Blood pressure

[Meloncap78]

About to start 4th week of test cyp 500mg and eq 300mg. I have been on TRT over 2 years AT 120mg weekly. My BP has been 116-120/70 always. Imagine my surprise when I took it tonight (attached pic). Any ideas? I don’t think it’s smart to be walking around like that.

[Windex]

Well your TRT blood pressure was not going to stay the same with 800mg of gear.

Lots of factors can effect BP : high sodium meal before test, stimulants, coffee, stress, etc. Depends on the environment that you did the trst

[almostgone]

I've seen worse values, but it would be better to get those numbers down.

It's best to take your BP several times/ day and get an average over the period of several days

[< <Samson> >]

^ what he said x2

Take a wider sample

I rarely get BP issues just on test

[Test Monsterone]

If you eat a typical American diet you will have high blood pressure. You have to cut out all processed foods, most cheeses, burgers, hot dogs, pizza, etc. All foods should be salad based with chicken and fish 9/10 times. 1/10 times lean beef. Don't eat any garbage and your blood pressure should be much better.

[Windex]

If you eat a typical American diet you will have high blood pressure. You have to cut out all processed foods, most cheeses, burgers, hot dogs, pizza, etc. All foods should be salad based with chicken and fish 9/10 times. 1/10 times lean beef. Don't eat any garbage and your blood pressure should be much better.

While I can get behind eliminating processed foods, it's quite a silly generalized statement to have a 9:1 ratio of white:red meat. Or having all foods be salad based. Not discrediting individualized results, but cant paint with a broad brush in nutrition.

[Meloncap78]

If you eat a typical American diet you will have high blood pressure. You have to cut out all processed foods, most cheeses, burgers, hot dogs, pizza, etc. All foods should be salad based with chicken and fish 9/10 times. 1/10 times lean beef. Don't eat any garbage and your blood pressure should be much better.

I am already currently eating a strict whole food diet and I don’t use salt. Here is my current daily intake.
M1- 3 whole eggs and 4 servings egg whites, 40g oats, 3oz 2% milk, 86g whole wheat bread and 30g peanut butter.

M2- 172g whole wheat bread, 7oz canned chicken breast, 40g real mayo.

M3- 7oz boneless skinless chicken thighs, 8oz jasmine rice, 172g brussel sprouts, 2tbsp olive oil

M4- 5oz boneless skinless chicken thighs, 6oz jasmine rice.

M5- (preworkout) 86g whole wheat bread, 30g peanut butter and a 5oz banana.

M6- (post workout) 7oz boneless skinless chicken thighs, 8oz jasmine rice, 4 large whole eggs and 85g broccoli florets.

[almostgone]

I am already currently eating a strict whole food diet and I don’t use salt. Here is my current daily intake.
M1- 3 whole eggs and 4 servings egg whites, 40g oats, 3oz 2% milk, 86g whole wheat bread and 30g peanut butter.

M2- 172g whole wheat bread, 7oz canned chicken breast, 40g real mayo.

M3- 7oz boneless skinless chicken thighs, 8oz jasmine rice, 172g brussel sprouts, 2tbsp olive oil

M4- 5oz boneless skinless chicken thighs, 6oz jasmine rice.

M5- (preworkout) 86g whole wheat bread, 30g peanut butter and a 5oz banana.

M6- (post workout) 7oz boneless skinless chicken thighs, 8oz jasmine rice, 4 large whole eggs and 85g broccoli florets.

I'm sticking with your BP coming from your cycle and again, your values are not in panic territory at all, just not.....desirable.

Your're in your fourth week, so your Hct has probably increased ( which it will), your E2 is undoubtedly higher ( which is natural), so you may be holding a little fluid.

Keep monitoring your BP and if it continues to elevate, address it.

Your diet is very clean, although if I ate that much chicken per day, I'd be farting feathers.

Edit: Just a glance I'd say you're getting the most sodium from your canned chicken, but I don't see that you're eating too much processed foods or taking in too much sodium.

[Test Monsterone]

While I can get behind eliminating processed foods, it's quite a silly generalized statement to have a 9:1 ratio of white:red meat. Or having all foods be salad based. Not discrediting individualized results, but cant paint with a broad brush in nutrition.

