First Cycle - Test C and Anavar Questions

[MDFF325]

Hey guys, I’m getting ready to run my first cycle involving Test. About 3 years ago I ran an Anavar only cycle, it was dumb I know so lesson learned and I want to do a Test and Anavar cycle.

Cycle:

400mg Test C per week. 200mg on Monday and Thursday. Weeks 1-10
50mg Anavar ED. Weeks 2-8
Nolva 20mg ED. Weeks 1-10

PCT:

Two weeks after last pin start
1st day Clomid 250mg + Nolva 60mg
Next 10 days Clomid 100mg + Nolva 40mg
Next 10 days Clomid 50mg + Nolva 20mg

Stats:

24 y/o
5’ 11”
210lbs
13% body fat
8 years of training experience

Diet:

Meal 1-
10 egg whites (or 1 cup) / 2 whole eggs
1 cup oats (measure dry)
200g Berries (blueberry, raspberry, strawberry, blackberry)

Meal 2-
10oz chicken breast
2 cups of Jasmine Rice (not brown)
3oz asparagus

Meal 3-
10oz chicken breast
10oz sweet potatoes
3oz asparagus

Meal 4-
Post Workout- Immediately following training
Protein Shake (2 scoops)
200g berries

Meal 5- within 30min of finishing shake
10oz Steak (Flank or Sirloin)
10oz sweet potato

Meal 6-
10oz chicken breast
3oz asparagus

Workout Plan:

Monday - LEG DAY
1) Leg Extension: 3 x 25 (warm up) then 3x12,10,8 increasing weight each set
2) Seated Hamstring Curls 4x16,12,10,8
X
Walking lunges 20 per leg (40 steps)
So total 6 sets of leg ext and 6 sets of lunges.
3) Leg Press : 2x25 increasing weight each set, then 3 sets 12,10,8
3) Squats
3x20,15,10 Narrow
3 x15,10,8 Wide (Sumo style. Legs far apart, toes pointed out)
4) Single (Iso) leg extensions: 4 sets (per leg) 16,12,10,8
5) Superset: Lying Hamstring Curls
4x16,12,10,8
X
Adductor 4x25 (do set on hammies, then set of adductors. Back and forth for all 4 sets)
6) Glute Kickbacks - 4x16,12,10,8 (2 sec pause at contraction) heavy, heavy

TOUCH UPS
Lower Abs 3x25
Calves 3 drop sets 15/15/15 (squeeze at top)


Tuesday - BACK
1) Pull Ups 3x15 (wide grip)
3x15 (close grip)
2) Pull Down (Wide grip) 4x20,16,10,8
3) Pull Down (Close grip, V-Bar) 4x16,12,10,8
4) Superset:
Bent Over Barbell Row
4x16,12,10,8
X
Rack Pulls (same reps as Rows)
5) Reverse Grip Row (alternate each week w machine, bent over, high, low, etc) 4x12,12,10,8 increase weight each time
6) Hyper ext 4x25 (bodyweight only)

TOUCH UPS
Tricep Pushdowns (EZ bar cable) 4x25,25,15,10
Hamstring Curls 4x16,12,10,8
Superset w
Adductors 4x25


Wednesday- ARMS
1) Rope Tricep ext 4x25,15,10,10
Superset w/
Straight bar cable curls 4x25,15,10,10
2) Straight Bar Cable Pushdown 4x16,12,10,8
Superset w/
High Cable Curls 4x16,12,10,8
3) Tricep EZ Bar Nose Breakers 4x50,50,25,10
Superset w/
EZ Bar Curls 4x50,50,25,10
4) Single Arm Tricep Cable Pushdowns (hard squeeze) 4x16,12,10,8
5) Preacher Curls 3x25 (hard squeeze)
Superset w/
Dips 3x failure

TOUCH UPS
Shoulder lateral raises
3x15 nonstop up rack, 3x15 back down with rear delt movement.
Calves 3 Drop Set


Thursday- LEG DAY
1) Superset:
Lying Leg Curls 3x30,25,20
X
Walking Lunges 20 each leg (40 steps)
2) Reverse hack squats 4x20,15,10,10
3) Dumbbell/Barbell Stiff Leg Deadlift 4x20,15,12,10 (Butt on wall)
4) Single Leg Press (Start w 1 plate each side. Add plate each set) 3x25,20,15
5) Weighted Lunges superset w Squat 3x30/30
6) Superset:
Seated Leg Curls 3x20,15,10
X
Abductor 3x25
6) Glute Kickbacks 4x16,12,10,8 (HEAVY!!)

