Insulin THAT much of a game changers?

[fiddlesticks]

This won't do shit, your pancreas can produce a lot more, that is if you are not diabetic.

Wrong, ive seen bloodwork of people doing this where their igf1 raises over 500%.

[charger69]

Wrong, ive seen bloodwork of people doing this where their igf1 raises over 500%.

1-3 iu? My understanding is this is what you would use with no additional glycogen intake during cardio to burn a little more fat.
In other words , you are still in range but at the low end.


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[Mr.BB]

Wrong, ive seen bloodwork of people doing this where their igf1 raises over 500%.

So you are saying insulin depending diabetic have igf1 500% higher?

This would put them very high on cancer risk, you do know igf1 is cancer marker, right?

[fiddlesticks]

Anything used to increase growth factors increases cancer risk, period.

And .. generally speaking someone w diabetes is unhealthy and definitely high risk of all diseases.

[Mr.BB]

Anything used to increase growth factors increases cancer risk, period.

And .. generally speaking someone w diabetes is unhealthy and definitely high risk of all diseases.

And.. insulin does not increase igf1 500%.

If you think it does, please provide evidence, otherwise this discussion is pointless.

Bottom line, exogenous insulin is bio identical to the one our bodies produce, so if you take a small amount your body will only supress the production a bit.

[fiddlesticks]

And.. insulin does not increase igf1 500%.

If you think it does, please provide evidence, otherwise this discussion is pointless.

Bottom line, exogenous insulin is bio identical to the one our bodies produce, so if you take a small amount your body will only supress the production a bit.

You still fail to comprehend 1 iu of insulin produces a result that no amount of naturally released does, i will not proceed with anything until this is understood.

[Mr.BB]

You still fail to comprehend 1 iu of insulin produces a result that no amount of naturally released does, i will not proceed with anything until this is understood.

Why?

Have you ever actually took 1ui of insulin? It doesnt even alter your blood glucose level.

[fiddlesticks]

Why?

Have you ever actually took 1ui of insulin? It doesnt even alter your blood glucose level.

There is no point naturally the body has the concentration of insulin that 1iu of synthetic creates. Me and numerous other people maintain 230-280 lb physiques basically on trt+ 1-3 units a day. Also on bloodwork I've seen GH alone usually 4-8 units increase igf usually only 100-200%. There's also a very strong neurological effect from small sizes of insulin too, boosting adrenaline and painkiller activity.

[Kay kay]

Different kinds of exogenous insulin actually effect igf in different strengths, I believe novo being ideal. Read up on it

[GearHeaded]

how safe and practical is insulin use-

well put it this way.. IF my son wanted to be a bodybuilder , and we had his diet and training spot on , BEFORE ever moving into using Steroids, the first step to optimizing his training and diet and enhance his recovery would be to use insulin.
instead of being the 'last thing' a guy should resort too, its so useful and side effect free and can benefit diet and recovery very well, that it should be the first thing a guy does when moving on from being natty.

[charger69]

how safe and practical is insulin use-

well put it this way.. IF my son wanted to be a bodybuilder , and we had his diet and training spot on , BEFORE ever moving into using Steroids, the first step to optimizing his training and diet and enhance his recovery would be to use insulin.
instead of being the 'last thing' a guy should resort too, its so useful and side effect free and can benefit diet and recovery very well, that it should be the first thing a guy does when moving on from being natty.

It is more anabolic than AAS and much cheaper!
The one thing I do want to stress is that you do need to respect it. Nothing will happen if you take twice the amount of test. Very bad things can happen if you take twice the amount of insulin.


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[kelkel]

how safe and practical is insulin use-

well put it this way.. IF my son wanted to be a bodybuilder , and we had his diet and training spot on , BEFORE ever moving into using Steroids, the first step to optimizing his training and diet and enhance his recovery would be to use insulin.
instead of being the 'last thing' a guy should resort too, its so useful and side effect free and can benefit diet and recovery very well, that it should be the first thing a guy does when moving on from being natty.

You're seriously talking me into this. Be nice to add 10 lbs or so.