I just went from 140/90 to 105/55 in a month of doing this diet. The only carbs I eat are a small piece of bread in the morning with my eggs and turkey bacon, and as toppings on the salad. He's already eating a healthy diet, so what else is he going to do, or what other suggestions do you have? Destressing and eliminating stimulants never did much for me personally.

I am already currently eating a strict whole food diet and I don’t use salt. Here is my current daily intake.
M1- 3 whole eggs and 4 servings egg whites, 40g oats, 3oz 2% milk, 86g whole wheat bread and 30g peanut butter.

M2- 172g whole wheat bread, 7oz canned chicken breast, 40g real mayo.

M3- 7oz boneless skinless chicken thighs, 8oz jasmine rice, 172g brussel sprouts, 2tbsp olive oil

M4- 5oz boneless skinless chicken thighs, 6oz jasmine rice.

M5- (preworkout) 86g whole wheat bread, 30g peanut butter and a 5oz banana.

M6- (post workout) 7oz boneless skinless chicken thighs, 8oz jasmine rice, 4 large whole eggs and 85g broccoli florets.

Each egg has 62% of the suggested daily value of cholesterol. You're eating 3. I eat one egg with an equivalent amount of egg white mixed together with two pieces of low-sodium turkey bacon and a cucumber/camapari tomato/feta/vinegar salad. The Bombay as I like to call it. I really suggest you cutting down to 1 egg a day.

You're also eating a lot of peanut butter. I would remove that.


Just try my suggestion and for a week or two eat everything except breakfast with a base of Romaine lettuce. No rice, no disgusting boiled chicken breast and broccoli. Use whatever dressing you want (within reason). PM me if you need some suggestions - I have this shit down. I have a ways to go but I lost 10 lbs in a month and my blood pressure is down from 140/90 to 105/55 as of this morning. I am on a blood pressure medicine - but I've been on it way before this diet, so it's not the medicine. At night I eat 0 carbs for my last meal and it's usually the Romaine/cucumber/tomato/feta/vinegar/tuna. I have been using a lot of vinegar with my salads and I think this may have some effect on the weight loss and blood pressure but I'm not sure.

[Meloncap78]

I just went from 140/90 to 105/55 in a month of doing this diet. The only carbs I eat are a small piece of bread in the morning with my eggs and turkey bacon, and as toppings on the salad. He's already eating a healthy diet, so what else is he going to do, or what other suggestions do you have? Destressing and eliminating stimulants never did much for me personally.






Each egg has 62% of the suggested daily value of cholesterol. You're eating 3. I eat one egg with an equivalent amount of egg white mixed together with two pieces of low-sodium turkey bacon and a cucumber/camapari tomato/feta/vinegar salad. The Bombay as I like to call it. I really suggest you cutting down to 1 egg a day.

You're also eating a lot of peanut butter. I would remove that.


Just try my suggestion and for a week or two eat everything except breakfast with a base of Romaine lettuce. No rice, no disgusting boiled chicken breast and broccoli. Use whatever dressing you want (within reason). PM me if you need some suggestions - I have this shit down. I have a ways to go but I lost 10 lbs in a month and my blood pressure is down from 140/90 to 105/55 as of this morning. I am on a blood pressure medicine - but I've been on it way before this diet, so it's not the medicine. At night I eat 0 carbs for my last meal and it's usually the Romaine/cucumber/tomato/feta/vinegar/tuna. I have been using a lot of vinegar with my salads and I think this may have some effect on the weight loss and blood pressure but I'm not sure.

I love my eggs =(. I have been eating a lot of eggs every day for years. I just had a full CBC before blasting and my cholesterol is perfect. The PB on the other hand I may have to cut back on and add some healthy oils instead. I ummmm, seem to get a little backed up ahem......

[Charlie67]

Each egg has 62% of the suggested daily value of cholesterol. You're eating 3. I eat one egg with an equivalent amount of egg white

Not to beat the egg thing to death and scramble this helpful conversation, but I eat 4 whole eggs every morning, and 2-3 times a week eat 2-3 more for dinner. This may seem fowl to many of you, but both my cholesterol and BP are as perfect as a spring chicken. I also routinely eat boiled eggs which are hard to beat. As said by many above, individual nutritional results very.... sorry to poach your topic OP.

Best,
C-

[Test Monsterone]

Not to beat the egg thing to death and scramble this helpful conversation, but I eat 4 whole eggs every morning, and 2-3 times a week eat 2-3 more for dinner. This may seem fowl to many of you, but both my cholesterol and BP are as perfect as a spring chicken. I also routinely eat boiled eggs which are hard to beat. As said by many above, individual nutritional results very.... sorry to poach your topic OP.