TOUCH UPS
Hyper ext (bodyweight) 4x25

Friday -
CHEST/Arms
CHEST-
1) Hammer Strength Super Set
3 sets of 30 (seat high/med/low)
2) Incline Dumbell Press - 4x20,16,12,10
3) Cable flyes 3x20,15,10 superset w/
Close Push Ups - 3x failure
4) Flat Bench Press (keep grip close) 3x50 (135lbs)
5) Single arm incline Hammer Press 3x20,15,10
ARMS
1) Alternating bicep dumbbell curls 4x20,16,12,10 superset w/
overhead single tricep ext. 4x16,12,10,8
2) Straight Bar cable curls
3x20 make sure arms extend completely and pause for 1 sec at top of contraction)
Superset w/
V-Bar tricep push downs (squeeze 2 sec)
3x20,15,12
3) Dips 3x25

TOUCH UPS
Calves - 3 drop sets (15/15/15)
Lower Abs 3x25
Superset w-
Hyper Ext 3x25


Saturday - SHOULDERS
1) Smith Machine Shoulder Press: 4x25
Superset w
Lateral Raises 4x15
2) Seated Rear Delt Lateral Raises 4x20,15,12.10 (sit on end of bench, lean over slightly 45* angle, and squeeze at top)
3) Superset:
Reverse pec deck 4x20,20,15,15
X
Front Shoulder Raises 4x12,12,10,10
4) Your choice of shoulder exercise 3 sets

TOUCH UPS-
-Warm ups for Deadlifts-
Lying Hamstring Curls 3x25
Superset w/
Adductors 3x25
Glute Kickbacks 3x25
----
Deadlifts 6-8 sets (depending on time) increase weight each set. No lower than 6 reps.
----

Sunday- REST DAY - Cardio Only

I’m looking for recommendations, comments, or concerns to any of the above info to help me perfect this thing.

[GearHeaded]

Nice to see at 24 years old you actually took the time to think this through and write this all down (a lot of guys in your generation would of just sent a once sentence 'text' as their whole plan).

Whats your main goal for this cycle?

[MDFF325]

The end goal of this cycle? Hopefully a net gain of anywhere from 10-15 pounds. Competing has recently started to interest me and I started researching different competitions, and those who compete at my age. Unfortunately at this point I can’t really enter a comp. and have any chance against other guys my age without some help.

[Windex]

Hey guys, I’m getting ready to run my first cycle involving Test. About 3 years ago I ran an Anavar only cycle, it was dumb I know so lesson learned and I want to do a Test and Anavar cycle.

Cycle:

400mg Test C per week. 200mg on Monday and Thursday. Weeks 1-10
50mg Anavar ED. Weeks 2-8
Nolva 20mg ED. Weeks 1-10

PCT:

Two weeks after last pin start
1st day Clomid 250mg + Nolva 60mg
Next 10 days Clomid 100mg + Nolva 40mg
Next 10 days Clomid 50mg + Nolva 20mg

Stats:

24 y/o
5’ 11”
210lbs
13% body fat
8 years of training experience

Diet:

Meal 1-
10 egg whites (or 1 cup) / 2 whole eggs
1 cup oats (measure dry)
200g Berries (blueberry, raspberry, strawberry, blackberry)

Meal 2-
10oz chicken breast
2 cups of Jasmine Rice (not brown)
3oz asparagus

Meal 3-
10oz chicken breast
10oz sweet potatoes
3oz asparagus

Meal 4-
Post Workout- Immediately following training
Protein Shake (2 scoops)
200g berries

Meal 5- within 30min of finishing shake
10oz Steak (Flank or Sirloin)
10oz sweet potato

Meal 6-
10oz chicken breast
3oz asparagus

Workout Plan:

Monday - LEG DAY
1) Leg Extension: 3 x 25 (warm up) then 3x12,10,8 increasing weight each set
2) Seated Hamstring Curls 4x16,12,10,8
X
Walking lunges 20 per leg (40 steps)
So total 6 sets of leg ext and 6 sets of lunges.
3) Leg Press : 2x25 increasing weight each set, then 3 sets 12,10,8
3) Squats
3x20,15,10 Narrow
3 x15,10,8 Wide (Sumo style. Legs far apart, toes pointed out)
4) Single (Iso) leg extensions: 4 sets (per leg) 16,12,10,8
5) Superset: Lying Hamstring Curls
4x16,12,10,8
X
Adductor 4x25 (do set on hammies, then set of adductors. Back and forth for all 4 sets)
6) Glute Kickbacks - 4x16,12,10,8 (2 sec pause at contraction) heavy, heavy

