again because your adding more nutrition). IF your in a position where you can get in a good post workout meal it makes sense to go ahead and use a bit more insulin to drive those nutrients.. people who are on the go and may not be able to do this post workout don't have that advantage.
so I'd just say take advantage of it if its convenient for you.

[GearHeaded]

if its not convenient to do pre and post workout injections.. then taking in one large bolus dose of slin after you've gotten in plenty of nutrition from your intra workout nutrition and post workout meal, makes sense.

you can use more insulin this way , then you'd be able to use pre workout

[Capebuffalo]

well if your at the gym at 7:30am I'm guessing that you do not have a ton of nutrition in you, perhaps just breakfast ?
IF that is the case then out of pure convenience and to lower the risk of going hypo during your workout then taking your 10iu total dose post workout makes sense. You'll get plenty out of that.

however, if getting even the smallest amount of 'more gains' is the top priority for you I'd still continue with the pre and post workout slin use. Also being your using a regular acting slin. by taking that pre-workout its really not coming into play until about 20-30 mins into your workout after you've had time to begin drinking your intra workout nutrition and saturate the blood with the nutrients that the slin will begin driving into cells where the blood flow is being directed (also why some guys only use insulin pre-workout for their weak body part days).

Plus by time your done with that workout your insulin will have been fully kicked in and nutrients taken in and this will blunt the normal "intra workout and post workout cortisol spike". so you won't get (or at least limit) that catabolic effect that could happen otherwise when training.

Then when your done and your ready to take in more nutrients via your post workout meal your adding more insulin (and again because your adding more nutrition). IF your in a position where you can get in a good post workout meal it makes sense to go ahead and use a bit more insulin to drive those nutrients.. people who are on the go and may not be able to do this post workout don't have that advantage.
so I'd just say take advantage of it if its convenient for you.

Prior to getting to the gym I mix 10 egg whites 8 oz fruit smoothie and 2 packs instant grits and drink it. About 65 gr of carbs there.
I just didn’t know if I was getting any benefit from the pre. Sounds like I am. So 5 ius pre and 10 ius post.

[tarmyg]

GH,

I mentioned before a thread, similar to the "My First Cycle: Planning and Executing a Successful First Cycle", would be extremely useful and could help a lot of newbies doing it in a safe manner without having to guess too much. Just an idea!

[Windex]

reading through some of these posts--

insulin when taken correctly is one of the most side effect free drugs a bodybuilder takes . so not sure why someone that already does steroids would have to make a living off of bodybuilding in order to dive into insulin Because most people have garbage organizational skills and are reactive instead of proactive. How many people in the Q&A have a properly planned out cycle? How many ask about PCT at the end of the cycle? How many don't talk about prolactin on 19nors? How many ask how to change their diet/training in PCT? How many people make the excuse they are so busy they can't even manage meal prep?

well you could die from taking insulin . umm well you could die from taking too much aspirin too, heck you could die from drinking too much water. so if your an idiot, your going to die anyway from taking too much of something or falling asleep on the train tracks.

but if your a normal responsible person then its fine. thats why its sold over the counter right along with the Aspirin and Tylenol That's a fallacy - there are tons of things you can buy OTC (ie - codeine, adrenaline) that shouldn't be available without a script and there are scripts that should be available as OTC. . Heck doctors hand out prescriptions to very very powerful drugs that can kill you super fast, yet these docs trust their patients not to be idiots and mess up. Doctors push drugs because (1) it's a revenue stream, (2)Pharmaceutical companies are the political driving force in medicine and standard of care.
and again, heck insulin doesn't even need a prescription.

IF insulin is so prone to killing bodybuilders, please list off 5 or so well known bodybuilders in the last 30 years who have died from insulin use. should be easy to do being insulin is so dangerous and such a killer, right. death factors and cause of death can be report as mutually exclusive. If I die of a heart attack, it is going to be reported as death from heart attack, not a, b, and c, over y period of time caused the heart attack.


again, when taken properly , insulin has the fewest side effects of any other drug we take. wither its HGH, or Testosterone .. insulin if far more side effect free. So by this statement, Insulin also has fewer side effects than Test Suspension as a preworkout.

BUT having said that.. if your the type of guy that thinks taking a whole bottle of Aspirin is far better then taking just 2 This is a pretty big hyperbole. , Insulin probably isn't a good idea for you (as that way of thinking does have one very permanent side effect)

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Your post comes off as abrasive by calling out everyone in the thread who chose against using slin.

[Capebuffalo]

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Your post comes off as abrasive by calling out everyone in the thread who chose against using slin.

Much respect and not being combative. I read it as GH lifting the cloud that surrounds slin. He does make several good points. However, I do think his description makes it seem to not be a substance that can hurt you and can be used by anyone. My thought is it is not for everyone. It needs to be researched and the pros and cons weighed before use.

[Obs]

I think certain members need to look at their post history all the way to the beginning.
If you have never said compliment to another member and your count is in the thousands....
You should probably go somewhere else imo. Smart is great, but it doesnt cure cocksucker.