Best,
C-

hahaha... you brought the (hen) house down with that one. You must be getting yolked on that diet.

[balance]

How much weight have you gained since beginning this cycle? How much weight have you gained over last year on trt?

I ask because my bp was always borderline high. I began trt and after a bout 6-8 months and gaining 10-15 lbs the borderline high turned to consistently high (not outrageous). Upon discussing this with a trainer ( highly knowledgeable in aas applications) it was clearly in my best interest to get bp sorted out, so while on a real cycle the bp would likely be one less issue to deal with.

Here’s the interesting thing as my weight has been more steady for an extended period of time it appears as though my bp is beginning to go back down some. It could be that the body is getting acclimated to the new weight I’m not sure. I will continue to monitor it as I would suggest anyone should do.


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[Meloncap78]

How much weight have you gained since beginning this cycle? How much weight have you gained over last year on trt?

I ask because my bp was always borderline high. I began trt and after a bout 6-8 months and gaining 10-15 lbs the borderline high turned to consistently high (not outrageous). Upon discussing this with a trainer ( highly knowledgeable in aas applications) it was clearly in my best interest to get bp sorted out, so while on a real cycle the bp would likely be one less issue to deal with.

Here’s the interesting thing as my weight has been more steady for an extended period of time it appears as though my bp is beginning to go back down some. It could be that the body is getting acclimated to the new weight I’m not sure. I will continue to monitor it as I would suggest anyone should do.


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I actually went on a cut when I got on TRT and lost about 25 lbs. i went from 215-220 20 something % bodyfat to 185 10-12%. Since starting this blast 4 weeks ago I have gained roughly a pound eating between 3800 to start the blast and now at 4000 cals daily. I am waiting for it to really kick to see where the weight gain comes in.

[GearHeaded]

is having a blood pressure of 220/100 a BAD thing ? maybe, or maybe not. it depends on the context. if your under a heavy squat then its perfectly normal to have that high of blood pressure. heck we do cardio and stress our heart getting our heart rate up to like 140 bpm. a permanent resting heart rate of 140 would be a bad thing. a resting chronic blood pressure of 220/100 would be a bad thing.

these things getting elevated acutely and under certain conditions is perfectly normal. you just started blasting steroids and eating 4000 cals per day. its an "Acute" and normal condition for your blood volume to begin increasing and your blood pressure to go up with that.
just like its normal for your BP to get up over 220/100 when you squat. the problem is IF or when this condition becomes chronic or permanent.

but this is not your condition. its not chronic. its a temporary acute thing.. your body will acclimate and reach homeostasis and your blood pressure will normalize.
if your fairly new to running AAS, and you run a cycle and begin to train hard and eat in a huge calorie surplus and your blood pressure did NOT go up . then I'd say you have a problem, your gear is likely fake or your deceiving yourself and your not eating near enough.

on the other hand . guys that have been doing this game for 5-15+ years and have put on say 30-50 pounds of muscle and have several dozen cycles under their belt . they have reached a state of being acclimated for quite some time and their blood pressure is generally always fairly stable no matter how much gear they are running.
newer users though, you have to go through the time and the growing pains . your BP is going to go up. thats part of it.. but eventually you acclimate. its when your BP stays high chronically that there is a problem . but getting elevated at the start of a cycle and a bulk phase is totally normal


years ago I was only a 150 pound cyclist and runner.. the first time I ever bulked up to 200 pounds (and still lean) my blood pressure was 200/100 . but over time I've acclimated. my blood pressure generally runs 115/70 at 210 pounds now. the high blood pressure was just an acute thing that balanced itself out over time

[GearHeaded]

warning , RANT upcoming .

the reason why gyms are filled with 160 pound dudes that all have been running their Test only cycles for years, yet are all still only 160 pounds is because everyone has become a health Fien hypochondriac. they never grow. they run low doses, don't train hard, and eat too "healthy".
blood pressure is slightly out of range , uh oh I better tone it down. Lipid profile on bloods is a little off base, uh oh I better stay away from red meat and eat salads instead. liver values are slightly elevated, uh oh I better stay away from oral AAS and stick to test only.

the only way you grow is if you push the envelope and MAKE your body grow. this generally means going though temporary/acute moments where health markers may be slightly skewed. but thats fine. your body will adapt and then grow and change.