TOUCH UPS
Lower Abs 3x25
Calves 3 drop sets 15/15/15 (squeeze at top)


Tuesday - BACK
1) Pull Ups 3x15 (wide grip)
3x15 (close grip)
2) Pull Down (Wide grip) 4x20,16,10,8
3) Pull Down (Close grip, V-Bar) 4x16,12,10,8
4) Superset:
Bent Over Barbell Row
4x16,12,10,8
X
Rack Pulls (same reps as Rows)
5) Reverse Grip Row (alternate each week w machine, bent over, high, low, etc) 4x12,12,10,8 increase weight each time
6) Hyper ext 4x25 (bodyweight only)

TOUCH UPS
Tricep Pushdowns (EZ bar cable) 4x25,25,15,10
Hamstring Curls 4x16,12,10,8
Superset w
Adductors 4x25


Wednesday- ARMS
1) Rope Tricep ext 4x25,15,10,10
Superset w/
Straight bar cable curls 4x25,15,10,10
2) Straight Bar Cable Pushdown 4x16,12,10,8
Superset w/
High Cable Curls 4x16,12,10,8
3) Tricep EZ Bar Nose Breakers 4x50,50,25,10
Superset w/
EZ Bar Curls 4x50,50,25,10
4) Single Arm Tricep Cable Pushdowns (hard squeeze) 4x16,12,10,8
5) Preacher Curls 3x25 (hard squeeze)
Superset w/
Dips 3x failure

TOUCH UPS
Shoulder lateral raises
3x15 nonstop up rack, 3x15 back down with rear delt movement.
Calves 3 Drop Set


Thursday- LEG DAY
1) Superset:
Lying Leg Curls 3x30,25,20
X
Walking Lunges 20 each leg (40 steps)
2) Reverse hack squats 4x20,15,10,10
3) Dumbbell/Barbell Stiff Leg Deadlift 4x20,15,12,10 (Butt on wall)
4) Single Leg Press (Start w 1 plate each side. Add plate each set) 3x25,20,15
5) Weighted Lunges superset w Squat 3x30/30
6) Superset:
Seated Leg Curls 3x20,15,10
X
Abductor 3x25
6) Glute Kickbacks 4x16,12,10,8 (HEAVY!!)

TOUCH UPS
Hyper ext (bodyweight) 4x25

Friday -
CHEST/Arms
CHEST-
1) Hammer Strength Super Set
3 sets of 30 (seat high/med/low)
2) Incline Dumbell Press - 4x20,16,12,10
3) Cable flyes 3x20,15,10 superset w/
Close Push Ups - 3x failure
4) Flat Bench Press (keep grip close) 3x50 (135lbs)
5) Single arm incline Hammer Press 3x20,15,10
ARMS
1) Alternating bicep dumbbell curls 4x20,16,12,10 superset w/
overhead single tricep ext. 4x16,12,10,8
2) Straight Bar cable curls
3x20 make sure arms extend completely and pause for 1 sec at top of contraction)
Superset w/
V-Bar tricep push downs (squeeze 2 sec)
3x20,15,12
3) Dips 3x25

TOUCH UPS
Calves - 3 drop sets (15/15/15)
Lower Abs 3x25
Superset w-
Hyper Ext 3x25


Saturday - SHOULDERS
1) Smith Machine Shoulder Press: 4x25
Superset w
Lateral Raises 4x15
2) Seated Rear Delt Lateral Raises 4x20,15,12.10 (sit on end of bench, lean over slightly 45* angle, and squeeze at top)
3) Superset:
Reverse pec deck 4x20,20,15,15
X
Front Shoulder Raises 4x12,12,10,10
4) Your choice of shoulder exercise 3 sets

TOUCH UPS-
-Warm ups for Deadlifts-
Lying Hamstring Curls 3x25
Superset w/
Adductors 3x25
Glute Kickbacks 3x25
----
Deadlifts 6-8 sets (depending on time) increase weight each set. No lower than 6 reps.
----

Sunday- REST DAY - Cardio Only

I’m looking for recommendations, comments, or concerns to any of the above info to help me perfect this thing.

