Bloodwork mid cycle. Feedback please

[kelkel]

Zero need for Dutasteride unless you have BPH issues. Dutasteride is a type 1 & 2 enzyme blocker and can block up to 90% of DHT and it's obviously doing one hell of a job. But again, it's a job that uncalled for at this time. If nothing else drastically reduce your dose of it.

But your test is without question quality gear!

[Notpretty]

Zero need for Dutasteride unless you have BPH issues. Dutasteride is a type 1 & 2 enzyme blocker and can block up to 90% of DHT and it's obviously doing one hell of a job. But again, it's a job that uncalled for at this time. If nothing else drastically reduce your dose of it.

But your test is without question quality gear!

First time taking dutasteride. I’m losing my hair. That the only reason I tried it. It’s way too low. I agree. If I want to keep my hair, is there a better option. I hate that propicia sticky crap topically applied.

To the prior response. I didn’t think you wanted estrogen to go up due to all the issues that presents?? My estradiol is in range.?.? I thought that was the goal.

Also, my lipids rarely change significantly wether at TRT dose or at this level of test e. Tren f’d up my HDL once but it came right back to my typical 30-40 range. Generally my tri-glycerides are high and always are. Genetic...father has it too.

Is 4K+ Test score normal given 500 test e? I’m new to the LC/MS test show over 1500.

[EDCG19]

First time taking dutasteride. I’m losing my hair. That the only reason I tried it. It’s way too low. I agree. If I want to keep my hair, is there a better option. I hate that propicia sticky crap topically applied.

https://www.hairlossrevolution.com/b...r-hair-growth/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5406845/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4289931/

[EDCG19]

I'm confused on something with your blood work though. Your red blood cells etc.. are really good for being on 500mg of test, mine are all over the charts and it makes me wonder why. You're running much more test than i have ever run but somehow a little boost in test and my hema rises

[Notpretty]

My RBC do fluctuate. This test is affected by a donation of blood done prior to the cycle...that all I can think of. My hematocrit goes high occasionally and I donate to reduce it.

[GearHeaded]

I'm confused on something with your blood work though. Your red blood cells etc.. are really good for being on 500mg of test, mine are all over the charts and it makes me wonder why. You're running much more test than i have ever run but somehow a little boost in test and my hema rises

just a side note here - OP's hematocrit etc. may be low right now also due to the fact that he is keeping his DHT levels low on this cycle .. I believe there may be a direct connection between DHT and erythropoietin production (the more you produce the more red blood cells you produce).

however I'd have to go back and look into that more . its an interesting connection if it exists

[EDCG19]

just a side note here - OP's hematocrit etc. may be low right now also due to the fact that he is keeping his DHT levels low on this cycle .. I believe there may be a direct connection between DHT and erythropoietin production (the more you produce the more red blood cells you produce).

however I'd have to go back and look into that more . its an interesting connection if it exists

na thats not it, i am having trouble understanding the whole RBC thing
I saw some blood work on another source board and this kid is running 500mg test, deca and a couple of other things what i didn't understand why.. his hemaglobin/hematrocit was at 43 and like 15-16 for hemaglobin
I jump my dose up to 300mg and I'm already in the 55 range and 19 for hemaglobin
What is the difference i dont know? This guy wasn't building thicker/heavier blood but i am somehow?

[GearHeaded]

na thats not it, i am having trouble understanding the whole RBC thing
I saw some blood work on another source board and this kid is running 500mg test, deca and a couple of other things what i didn't understand why.. his hemaglobin/hematrocit was at 43 and like 15-16 for hemaglobin
I jump my dose up to 300mg and I'm already in the 55 range and 19 for hemaglobin
What is the difference i dont know? This guy wasn't building thicker/heavier blood but i am somehow?

do you happen to be a Caucasian (white guy) of upper/Northern European decent ? I've read if so your more genetically pre disposed to the elevated hematocrit levels (genetics is 90% of it) ,. also, do you currently live at higher elevation (or have you) , like 4000+ feet above sea level. if so your levels are also going to be much higher then other guys that do not

[GearHeaded]

athletes will purposely train at high elevation to raise their RBC . the US Olympic training center is at 6500 feet above sea level for a reason..
people use hyperbaraic chambers when living at sea level, to simulate living at high elevation in order to increase their RBC

[Notpretty]

just a side note here - OP's hematocrit etc. may be low right now also due to the fact that he is keeping his DHT levels low on this cycle .. I believe there may be a direct connection between DHT and erythropoietin production (the more you produce the more red blood cells you produce).

however I'd have to go back and look into that more . its an interesting connection if it exists

I wanted to reply to the above because I stopped all DHT blockers at week 8 based on the comments. And I just did a cheap BW test to check lipids and basic panel at week 16. The hematocrit jumped to 51.6 on week 16. I was 48.9 week 8. So that’s follows your thought on blood cell production relative to DHT. Conclusive...not really but a piece of data.

[Chrisp83TRT]

First time taking dutasteride. I’m losing my hair. That the only reason I tried it. It’s way too low. I agree. If I want to keep my hair, is there a better option. I hate that propicia sticky crap topically applied.