OP - this rant is not directed at you. I'm just talking in general here

[Meloncap78]

warning , RANT upcoming .

the reason why gyms are filled with 160 pound dudes that all have been running their Test only cycles for years, yet are all still only 160 pounds is because everyone has become a health Fien hypochondriac. they never grow. they run low doses, don't train hard, and eat too "healthy".
blood pressure is slightly out of range , uh oh I better tone it down. Lipid profile on bloods is a little off base, uh oh I better stay away from red meat and eat salads instead. liver values are slightly elevated, uh oh I better stay away from oral AAS and stick to test only.

the only way you grow is if you push the envelope and MAKE your body grow. this generally means going though temporary/acute moments where health markers may be slightly skewed. but thats fine. your body will adapt and then grow and change.


OP - this rant is not directed at you. I'm just talking in general here

I completely get it man. That guy was me! Not this cycle however. I will grow on this cycle. I am eating at 4k and I’m not going to stop. I have a decent balance between calorie dense foods and lean clean foods. I’m sticking to whole foods only. No protein shakes etc. The only way Im gonna grow is to hit the weights hard and make damn sure im definitely hitting my caloric goal every single day. I know for a fact that a doc won’t put you on bp meds unless you are chronically 160/90ish (unless you are the doc that I went to see during my heavy drinking days and threw me on bisoprolol without batting an eye for being 140/80). That stuff started getting to me mentally after about 2 months so I dropped it. I wasn’t honest with my doc about my heavy alcohol abuse so it was partly my fault. I greatly appreciate the diet and other advice given here. I’m generally new to blasting. I have 2 other failed test only attempts under my belt. My first cycle the gear was underdosed and my test levels mid cycle came back at only 1500ng/dl. Second cycle the gear was good but I didn’t track my cals therefore I failed. Mostly the problem all along has been me.

[GearHeaded]

just a note regarding diet ..

umm yeah, sure eating very low or no carb, eating lots of salads, and eating lean clean meats, and eliminating calorie dense foods IS going to lower your blood pressure. the reason why is because your going to be getting depleted, smaller by the day, and lose muscle. of course your blood pressure goes down when your shrinking.

but when your eating dense foods, lots of carbs and packing on the muscle, and your growing.. guess what, you blood pressure is going to go up.
this is just biology and how things work.

so decde whats more important to you . eating salads and shrinking so that the numbers on a blood pressure meter go down . or eating big and running a bunch of gear and carbs and packing on muscle (with momentary blood pressure increase to go along with that)

[Test Monsterone]

just a note regarding diet ..

umm yeah, sure eating very low or no carb, eating lots of salads, and eating lean clean meats, and eliminating calorie dense foods IS going to lower your blood pressure. the reason why is because your going to be getting depleted, smaller by the day, and lose muscle. of course your blood pressure goes down when your shrinking.

but when your eating dense foods, lots of carbs and packing on the muscle, and your growing.. guess what, you blood pressure is going to go up.
this is just biology and how things work.

so decde whats more important to you . eating salads and shrinking so that the numbers on a blood pressure meter go down . or eating big and running a bunch of gear and carbs and packing on muscle (with momentary blood pressure increase to go along with that)

I agree with you that if he wants to gain muscle he's going to have to put up with an increase in blood pressure. My last cycle I went up about 15-20 points in blood pressure at times. It wasn't clear from his first post what his intentions with his cycle were - to get ripped or gain mass. I will say though, that having elevated blood pressure is not good at any time. It is a side effect of steroids, diet, and lifting heavy shit, but it's not like it's every ok or healthy. A lot of people have strokes or heart attacks at the gym for a reason.