- You are missing HCG

- No mention of bloodwork pre/post/during

- Need to have an AI on hand no mention of that in your proposed cycle

- Skip the Anavar - you've never run Test before you need to see how your body and hormones respond to only Test (such as estrogen).

- Diet has ALOT of room for improvement, it's about a 6.5/10
> Missing a lot of micronutrients when your only vegetable is asparagus
> 400g of carbs from sugar (have you monitored yourself for an extended time to know how you respond to this much sugar ?)
> Only two servings of vegetables and only one vegetable type
> no fats except steak or trace amounts from food

- Cycle of 12 weeks not 10

- You should start your workouts with the compound exercises first. Like squats on leg day

Step 1 is fixing the nutrition
Step 2 should be bloodwork
Step 3 is HCG + AI on hand
Step 4 is saving anacar for another cycle

[MDFF325]

- You are missing HCG

- No mention of bloodwork pre/post/during

- Need to have an AI on hand no mention of that in your proposed cycle

- Skip the Anavar - you've never run Test before you need to see how your body and hormones respond to only Test (such as estrogen).

- Diet has ALOT of room for improvement, it's about a 6.5/10
> Missing a lot of micronutrients when your only vegetable is asparagus
> 400g of carbs from sugar (have you monitored yourself for an extended time to know how you respond to this much sugar ?)
> Only two servings of vegetables and only one vegetable type
> no fats except steak or trace amounts from food

- Cycle of 12 weeks not 10

- You should start your workouts with the compound exercises first. Like squats on leg day

Step 1 is fixing the nutrition
Step 2 should be bloodwork
Step 3 is HCG + AI on hand
Step 4 is saving anacar for another cycle

Side Note as far as the micronutrients is that I use, and have used Orange Triad by Controlled Labs since I started lifting 8 years ago. Do I believe multivitamins are as effective as whole food? No. But it is a way to hit those numbers as far as micronutrients.

I have blood work scheduled for next week, as I plan to start in a few weeks and I read the recommended “pre” Test should be roughly two weeks out. Here is what they’re testing: Common and free testosterone, Follicle-stimulating hormone, Luteinizing hormone, Estrogen, Prolactin, Progesteron, Cortisol, Thyroxine.

As for the HCG and AI, through my research the 400/wk will have me shut down by week 4. But at such low doses of test, in comparison to some, will my estrogen rise high enough to need a complete Estrogen blocker such as HCG or an AI? Or will the Nolva which basically impedes the effects of Estrogen be a better choice due to the relatively lower levels than most in this situation?

Through my research I was pretty set on the Test and Var being a very “beginner” cycle especially at the low doses of both supplements. What effects will the anavar have on my estrogen levels that are making you say that?

Thank you for all your input by the way, it’s really appreciated.

[GearHeaded]

As for the HCG and AI, through my research the 400/wk will have me shut down by week 4. But at such low doses of test, in comparison to some, will my estrogen rise high enough to need a complete Estrogen blocker such as HCG or an AI? Or will the Nolva which basically impedes the effects of Estrogen be a better choice due to the relatively lower levels than most in this situation?

Your going to be running 20mg of Nolva on this cycle . You are NOT likely going to need to run an AI at all. No point in running something thats going to hinder your gains unless your super estrogen sensitive and have to run it. having it on hand is still a good idea.
the Nolva will block estrogen where you need it blocked, breast tissue fat tissue etc., but it will allow estrogen function where we do want it, liver and muscle tissue for example.
Fyi - HCG is not an anti estrogen in any way shape or form. it simply mimics LH and thus helps keep the testes from shutting completely down.
you'll have a more successful PCT running HCG


personally. I think running things like VAR, Tbol, Winstrol, Masteon, etc. on a first cycle is absolutely fine (heck they all have less side effects then test and in many cases make test work better and limit side effects, ).. 'Test' itself is actually the dirtier and harder to get used to compound then these other ones. high dosage Test only cycles are more advanced then these other multiple compound cycles (yet 'test only' cycles are popularly preached as the best way to go for a newbie). thats just my opinion. but I think you running VAR is just fine for this situation.

