Insulin THAT much of a game changers?

[JuliusPleaser]

OK so I have been flirting with the idea of taking some slin, convince me that I should take it.

[almostgone]

I won't talk you into it. Insulin is a powerful addition, but for me it just isn't worth the potential problems.
If I needed insulin to help me make my living, then I might inclined to consider it.....maybe.

[JuliusPleaser]

From what Yates and other pros said basically you'll add muscle but it just balloon muscle; not dense granite like muscle.

[Couchlockd]

From what Yates and other pros said basically you'll add muscle but it just balloon muscle; not dense granite like muscle.

My boy on here makes cycle like gains on cruise with Nova log .

[JuliusPleaser]

Just running slin?

[Couchlockd]

Just running slin?

Well he runs trt dose between but, yes low dose test and slin.

But please research it alot before you jump in.

First thing first is buy a bgl meter and get a base line how you body reacts to carbs and fats (fats slow absorption of carbs if crashing so for insulin usage and post or pre workout, you need to minimize fat so those carbs can easily cover the slin.)

Also for out purpose, the most rapid acting is ideal, you don't want a 24 hour basal type (basalgar, levimir, etc) dropping you all day.

You want the slin to slam carbs and nutes to you muscle, and be out the water in an hour or so.

Other types you gotta keep carbing up through out the day so you don't crash, and constant abundance of carbs is counter productive to body building goals , unless your bulking like crazy. But the rapid onset insulin can fill that role better and give you better control.

Think of asparte (very rapid acting) like Tren ace or Tren base, it's in and out quick after it does it's job.

24 hour types (basal dose)bis like undecanoate. It lingers in effect 24 hours or more.

1 unit covers 12-20g carbs, and I unit drops blood by 25 points give or take.

So let's say you dose 2 units, you will drop 50 points in a matter of a 30minute window or less. So you'll need 30-40 it more grams carbs to offset the insulin effect on blood sugar.

But those carbs after an intense workout are shuttled directly to muscle tissue.

[JuliusPleaser]

Indeed. The only slin I would be able to get would be the OTC kind at Walmart of Costco, and that is even if NJ law allows it; I'm not sure if it does and I have no clue how to find out. From what I understand, these versions are fast acting.

[fiddlesticks]

yup, low dose slin and test is probably more anabolic than high doses of tren, test and whatever other anabolic. honestly insulin by itself probably is considering it increases free T level..

[Windex]

I'm on same page as Almostgone - not advisable unless you're making a living competing at pro level. I don't think the risks outweigh the benefits. Gear and HGH way better than slin. Not sure what OTC you are referring to but Insulin requires a perscription from a pharmacy.

[Couchlockd]

I'm on same page as Almostgone - not advisable unless you're making a living competing at pro level. I don't think the risks outweigh the benefits. Gear and HGH way better than slin. Not sure what OTC you are referring to but Insulin requires a perscription from a pharmacy.

No it doesn't not in my state and slot of others don't for R insulin.

Others like basal and rapid acting

[Windex]

No it doesn't not in my state and slot of others don't for R insulin.

Others like basal and rapid acting

You can walk into the pharmacy and buy Humalin?

[charger69]

You can walk into the pharmacy and buy Humalin?

Novalin R at Walmart without a prescription.


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[Windex]

Novalin R at Walmart without a prescription.


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Wowzers, America is a strange place.

[David LoPanno]

Crap can kill you! If you don't need it then don't risk your life over it! FYI - R is for Rapid, N is intermediate and L is for long acting.


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[Couchlockd]

Crap can kill you! If you don't need it then don't risk your life over it! FYI - R is for Rapid, N is intermediate and L is for long acting.


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No R is regular medium onset 6 hour or so duration

Insulin Chart | Types of Insulin in U.S., Onset, Duration, and Peak

Rapid acting is not denoted by r or n rapid acting has onset of 15 to 30 minutes and about a 90-minute duration regular like Humulin is a 30 to 60 Minutes on set with a 4 to 6 hour duration

[Chrisp83TRT]

I wouldn’t advise it unless you plan on making a living in competing and fitness .
If I’m not mistaken isn’t it something to be taken along side hgh?

[wellshii]

Ahh why not cycle carbs and Keto and do it that way? Insulin is a dangerous compound if not kept an eye on.

[Mr.BB]

OK so I have been flirting with the idea of taking some slin, convince me that I should take it.

Err.. No, not that much of a game changer. Insulin needs perfect diet.

