Should Obesity be classified as a disease?

[EDCG19]

Yes it kind of should be a disease because we have too many fat fucks causing $$$ issues in any country where they choose to stay obese and drain the country resources
Here's the thing the leading cause of death is heart disease and has been for what 60 years now? Its a serious issue and we need to figure this out

I'm still pro eating meat and don't think going vegan is the total solution but there is something seriously wrong with the modern diet and living style of human beings
Heart disease is killing more people every year than anything else (this shit has been worrying me lately as well because of gear use and popping a heart valve during lifting, not sure anymore)

Carbs are also an issue in some cases, people eating straight up junk food. They buy donuts and sugary cookies at work and I don't get it, you're not getting anything but sugar and fat out of that donut
I dont need that

[fiddlesticks]

Yes it kind of should be a disease because we have too many fat fucks causing $$$ issues in any country where they choose to stay obese
Here's the thing the leading cause of death is heart disease and has been for what 60 years now? Its a serious issue and we need to figure this out

I'm still pro eating meat and don't think going vegan is the total solution but there is something seriously wrong with the modern diet and living style of human beings
Heart disease is killing more people every year than anything else (this shit has been worrying me lately as well because of gear use and popping a heart valve during lifting, not sure anymore)

It isnt the diet man it's just people hate living in 2019 lol. Nothing is the damn way nature intended it to be. People overeat because pleasure is harder to come by when you have stupidly hard life goals. We are made to fuck, sleep and eat not stress about shit that was never meant to even exist

[EDCG19]

It isnt the diet man it's just people hate living in 2019 lol. Nothing is the damn way nature intended it to be. People overeat because pleasure is harder to come by when you have stupidly hard life goals.

Don't get me started on this... "they" have destroyed the natural system of order in society and the natural way of life
I absolutely despise living and working in a large city, I gotta go off-grid and get out of this system before i waste more time supporting it with my time/life/resources
Fuck the system.

[fiddlesticks]

Don't get me started on this... "they" have destroyed the natural system of order in society and the natural way of life
I absolutely despise living and working in a large city, I gotta go off-grid and get out of this system before i waste more time supporting it with my time/life/resources
Fuck the system.

I seriously try hard as possible to maintain low as can be stress levels with modern day bullshit lol it gets v hard sometimes. So many modern things make me want to vomit repeatedly repeatedly.

[Gallowmere]

Yes it kind of should be a disease because we have too many fat fucks causing $$$ issues in any country where they choose to stay obese and drain the country resources
Here's the thing the leading cause of death is heart disease and has been for what 60 years now? Its a serious issue and we need to figure this out

I'm still pro eating meat and don't think going vegan is the total solution but there is something seriously wrong with the modern diet and living style of human beings
Heart disease is killing more people every year than anything else (this shit has been worrying me lately as well because of gear use and popping a heart valve during lifting, not sure anymore)

Carbs are also an issue in some cases, people eating straight up junk food. They buy donuts and sugary cookies at work and I don't get it, you're not getting anything but sugar and fat out of that donut
I dont need that

You contradicted yourself in your final paragraph: “carbs are also an issue”, then went on to acknowledge the actual problem. I’ll let this shot from Stephan Guyenet’s book cover the point for me:

[EDCG19]

You contradicted yourself in your final paragraph: “carbs are also an issue”, then went on to acknowledge the actual problem. I’ll let this shot from Stephan Guyenet’s book cover the point for me:

good catch but carbs are actually the issue the way i see it, the sugar industry fucked everything up 60 years ago telling people to eat more carbs instead of fats

[Gallowmere]

good catch but carbs are actually the issue the way i see it, the sugar industry fucked everything up 60 years ago telling people to eat more carbs instead of fats

Nope. See my recent conversation here with Prox. Taubes can get on his sugar nonsense all he wants, but the fact is, if you look at the data, people were still overeating on fat through all of that stuff. Sugar consumption has gone down over the last decade, yet asses continue to expand. It’s both, and always has been, it’s just a matter of the dance being skewed from time to time.

[MuscleScience]

Yes it kind of should be a disease because we have too many fat fucks causing $$$ issues in any country where they choose to stay obese and drain the country resources
Here's the thing the leading cause of death is heart disease and has been for what 60 years now? Its a serious issue and we need to figure this out

I'm still pro eating meat and don't think going vegan is the total solution but there is something seriously wrong with the modern diet and living style of human beings
Heart disease is killing more people every year than anything else (this shit has been worrying me lately as well because of gear use and popping a heart valve during lifting, not sure anymore)

Carbs are also an issue in some cases, people eating straight up junk food. They buy donuts and sugary cookies at work and I don't get it, you're not getting anything but sugar and fat out of that donut
I dont need that

Simple Carbs are probably 70% of the problem. Then you throw seed oils/fats and animal fats on top of it and it’s like throwing gas on a fire. Obesity and diabetes were non-existent in the general population. It was only a affliction or affluence. Being fat was actually so social status. If you were fat you had a lot of money to over eat.

Heart disease does have a genetic component but it’s not as wide spread of a culprit as many have made it out to be. Our genes haven’t drifted enough in the last 100 years to cause our skyrocketing rated of obesity. Cheap food, with high energy balance and low nutritional quality is the culprit.

