TRT rage

[EDCG19]

Let your body adjust to the elevated estrogen. Once you stop the AI, you'll get an initial flux in ew after about 73 hours. That's probably the point at you feel "fuck this, I feel different, time for AI"

So the few day's you've stopped, didn't really start estrogen build up till after days. Give it a good 7-10 days after stopping AI to reassess if you need it.

Fwiw, NO ONE NEEDS an AI. You can run elevated estrogen and be better than ok

Then some people NEED AN AI, it's just going to be highly educated guesses based on blood work not taken frequently enough to get a perfect answer, unless you want to pull bloods every 2 weeks.

Which is unnecessary, pick a plan, stay with it, run bloods on that protocol without deviation. Then adjust based on what bloods revel

If i dont need the ai than why was i an emotional mess, i feel it was the estrogen as this doesnt happen often
im not sure but i may have talked about this before, it seems the ai does help but damn i dont kmow anymore i ran dex for months straight and once im off im different

[Windex]

If i dont need the ai than why was i an emotional mess, i feel it was the estrogen as this doesnt happen often
im not sure but i may have talked about this before, it seems the ai does help but damn i dont kmow anymore i ran dex for months straight and once im off im different

Because you have other hormones in your body beyond just Test and Estrogen, and those hormones can cause estrogen dominance and produce unwanted sides. Like I said, if you are only doing Test + HCG then your HRT is incomplete and you are going to run into problems or mask symptoms with drugs that aren't needed.

[Couchlockd]

Because you have other hormones in your body beyond just Test and Estrogen, and those hormones can cause estrogen dominance and produce unwanted sides. Like I said, if you are only doing Test + HCG then your HRT is incomplete and you are going to run into problems or mask symptoms with drugs that aren't needed.

What else is actually needed in trt? Dhea, pregnenolone, progestin?

[Chrisp83TRT]

What else is actually needed in trt? Dhea, pregnenolone, progestin?

Dyfy didn't have me on anything but adex , test and HCG ... And dhea which did nothing .

Of coarse mood will.change bro .

It's like coming off a dependent drug .. it will have you respond poorly without it.

You have to give it time to weed out of your system and you should be good .



That goes with any thing you put into your body.

Stay happy brother

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[Windex]

What else is actually needed in trt? Dhea, pregnenolone, progestin?

I would say Vitamin D is a mandatory hormone because it's responsible for the signalling pathways of other hormones. On paper this would be less fluctuations and more stabilized hormones (ergo moods)IIRC it's also something like top 3 or top 5 deficiencies in North America.

I have little BW, experience, and just anecdote but DHEA seems like another huge one. Used a lot in functional medicine to help with low T. Dr Crisler has all his patients on it men and women. Maybe a placebo effect but it's very inexpensive in Canada so should be even cheaper in USA

I may be an advocate of permanent Deca and/or Primo by the end of this cruise.

May also be a matter of supplementation rather than hormones for OP's case. Magnesium to calm the body anabolic DIM for estrogen

[Chrisp83TRT]

I would say Vitamin D is a mandatory hormone because it's responsible for the signalling pathways of other hormones. On paper this would be less fluctuations and more stabilized hormones (ergo moods)IIRC it's also something like top 3 or top 5 deficiencies in North America.

I have little BW, experience, and just anecdote but DHEA seems like another huge one. Used a lot in functional medicine to help with low T. Dr Crisler has all his patients on it men and women. Maybe a placebo effect but it's very inexpensive in Canada so should be even cheaper in USA

I may be an advocate of permanent Deca and/or Primo by the end of this cruise.

May also be a matter of supplementation rather than hormones for OP's case. Magnesium to calm the body anabolic DIM for estrogen

What's DIM ?

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[Couchlockd]

What's DIM ?

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It's an extract of cruciferous Vegetables that indeed works great as an AI with trt dose test.

I taje it every other day @ 250mg

Diindolyl-methane is it's non abreviated name

[Chrisp83TRT]

It's an extract of cruciferous Vegetables that indeed works great as an AI with trt dose test.