[JuliusPleaser]

I don't have goals to achieve the new age look of bodybuilding; my favorite look was the golden era and none of them took slin. I was just seeing if anyone could convince me lol. But apparently it is what mad the mass monsters of the 90's along with GH

[Couchlockd]

The thing about insulin is what was said above that diet needs to be perfect or it will just make you put on fat that's going to be harder than ever to get rid of

Why don't you just try some metformin it makes you more insulin sensitive and kind of does 20% of what insulin does

[ramacher]

Has anyone taken RUI's Poppa Pump Pro Insulin?

[ramacher]

How would I incorporate Metformin (aka Glucophage) into my diet along with rhGH? Are there preferable times to take the growth to maximize gains from the workouts?

[fiddlesticks]

Insulin is by far the most potent anabolic substance, period, it affects your potential in far different more potent way than steroids, all the people wasting time with GH wanting muscle growth should just be using insulin..

That being said it's not needed unless you make a living with your physique, it is also the potential most dangerous substance.

Modern day bodybuilding is based on the foundation of trenbolone and insulin IMO, the two have an absurdly effective synergy and really no other substances are "required", tren is less required than insulin though for certain. Other drugs barely even do anything at that point outside of DNP, very strong orals (superdrol,m-tren). clen. GH is extremely silly to use by itself considering low doses of insulin raise IGF much, MUCH more than growth hormone does.

[JuliusPleaser]

and what is low dose slin exactly?

[fiddlesticks]

I would say 1-3 units a day.

[Mr.BB]

I would say 1-3 units a day.

This won't do shit, your pancreas can produce a lot more, that is if you are not diabetic.

[fiddlesticks]

This won't do shit, your pancreas can produce a lot more, that is if you are not diabetic.

Wrong, ive seen bloodwork of people doing this where their igf1 raises over 500%.

[charger69]

Wrong, ive seen bloodwork of people doing this where their igf1 raises over 500%.

1-3 iu? My understanding is this is what you would use with no additional glycogen intake during cardio to burn a little more fat.
In other words , you are still in range but at the low end.


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[Mr.BB]

Wrong, ive seen bloodwork of people doing this where their igf1 raises over 500%.

So you are saying insulin depending diabetic have igf1 500% higher?

This would put them very high on cancer risk, you do know igf1 is cancer marker, right?

[Phoenixphysique]

Hi

I will give you my insight on insulin and you can take it for what it's worth . Some coaches use it and swear by it and a lot of us do not really use it for many . I can assure you that your body produces plenty of insulin to do it's job , especially with the right protocols in the diet . Now if someone is however having an issue with insulin sensitivity , say from prolonged GH use , this then may cause me to add some into their program . I would be inclined to likely mix , now i won't give out my protocols but essentially it would involved a combination of slow and faster acting insulin at different times and no this doesn't mean preworkout . In these cases , insulin in strategic dosing and timing can be helpful and of course beneficial .

Now if you are just using it because you think that's what you need or it's going to take your body to the next level , it's not . You can listen to who you trust , this i respect however if someones telling you he's making extra gains just because he's putting exogenous insulin into the body ... he's lying to you or he genuinely thinks it is but it's whatever else he is on doing what it would have regardless . Your body isn't stupid and when it has too much or too little of something , generally it knows and has a protocol for this . If you're planning to do this , understand your messing around with something potentially dangerous if abused without knowledge and also you're flooding your body with insulin it does not need , i am sure you're familiar with what happens when we do this with any type of hormone .

this is just how i feel but believe me , there are plenty of perspectives on insulin use and some swear by it , use your mind , go with your logic and intuition on the matter .

[fiddlesticks]

Yea, I understand you've all ran out of genuine things to say so that's fine idiots.

[Mr.BB]

Yea, I understand you've all ran out of genuine things to say so that's fine idiots.

Really bad commercial skills to call idiots your potential clients

[kelkel]

Yea, I understand you've all ran out of genuine things to say so that's fine idiots.

Then genuinely tell us about this alleged closely guarded trick?

[fiddlesticks]

Then genuinely tell us about this alleged closely guarded trick?

I won't get into the very specifics but certain compounds, particularly the more controversial ones used in bodybuilding remove a part of the insulin molecule and it becomes much, much stronger, so perhaps it is not fair for me to say "1-3 units of insulin".

[Chrisp83TRT]

I won't get into the very specifics but certain compounds, particularly the more controversial ones used in bodybuilding remove a part of the insulin molecule and it becomes much, much stronger, so perhaps it is not fair for me to say "1-3 units of insulin".

You realize you still haven’t stayed what exactly you do to maintain this theory of yours ?
Anyone can say anything , doesn’t mean it’s a fact.

Personally this is a lifestyle where we should all be helping one another out..

So if you have some sound advice/information , spill the beans... if not why even state it ?