IF my son was going to run his first cycle and I helped him .. it would NOT be a moderate dosage 'test only cycle' . thats how convinced I am there are better options for a first cycle then what is popular online

[MDFF325]

Your going to be running 20mg of Nolva on this cycle . You are NOT likely going to need to run an AI at all. No point in running something thats going to hinder your gains unless your super estrogen sensitive and have to run it. having it on hand is still a good idea.
the Nolva will block estrogen where you need it blocked, breast tissue fat tissue etc., but it will allow estrogen function where we do want it, liver and muscle tissue for example.
Fyi - HCG is not an anti estrogen in any way shape or form. it simply mimics LH and thus helps keep the testes from shutting completely down.
you'll have a more successful PCT running HCG


personally. I think running things like VAR, Tbol, Winstrol, Masteon, etc. on a first cycle is absolutely fine (heck they all have less side effects then test and in many cases make test work better and limit side effects, ).. 'Test' itself is actually the dirtier and harder to get used to compound then these other ones. high dosage Test only cycles are more advanced then these other multiple compound cycles (yet 'test only' cycles are popularly preached as the best way to go for a newbie). thats just my opinion. but I think you running VAR is just fine for this situation.

IF my son was going to run his first cycle and I helped him .. it would NOT be a moderate dosage 'test only cycle' . thats how convinced I am there are better options for a first cycle then what is popular online

Awesome!! Thank you very much. I’ll look more into the AI and see if I can find some in the next few weeks to have whether I use it or not will depend on a little more research on my end. I’ll continue to research “beginner” cycles and I’ll see what other people have to say if anyone else comments as to whether the Var is a good or bad idea on the first go. For now, the plan is to still run both Var and Test.

[GearHeaded]

Awesome!! Thank you very much. I’ll look more into the AI and see if I can find some in the next few weeks to have whether I use it or not will depend on a little more research on my end. I’ll continue to research “beginner” cycles and I’ll see what other people have to say if anyone else comments as to whether the Var is a good or bad idea on the first go. For now, the plan is to still run both Var and Test.

ok, also (not to add more to your plate, but.. .) having the AI is also a good idea as you can use it at the tail end of your cycle to help you transition into going into PCT.
Your PCT protocol could use a little work imo. using the VAR at the tail end, instead of at the beginning, and using an AI the last couple weeks going into PCT can help you recover faster.

instead of crowding your thread with this info, look out for me starting a new thread here shortly about PCT protocols that may be of help to you

[Windex]

Side Note as far as the micronutrients is that I use, and have used Orange Triad by Controlled Labs since I started lifting 8 years ago. Do I believe multivitamins are as effective as whole food? No. But it is a way to hit those numbers as far as micronutrients.

I have blood work scheduled for next week, as I plan to start in a few weeks and I read the recommended “pre” Test should be roughly two weeks out. Here is what they’re testing: Common and free testosterone, Follicle-stimulating hormone, Luteinizing hormone, Estrogen, Prolactin, Progesteron, Cortisol, Thyroxine.

As for the HCG and AI, through my research the 400/wk will have me shut down by week 4. But at such low doses of test, in comparison to some, will my estrogen rise high enough to need a complete Estrogen blocker such as HCG or an AI? Or will the Nolva which basically impedes the effects of Estrogen be a better choice due to the relatively lower levels than most in this situation?

Through my research I was pretty set on the Test and Var being a very “beginner” cycle especially at the low doses of both supplements. What effects will the anavar have on my estrogen levels that are making you say that?

Thank you for all your input by the way, it’s really appreciated.

It's not about the effects on Anavar on estrogen - its about understanding how Testosterone runs in your body at supraphysiological levels. Testosterone is the base of every cycle and the only way you will ever know what dose of Test works best is from running it alone with bloodwork to see hormone levels.

There is a sticky on how to run a first successful cycle you should read that.

HCG is not an estrogen blocker, not sure where you read that. It's used to prevent your testicles from turning into peanuts and it replaces LH + FSH in the pressence of exogenous testoserone.

There is no golden rule on when you get shut down on Testosterone - week 4 is a lot of bro-science nonsense. I've seen people with accompanying bloodwork (Ie FSH+LH at 0) as early as week 2. It all depends on your body.

400mg is not a low dose of Test. Testoserone Replacement Therapy typically starts at 80-100mg per week, so 400mg is 4x a therapeutic dose.