“Poor people in America are fat, think about that shit for a moment.”
Roe Rogan

[Gallowmere]

Simple Carbs are probably 70% of the problem. Then you throw seed oils/fats and animal fats on top of it and it’s like throwing gas on a fire. Obesity and diabetes were non-existent in the general population. It was only a affliction or affluence. Being fat was actually so social status. If you were fat you had a lot of money to over eat.

Heart disease does have a genetic component but it’s not as wide spread of a culprit as many have made it out to be. Our genes haven’t drifted enough in the last 100 years to cause our skyrocketing rated of obesity. Cheap food, with high energy balance and low nutritional quality is the culprit.

“Poor people in America are fat, think about that shit for a moment.”
Roe Rogan

It all boils down to this: food is too damned easy to come by, period, full stop, end of debate. We’re not wired, as a species, to turn away from easily sourced calories. Most return for least investment and all of that. We see the same behavior in pretty much all living things. The only difference is that they don’t have thumbs, nor the brainpower to mass manufacture Doritos.

[Proximal]

It all boils down to this: food is too damned easy to come by, period, full stop, end of debate. We’re not wired, as a species, to turn away from easily sourced calories. Most return for least investment and all of that. We see the same behavior in pretty much all living things. The only difference is that they don’t have thumbs, nor the brainpower to mass manufacture Doritos.

And that crappy food is cheaper. We are also more attracted to sweet, salty & fatty foods (why not, they usually taste better to most). Thus the beauty of fast food (made even more appealing if you have a time crunch).

Within a stones throw from my high school (typical breakfast and/or lunch for most kids): 7-11, Starbucks, McDonalds, Taco Bell and In & Out Burger (which kicks major ass by the way).

[Gallowmere]

And that crappy food is cheaper. We are also more attracted to sweet, salty & fatty foods (why not, they usually taste better to most). Thus the beauty of fast food (made even more appealing if you have a time crunch).

Within a stones throw from my high school (typical breakfast and/or lunch for most kids): 7-11, Starbucks, McDonalds, Taco Bell and In & Out Burger (which kicks major ass by the way).

There are biological reasons for this that all tie into exactly what I said about most return for least investment. Fats and sugars are easily consumed in large quantities due to their being easily converted energy sources.

Sodium lacing does something similar, as it’s biological uses and requirements are vast. Hell, prior to the modern age, salt was a precious commodity, to the point where many ancient militaries paid a salt ration to soldiers. If you look at most foods in their natural states, they are all VERY potassium rich, but very sodium poor. As such, it makes sense that we developed a taste receptor specifically for it.

[Chrisp83TRT]

There are biological reasons for this that all tie into exactly what I said about most return for least investment. Fats and sugars are easily consumed in large quantities due to their being easily converted energy sources.

Sodium lacing does something similar, as it’s biological uses and requirements are vast. Hell, prior to the modern age, salt was a precious commodity, to the point where many ancient militaries paid a salt ration to soldiers. If you look at most foods in their natural states, they are all VERY potassium rich, but very sodium poor. As such, it makes sense that we developed a taste receptor specifically for it.

Eat bad processed foods , you will get 400% over your daily sodium needs no problem

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[Gallowmere]

Eat bad processed foods , you will get 400% over your daily sodium needs no problem

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Which is why I said “foods in their natural state”. Sodium is rather hard to come by without salting, even at my current 4250 kcals/day, specifically because I’m not eating out of boxes and cans. The most sodium rich things I currently eat are spinach and carrots.

[Proximal]

There are biological reasons for this that all tie into exactly what I said about most return for least investment. Fats and sugars are easily consumed in large quantities due to their being easily converted energy sources.

Biological reasons, yes of course, goes without saying. Regarding the special sensory receptor for salt, you lost me. We have specific sensory receptors for just about anything, not sure why you would think sodium is special.

Actually it would be “easier” for the body to covert a complex carbohydrate into ATP, than fat during cellular respiration, plus you don’t have the waste product of ketones. Sugar is not more “easily” converted into energy, it just passes through the digestive system & into the blood more quickly than complex carbohydrates (or carbohydrates lower on the GI index).

[Gallowmere]

Biological reasons, yes of course, goes without saying. Regarding the special sensory receptor for salt, you lost me. We have specific sensory receptors for just about anything, not sure why you would think sodium is special.

Actually it would be “easier” for the body to covert a complex carbohydrate into ATP, than fat during cellular respiration, plus you don’t have the waste product of ketones. Sugar is not more “easily” converted into energy, it just passes through the digestive system & into the blood more quickly than complex carbohydrates (or carbohydrates lower on the GI index).

We do not have sensory receptors for most micronutrients, at least in the quantities that would be biologically useful versus toxic. You can’t taste useful amounts of things like iron, magnesium, copper, etc. in the context of foods. You can detect them when in excessive quantities that could poison you, but that goes for pretty much anything. Sodium on the other hand, can be detected in very trace amounts, at least in people who haven’t had their senses pounded with stupid amounts of it from birth.

As for the carbohydrate versus fat thing: yes, it does convert more readily to usable energy, but contains FAR less. That said, my point was that people currently like to blame “carbs” for the obesity problem, when in reality, the only instance I can think of that isn’t a mixture of carbohydrate and fat that is constantly over-consumed is in the form of sodas.

It’s absurd to call ice cream, pizza or donuts “carbs”, just as it’s absurd to call them “fats”. They’re all very dense in both. Again, the only problematic exception is soda, and if you find someone trying to extoll the benefits of Mountain Dew, feel free to headbutt them in the throat.