Insulin THAT much of a game changers?

[Mr.BB]

I would say 1-3 units a day.

This won't do shit, your pancreas can produce a lot more, that is if you are not diabetic.

[fiddlesticks]

This won't do shit, your pancreas can produce a lot more, that is if you are not diabetic.

Wrong, ive seen bloodwork of people doing this where their igf1 raises over 500%.

[charger69]

Wrong, ive seen bloodwork of people doing this where their igf1 raises over 500%.

1-3 iu? My understanding is this is what you would use with no additional glycogen intake during cardio to burn a little more fat.
In other words , you are still in range but at the low end.


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[Mr.BB]

Wrong, ive seen bloodwork of people doing this where their igf1 raises over 500%.

So you are saying insulin depending diabetic have igf1 500% higher?

This would put them very high on cancer risk, you do know igf1 is cancer marker, right?

[fiddlesticks]

Anything used to increase growth factors increases cancer risk, period.

And .. generally speaking someone w diabetes is unhealthy and definitely high risk of all diseases.

[Mr.BB]

Anything used to increase growth factors increases cancer risk, period.

And .. generally speaking someone w diabetes is unhealthy and definitely high risk of all diseases.

And.. insulin does not increase igf1 500%.

If you think it does, please provide evidence, otherwise this discussion is pointless.

Bottom line, exogenous insulin is bio identical to the one our bodies produce, so if you take a small amount your body will only supress the production a bit.

[fiddlesticks]

And.. insulin does not increase igf1 500%.

If you think it does, please provide evidence, otherwise this discussion is pointless.

Bottom line, exogenous insulin is bio identical to the one our bodies produce, so if you take a small amount your body will only supress the production a bit.

You still fail to comprehend 1 iu of insulin produces a result that no amount of naturally released does, i will not proceed with anything until this is understood.

[Mr.BB]

You still fail to comprehend 1 iu of insulin produces a result that no amount of naturally released does, i will not proceed with anything until this is understood.

Why?

Have you ever actually took 1ui of insulin? It doesnt even alter your blood glucose level.

[Kay kay]

Different kinds of exogenous insulin actually effect igf in different strengths, I believe novo being ideal. Read up on it

[GearHeaded]

how safe and practical is insulin use-

well put it this way.. IF my son wanted to be a bodybuilder , and we had his diet and training spot on , BEFORE ever moving into using Steroids, the first step to optimizing his training and diet and enhance his recovery would be to use insulin.
instead of being the 'last thing' a guy should resort too, its so useful and side effect free and can benefit diet and recovery very well, that it should be the first thing a guy does when moving on from being natty.