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[JuliusPleaser]

I've concluded I'm not going to take Slin, but I am taking LR3 which seems to have some kind of effect on glycogen. I literally ate tons of carbs last night and woke up leaner and fuller. Since taking LR3, it seems everything has been partitioned differently. Its been 2 weeks on it at 50mcg. Some say all this is a GDA, but I feel my other cycles of LR3 have certainly put some lean tissue on my frame.

[GearHeaded]

reading through some of these posts--

insulin when taken correctly is one of the most side effect free drugs a bodybuilder takes . so not sure why someone that already does steroids would have to make a living off of bodybuilding in order to dive into insulin

well you could die from taking insulin . umm well you could die from taking too much aspirin too, heck you could die from drinking too much water. so if your an idiot, your going to die anyway from taking too much of something or falling asleep on the train tracks.

but if your a normal responsible person then its fine. thats why its sold over the counter right along with the Aspirin and Tylenol . Heck doctors hand out prescriptions to very very powerful drugs that can kill you super fast, yet these docs trust their patients not to be idiots and mess up.
and again, heck insulin doesn't even need a prescription.

IF insulin is so prone to killing bodybuilders, please list off 5 or so well known bodybuilders in the last 30 years who have died from insulin use. should be easy to do being insulin is so dangerous and such a killer, right.


again, when taken properly , insulin has the fewest side effects of any other drug we take. wither its HGH, or Testosterone .. insulin if far more side effect free.

BUT having said that.. if your the type of guy that thinks taking a whole bottle of Aspirin is far better then taking just 2 , Insulin probably isn't a good idea for you (as that way of thinking does have one very permanent side effect)

[Kay kay]

Good post Gear. So much fear mongering to do with slin it’s dissapointing cause it’s a great addition and guaranteed pharm grade for very low cost.

I would like to add that there is not one documented case of exogenous insulin causing diabetes, and no data points to this being possible, in fact data disproves this as does real life experience.
In fact, insulin can percent the onset of diabetes when using HGH or when simply running an extremely high carb high simple sugar diet for long periods of time on a bulk. Without slin when consuming super high carb dosages your pancreas has to work extra hard and this is not good! Slin gives it the break it needs!

[Windex]

reading through some of these posts--

insulin when taken correctly is one of the most side effect free drugs a bodybuilder takes . so not sure why someone that already does steroids would have to make a living off of bodybuilding in order to dive into insulin Because most people have garbage organizational skills and are reactive instead of proactive. How many people in the Q&A have a properly planned out cycle? How many ask about PCT at the end of the cycle? How many don't talk about prolactin on 19nors? How many ask how to change their diet/training in PCT? How many people make the excuse they are so busy they can't even manage meal prep?

well you could die from taking insulin . umm well you could die from taking too much aspirin too, heck you could die from drinking too much water. so if your an idiot, your going to die anyway from taking too much of something or falling asleep on the train tracks.

but if your a normal responsible person then its fine. thats why its sold over the counter right along with the Aspirin and Tylenol That's a fallacy - there are tons of things you can buy OTC (ie - codeine, adrenaline) that shouldn't be available without a script and there are scripts that should be available as OTC. . Heck doctors hand out prescriptions to very very powerful drugs that can kill you super fast, yet these docs trust their patients not to be idiots and mess up. Doctors push drugs because (1) it's a revenue stream, (2)Pharmaceutical companies are the political driving force in medicine and standard of care.
and again, heck insulin doesn't even need a prescription.

IF insulin is so prone to killing bodybuilders, please list off 5 or so well known bodybuilders in the last 30 years who have died from insulin use. should be easy to do being insulin is so dangerous and such a killer, right. death factors and cause of death can be report as mutually exclusive. If I die of a heart attack, it is going to be reported as death from heart attack, not a, b, and c, over y period of time caused the heart attack.


again, when taken properly , insulin has the fewest side effects of any other drug we take. wither its HGH, or Testosterone .. insulin if far more side effect free. So by this statement, Insulin also has fewer side effects than Test Suspension as a preworkout.

BUT having said that.. if your the type of guy that thinks taking a whole bottle of Aspirin is far better then taking just 2 This is a pretty big hyperbole. , Insulin probably isn't a good idea for you (as that way of thinking does have one very permanent side effect)

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Your post comes off as abrasive by calling out everyone in the thread who chose against using slin.

[Capebuffalo]

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Your post comes off as abrasive by calling out everyone in the thread who chose against using slin.

Much respect and not being combative. I read it as GH lifting the cloud that surrounds slin. He does make several good points. However, I do think his description makes it seem to not be a substance that can hurt you and can be used by anyone. My thought is it is not for everyone. It needs to be researched and the pros and cons weighed before use.