To the prior response. I didn’t think you wanted estrogen to go up due to all the issues that presents?? My estradiol is in range.?.? I thought that was the goal.

Also, my lipids rarely change significantly wether at TRT dose or at this level of test e. Tren f’d up my HDL once but it came right back to my typical 30-40 range. Generally my tri-glycerides are high and always are. Genetic...father has it too.

Is 4K+ Test score normal given 500 test e? I’m new to the LC/MS test show over 1500.

I look at it like this , if your hair was falling out before jumping in to this lifestyle and now you want to save your hair ... I'll be honest bro ,
Take the L on this .

Adding DHT blockers defeats the whole purpose of running gear.
Focus more on your health and gains.


I understand the need to keep your hair as it's important to us men along with libido but be honest with yourself .

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[kelkel]

Adding DHT blockers defeats the whole purpose of running gear.

Unless you have BPH

[Notpretty]

Unless you have BPH

No BPH. Had it once though but it was related to a urinary tract infection...got inflamed. Two weeks and psa dropped from 17.8 (not a typo) to 1.3. Scary, but a freak deal. Been in range ever since.

So, I’ll cut back the AI. Dump the DHT blocker, if gyno 10 mgs nolvadex which I do have. I do take enduracin. I take 2400 mgs fish oil and 1200 mgs NAC. I’ll look into red yeast and read the link you added. And pray my hair loss doesn’t increase rapidly. It’s been a steady decline for 4-5 years regardless of propecia so maybe it’s likely just genetic and there’s not much I can do. Getting old sucks at times. Modify this lift, shoulder not good today, wrist needs a wrap. Wa wa waaa.. Anyway Thanks!

Also thanks to gearhead!! I’ve developed a trust with Kelkel’s comments over the years so it’s great having that sense with gearhead too. There’s just so much BS on the web so it’s hard to know what to believe and trust.

Thanks all!!

[kelkel]

No BPH. Had it once though but it was related to a urinary tract infection...got inflamed. Two weeks and psa dropped from 17.8 (not a typo) to 1.3. Scary, but a freak deal. Been in range ever since.

So, I’ll cut back the AI. Dump the DHT blocker, if gyno 10 mgs nolvadex which I do have. I do take enduracin. I take 2400 mgs fish oil and 1200 mgs NAC. I’ll look into red yeast and read the link you added. And pray my hair loss doesn’t increase rapidly. It’s been a steady decline for 4-5 years regardless of propecia so maybe it’s likely just genetic and there’s not much I can do. Getting old sucks at times. Modify this lift, shoulder not good today, wrist needs a wrap. Wa wa waaa.. Anyway Thanks!

Also thanks to gearhead!! I’ve developed a trust with Kelkel’s comments over the years so it’s great having that sense with gearhead too. There’s just so much BS on the web so it’s hard to know what to believe and trust.

Thanks all!!

Much appreciated NP. I'll say thanks for both myself and GH.

[GearHeaded]

. I didn’t think you wanted estrogen to go up due to all the issues that presents?? My estradiol is in range.?.? I thought that was the goal. .

keeping E in "normal" range is great for "normal" people or for guys who are on TRT (the goal of which is to have normal test levels and not low levels). this is completely different thing then someone who is running a cycle of steroids who is far from "normal" .. you really think those blood test ranges of 'normal' were designed around someone that has Androgen levels 20 times higher then a normal person.. no.

on cycle, your androgen levels go up to astronomical levels (your no longer normal) . your body is designed to have its E levels also go up at the same time (at least with test). therefore the "normal" range no longer applies to you.

again, trying to keep E in range as a normal person , natural or on TRT , makes total sense . but its a futile thing to try and do that when your whole goal of running a test only cycle is to sky rocket your androgen levels.

Estrogen is supposed to go up to higher ranges when your Test levels rise up off the charts.. estrogen is very synergistic with elevated androgens. Estrogen becomes a very very anabolic hormone when androgens are elevated (I've said this time and time again, when cattle are injected with Androgens to beef them up for slaughter, they are also injected with a ton of Estrogen to make the growth actually happen .. with 'only' the androgens they would not grow).

I personally don't see the point in running test only cycles yet try and keep estrogen in a normal persons range. why not just run something that does not convert to estrogen in the first place (like most steroids) ?

the reason guys in the off season will run high dosages of Test to their cycles is because test is one of the best compounds at converting to estrogen and thus helping with overall muscle and mass growth. if your not looking for that synergistic effect of elevated estrogen and androgens to help put on size, then theres really no point in running a test only cycle (especially if your just going to block what test does in the first place).

I could write an entire book about this so I won't go on and on. just wanted to say blocking estrogen to that degreee and blocking DHT (the two things test are designed to do) seems a little bit pointless to me. and seems if thats your goal you'd be better off running a steroid that does not convert to estrogen or DHT to begin with. why cycle with "test only" when you don't want the test only effects.
just a thought


edit : I'm exaggerating my thoughts here to a degree just to drive home a point . of course having some estrogen control and not getting gyno etc. is a good thing on cycle.

[kelkel]

I could write an entire book about this

And you should. The "Modern Underground Steroid Handbook."