[GearHeaded]

I will say though, that having elevated blood pressure is not good at any time. It is a side effect of steroids, diet, and lifting heavy shit, but it's not like it's every ok or healthy. A lot of people have strokes or heart attacks at the gym for a reason.

according to this logic . doing cardio is not healthy then. as it elevates heart rate and blood pressure for up to several hours. BUT why has it been proven over the years that physical activity and exercise IS heart healthy.

its because this temporary and acute stress on the heart strengthens it and makes it healthier.

so I would disagree . acute elevations in heart rate and blood pressure are not only perfectly ok, they are beneficial..

again, the problem is when something becomes a chronic condition . not an accute one . like if your heart rate after cardio stayed elevated permanently at 130 bpm. but an acute elevated heart rate is a beneficial thing. and likewise, acute elevated blood pressure has its benefits and its purposes , as long as it does not stay that way chronically

[Test Monsterone]

according to this logic . doing cardio is not healthy then. as it elevates heart rate and blood pressure for up to several hours. BUT why has it been proven over the years that physical activity and exercise IS heart healthy.

its because this temporary and acute stress on the heart strengthens it and makes it healthier.

so I would disagree . acute elevations in heart rate and blood pressure are not only perfectly ok, they are beneficial..

again, the problem is when something becomes a chronic condition . not an accute one . like if your heart rate after cardio stayed elevated permanently at 130 bpm. but an acute elevated heart rate is a beneficial thing. and likewise, acute elevated blood pressure has its benefits and its purposes , as long as it does not stay that way chronically

** I should have said that no weight lifting related increases in blood pressure are healthy**

Cardio is aerobic and weight lifting is not. Two completely different things. Holding your breathe during a squat puts an incredible amount of pressure on your heart and arteries. Same with bench press or anything else where you strain. I’m not talking about taking a jog and breathing at a steady rate.

Acute significant increases in blood pressure cause micro tears in the endothelial walls of the arteries which then become clogged with cholesterol and leads to artherosclerosis.

I know you’ll get more thumbs up than me but this is an inconvenient truth.

[GearHeaded]

Cardio is aerobic and weight lifting is not. Two completely different things. Holding your breathe during a squat puts an incredible amount of pressure on your heart and arteries. Same with bench press or anything else where you strain. I’m not talking about taking a jog and breathing at a steady rate.

Acute significant increases in blood pressure cause micro tears in the endothelial walls of the arteries which then become clogged with cholesterol and leads to artherosclerosis.

I know you’ll get more thumbs up than me but this is an inconvenient truth.

ok lets just go ahead and dismiss the weight lifting thing all together . lets say you ONLY do cardio . well cardio elevates your heart rate and your blood pressure during the time your doing it , up to several hours afterwards.

you said that ANY elevation in blood pressure is a bad thing (acute or chronic) . so are you saying that cardio is bad for you then being it elevates blood pressure ? that most the studies on exercise and heart health are wrong ? I mean if ANY elevation in blood pressure is bad, then cardio must be bad too , right ?


in regards to the weight lifting .. does weight lifting cause bodily stress and damage ? of course.. tendons, joints, muscles, the vascular systems, the nervous system . but guess what. thats how we grow and adapt. no one ever said its going to be an easy peasy healthy experience. there is no growth without break down, stress, and adaptation .

for guys that are more concerned with overall health and living to 100 years old without even so much as a callous on their hand ,, they should probably live in a bubble and stay out of the weight room (also, they should stay away from AAS , fast cars, fast women, and good whisky, and all the other finer things in life that may take a year or two off your lifespan ).

[Meloncap78]

I’m just glad that there are knowledgeable experienced members in here that actually help those that are fairly new without instant negative criticism providing no real help in the end. I cannot wait to see where proper training, diet and responsible AAS use gets me.

[JackMan017]

OP I've never even ran a cycle and my blood pressure is always in the 140's, first thing in the AM, taken consistently in the AM in the same manner. I can't imagine I'd have a lower reading at any other time of my day other than first thing in the AM. I'm using an Omron monitor. Your post has me curious as to how much more my blood pressure can rise if I do a 500 test cycle. And like Gearheaded mentioned, I'm not about to drop every carb (and sodium) from my diet so I can shrink to nothing so I can drop my systolic 10 points. I'm thinking about trying an ARB, (angio receptor blocker) I'm hoping this could lower it.

[Ashop]

About to start 4th week of test cyp 500mg and eq 300mg. I have been on TRT over 2 years AT 120mg weekly. My BP has been 116-120/70 always. Imagine my surprise when I took it tonight (attached pic). Any ideas? I don’t think it’s smart to be walking around like that.

That's too high but I would double check it and not rely too much on those store machines. If your a bigger guy, you need a different size cuff to get your actual BP #

[TRA]

That's too high but I would double check it and not rely too much on those store machines. If your a bigger guy, you need a different size cuff to get your actual BP #

^^^ This. If you have any size to your arms at all (if cuff is remotely snug when putting arm in before it inflates) you can get a falsely elevated reading.