There is more to nutrition than vitamins, minerals, carbs, fat, and protein. There is also phytonutrients, carb sensitivity, fasting, and 101 other things that are important for longterm goals. On top of that, multivitamins often do more damage than benefit. Orange Triad is the perfect example of a useless product. It has an unhealthy, even borderline long-term dangerous amount of B12. The "joint complex" is at a higher dose of someone who would be pre-osteoporosis. The Vitamins A, K, and C are completely eclipsed from the Asaparagus you are eating. 2 of the 3 derivatives of the Calcium they use are barely bio-available for absorption. 400 grams of berries has more antioxidants than the entire 6capsules of Orange Triad. Long story short you are wasting your money on it.


10-15lbs of muscle is never going to happen in 1 cycle at your point, even if your bathtub was full of Testosterone and you had a garage of Anavar tablets. The scale will go up 10-15lbs provided a caloric surplus but it's going to include fat and water retention. Not trying to rain on your parade but it's important to have realistic expectations - the member cycel results thread is a good place to start where other members include before/after pictures. A lot of beginners can't visualize what 2, 4, or 6 lbs of muscle mass increase looks like. Even something as simple as 3 lbs of muscle gained and 3 lbs of fat lost is a big transformation. When people have unrealistic expectations they often end up either trying to stay on or increasing doses for no reason.

[MDFF325]

It's not about the effects on Anavar on estrogen - its about understanding how Testosterone runs in your body at supraphysiological levels. Testosterone is the base of every cycle and the only way you will ever know what dose of Test works best is from running it alone with bloodwork to see hormone levels.

There is a sticky on how to run a first successful cycle you should read that.

HCG is not an estrogen blocker, not sure where you read that. It's used to prevent your testicles from turning into peanuts and it replaces LH + FSH in the pressence of exogenous testoserone.

There is no golden rule on when you get shut down on Testosterone - week 4 is a lot of bro-science nonsense. I've seen people with accompanying bloodwork (Ie FSH+LH at 0) as early as week 2. It all depends on your body.

400mg is not a low dose of Test. Testoserone Replacement Therapy typically starts at 80-100mg per week, so 400mg is 4x a therapeutic dose.

There is more to nutrition than vitamins, minerals, carbs, fat, and protein. There is also phytonutrients, carb sensitivity, fasting, and 101 other things that are important for longterm goals. On top of that, multivitamins often do more damage than benefit. Orange Triad is the perfect example of a useless product. It has an unhealthy, even borderline long-term dangerous amount of B12. The "joint complex" is at a higher dose of someone who would be pre-osteoporosis. The Vitamins A, K, and C are completely eclipsed from the Asaparagus you are eating. 2 of the 3 derivatives of the Calcium they use are barely bio-available for absorption. 400 grams of berries has more antioxidants than the entire 6capsules of Orange Triad. Long story short you are wasting your money on it.


10-15lbs of muscle is never going to happen in 1 cycle at your point, even if your bathtub was full of Testosterone and you had a garage of Anavar tablets. The scale will go up 10-15lbs provided a caloric surplus but it's going to include fat and water retention. Not trying to rain on your parade but it's important to have realistic expectations - the member cycel results thread is a good place to start where other members include before/after pictures. A lot of beginners can't visualize what 2, 4, or 6 lbs of muscle mass increase looks like. Even something as simple as 3 lbs of muscle gained and 3 lbs of fat lost is a big transformation. When people have unrealistic expectations they often end up either trying to stay on or increasing doses for no reason.

To start you’re not raining on my parade, you’re obviously more educated than I am and that’s exactly why I started this thread. It was to learn and perfect this cycle before beginning. I clearly have a lot more research to do and will take all your advice into consideration. I have a lot to work on with my diet, it sounds like I’d be an idiot to not get HCG. The combo of Var and Test I’m still going to heavily research. I’ll go read those threads, especially regarding PCT and my first cycle as a whole. Thank you very much.

[Obs]

I really like this thread.
Buncha maturity and intelligence in here.
Nobody being dicks...

[GearHeaded]

just to give you something else to think about, just for grins really. you don't "HAVE TO" know precisely how supra-physiological levels of test are going to effect your body. Thats because you don't "HAVE TO" run anything more then a replacement dosage of test. You could go your whole AAS career having ran nothing more then 150mg a week of test.
heck there was a good decade or two in the earlier days of bodybuilding when some guys never even ran test (just anabolics).

having said that, I'm being a hypocrite here as I personally am running 1250 mg a week of test currently . but NOT because I 'have to'. like I said you could go your whole career running plenty of Anaboics and never mess with supra-physiological levels of test.
(if you want to get massive though, test is best)