Agree with posts recommending random bp checks. It could be like this after caffeine and driving in city traffic. Or it could be high all the time. Only way to check is random checks, especially early in the morning before you start the daily grind.

Also, check a CBC and see what your RBC/Hemoglobin/hematocrit is running. A chem panel to check kidney status would be good as a baseline now, too.

And elevated bp for too long is bad. Basically it’s fluid dynamics in your arteries - the higher the pressure the more it erodes the lining when your arteries are susceptible (areas where they curve a lot). These areas are the heart and brain...the erosion of the inside lining of the artery allows plague to start to grow, so it starts clogging off the artery slowly, especially with a poor diet (carbs + saturated fats). The plaque can then almost close off the artery completely so a small vasospasm closes it and stops blood flow, or the plaque breaks off and travels to smaller diameter of artery downstream and cuts off blood flow - both result in loss of blood flow, meaning no oxygen, to an area in the heart or the brain. Pretty basic science and pretty preventable but it’s silent and has no symptoms til too late. Just check it out, even if you need to have the doc or a minute clinic assess it properly. Then if it’s determined to be elevated, take a bp med (ACE inhibitor best if you tolerate it). Recheck if you come off cycle, and periodically.

Really simple and no reason to end up f’d up as it’s manageable once you determine what is going on.

[Meloncap78]

^^^ This. If you have any size to your arms at all (if cuff is remotely snug when putting arm in before it inflates) you can get a falsely elevated reading.

Agree with posts recommending random bp checks. It could be like this after caffeine and driving in city traffic. Or it could be high all the time. Only way to check is random checks, especially early in the morning before you start the daily grind.

Also, check a CBC and see what your RBC/Hemoglobin/hematocrit is running. A chem panel to check kidney status would be good as a baseline now, too.

And elevated bp for too long is bad. Basically it’s fluid dynamics in your arteries - the higher the pressure the more it erodes the lining when your arteries are susceptible (areas where they curve a lot). These areas are the heart and brain...the erosion of the inside lining of the artery allows plague to start to grow, so it starts clogging off the artery slowly, especially with a poor diet (carbs + saturated fats). The plaque can then almost close off the artery completely so a small vasospasm closes it and stops blood flow, or the plaque breaks off and travels to smaller diameter of artery downstream and cuts off blood flow - both result in loss of blood flow, meaning no oxygen, to an area in the heart or the brain. Pretty basic science and pretty preventable but it’s silent and has no symptoms til too late. Just check it out, even if you need to have the doc or a minute clinic assess it properly. Then if it’s determined to be elevated, take a bp med (ACE inhibitor best if you tolerate it). Recheck if you come off cycle, and periodically.

Really simple and no reason to end up f’d up as it’s manageable once you determine what is going on.

Arms are a little under 16” flexed so they aren’t big. Had cbc before this blast and everything was good. HCT was 45 before giving blood. Cholesterol and all other markers were good.

[Meloncap78]

Had another high reading tonight of 185/96. Wtf is going on here, this is only 500mg test cyp and I am only 3.5 weeks in. The 300mg EQ I am stacking with it hasn’t even had time to build yet.

[TRA]

Had another high reading tonight of 185/96. Wtf is going on here, this is only 500mg test cyp and I am only 3.5 weeks in. The 300mg EQ I am stacking with it hasn’t even had time to build yet.

Personally I would confirm in a Minute Clinic or doctor’s office (you can count your two random readings and the third would be on the clinic visit). Three separate high blood pressure readings constitutes a diagnosis of high blood pressure. Just get on a low side effect bp med (lisinopril, etc.), probably need near max dose, get it controlled and continue to rock. Recheck when off cycle immediately. If it is gear related no biggy, you can come off when off cycle and back on when indicated. Just keep an eye on it.

[GearHeaded]

Had another high reading tonight of 185/96. Wtf is going on here, this is only 500mg test cyp and I am only 3.5 weeks in. The 300mg EQ I am stacking with it hasn’t even had time to build yet.

water retention . try a 3 day mini depletion. if your BP drops 20 points from doing that you know your prone to water retention right now.
so cut out ALL of your carbs and eat in a calorie deficit, and even try intermittent fasting. eat only moderate protein and healthy fats. nothing more (veggies kept to a minimum as well). do your normal weight workouts and when finished do a 30+ minute moderate intensity cardio session on a spin bike or step mill (these are more glycogenic in nature and will deplete you much faster then doing a treadmill).

you can also try and take an herbal diuretic for these 3 days. don't over drink water. just drink based on thirst. then the 3rd day cut your water back some. along with that dieuretic you can take 2 shots of straight vodka each night (don't go anymore and get drunk).
get some pedialyte advanced electrolyte drink and drink that on the 4th day and begin upping your water intake and slowly bringing carbs back in..
BUT on the morning of the 4th day your BP will likely be much lower. keep in mind your not trying to 'dehydrate' , your simply trying to 'deplete' some and lose some of the excess water retention to see if thats causing your BP issues (which it likely is).


this is super common for newer AAS users . you retain a crap ton of water from the introduction of physiological dosages. NO its not estrogen, lol. its water retention and a super compensation of minerals, nutrients, electrolytes, etc..
years ago when I was first getting going with AAS myself. I made several trips to the doc/ emergency clinic. with BP of over 200/100. I now run over 4x those dosages and a multitude of more compounds I used to run and my BP rarely goes over 120/80 now (when on cycle). you'll acclimate over time
but I've used these mini depletion phases several times myself and seen others do similar.

[99JT]

Had another high reading tonight of 185/96. Wtf is going on here, this is only 500mg test cyp and I am only 3.5 weeks in. The 300mg EQ I am stacking with it hasn’t even had time to build yet.

How are you checking it? I wouldn't go by a machine at a store if that's what your using most are only good for like 13" arms. I had a similar issue before checked it at the store it was high so I checked it a couple more times and it went up every time since I was stressing about it.

[Family_guy]

Had another high reading tonight of 185/96. Wtf is going on here, this is only 500mg test cyp and I am only 3.5 weeks in. The 300mg EQ I am stacking with it hasn’t even had time to build yet.

My BP wasn’t that high mine was more like 160/85 within the first week of my fromtlaoded test cycle. I could feel the high blood pressure. I had some head aches etc. anyways it went away shortly after and now I’m around where I always am 120/70

[GearHeaded]

oh and also if you do the depletion, don't go taking any supplements. like pre workouts, stims, bcaa, carb powder, creatine, etc..

[Meloncap78]

oh and also if you do the depletion, don't go taking any supplements. like pre workouts, stims, bcaa, carb powder, creatine, etc..

Thank you sir! So am I still safe to deadlift tonight or is that a bad idea? The weird part is my pulse is low in the high 50’s. I just want to make sure I’m not gonna have a stroke lol.

[Windex]

Way too paranoid about a slightly elevated blood pressure. If BP is making you panic this much (ironic) then would avoid 19nors in the future.

As mentioned like 100 times now, do multiple readings in a controlled environment Doing one reading at night at CVS after a workout then another reading in the morning after a coffee etc is useless.

[Meloncap78]

Way too paranoid about a slightly elevated blood pressure. If BP is making you panic this much (ironic) then would avoid 19nors in the future.

As mentioned like 100 times now, do multiple readings in a controlled environment Doing one reading at night at CVS after a workout then another reading in the morning after a coffee etc is useless.

That avatar is great man lol. It’s not so much panic, as I said my heart rate is low in the low 60’s. Just want to make sure I’m not doing any damage. It was high last night and I said hell with it and banged out 10 sets of 10 deads with 225 then moved to leg extensions and leg curls. I slept like a baby for the first time in a week after and woke up feeling great.

[< <Samson> >]

I only use a wrist cuf at home

Since I been in the hospital a bit lately, they always use the medium cuff. The biggest is for 20”+

[fiddlesticks]

Another huge factor in bp (the biggest one I think physiologically speaking) is ambient temp. Warmer it is lower BP will tend to be. This makes a VERY big difference. The more aggressively the body is trying to retain heat more BP rises from vasoconstriction.

TMI but this is probably a big reason so many people get heart problems when they are on the toilet and the seat is cold. Elvis died that way right?

Also very general disclaimer , if I post some weird half written or blank shit it's because my new phone's screen is coming out lol

[Meloncap78]

Man I haven’t had a stomach bug in almost 20 years. The wife and I had a planned trip to the ADK and we both got to the cabin and got sick. Wouldn’t wish a stomach bug on my worst enemy.

[tarmyg]

What is the result you have after measuring your BP several times per day and averaging it out?