I taje it every other day @ 250mg

Diindolyl-methane is it's non abreviated name

Where do I get this ?
Thanks for the Info bro

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[Windex]

It's an extract of cruciferous Vegetables that indeed works great as an AI with trt dose test.

I taje it every other day @ 250mg

Diindolyl-methane is it's non abreviated name

Why EOD vs 125mg every day?

[Family_guy]

What's DIM ?

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Dim witted! You know who I’m talking about

[Youthful55guy]

What's DIM ?

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As previously mentioned, cruciferous vegetables, such as cabbage and broccoli are rich in a substance called indole-3-carbinol (I3C) and related compounds. Collectively, they are called Diindolylmethane (DIM, in short). DIM helps to promote the metabolism of Estradiol (E2) to lesser active Estriol (E3), which is also a dead end (irreversible) pathway to leading to elimination from the body.

DIM has 3 main effects in men: 1) To reduce levels of highly active E2, 2) to promote displacement of some T from SHBG because E3 has a higher affinity to binding to SHBG than E2 (but still lower than T), and 3) To lower SHBG levels through the action of lowering E2 levels (E2 promotes SHBG production but E3 does not). The net effect of these 3 mechanisms is to increase Free T and reduce bound T, which we all know is a good thing for guys, particularly as we age.

Lowering E2 levels also is advantageous to reducing the risk of prostate cancer, as it is thought that the ratio of T to E is a much more important driving factor in prostate cancer than levels of DHT. Many experts recommend 250-300 mg of DIM per day to reduce the risk of prostate cancer. in fact, a study demonstrated that 3 or more servings of cruciferous vegetables a week can reduce prostate cancer risk almost by half.

I did play around with DIM in my early days of TRT when I was not as well informed as I am now and was (like a lot of guys) paranoid of E2. I combined it with a number of estrogen lowering compounds (including anastrozole) and ended up crushing my E2 down to <5 pg/mL (lower than the assay could detect). I did not feel all that great and has some bad ED as a result. I ended up stopping all E2 treatment and let my E2 increase to the 35 to 50 range, which is where I feel my best.

This is a timely post bringing up the subject of DIM because up until now, I had not considered adding DIM back into my protocol but with more reasonable (or no) use of anastrozole. I'm going to have to add this to my future experiments in balancing my new TRT protocol. My new protocol calls for slightly higher T than in the past (up to 200 mg/week in an E2D protocol) and no Winstrol (to lower my very high SHBG). Perhaps DIM can effectively lower SHBG so that I do not have to go as high on T as I need to do using anastrozole. Food for thought anyway!

[Windex]

As previously mentioned, cruciferous vegetables, such as cabbage and broccoli are rich in a substance called indole-3-carbinol (I3C) and related compounds. Collectively, they are called Diindolylmethane (DIM, in short). DIM helps to promote the metabolism of Estradiol (E2) to lesser active Estriol (E3), which is also a dead end (irreversible) pathway to leading to elimination from the body.

DIM has 3 main effects in men: 1) To reduce levels of highly active E2, 2) to promote displacement of some T from SHBG because E3 has a higher affinity to binding to SHBG than E2 (but still lower than T), and 3) To lower SHBG levels through the action of lowering E2 levels (E2 promotes SHBG production but E3 does not). The net effect of these 3 mechanisms is to increase Free T and reduce bound T, which we all know is a good thing for guys, particularly as we age.

Lowering E2 levels also is advantageous to reducing the risk of prostate cancer, as it is thought that the ratio of T to E is a much more important driving factor in prostate cancer than levels of DHT. Many experts recommend 250-300 mg of DIM per day to reduce the risk of prostate cancer. in fact, a study demonstrated that 3 or more servings of cruciferous vegetables a week can reduce prostate cancer risk almost by half.

I did play around with DIM in my early days of TRT when I was not as well informed as I am now and was (like a lot of guys) paranoid of E2. I combined it with a number of estrogen lowering compounds (including anastrozole) and ended up crushing my E2 down to <5 pg/mL (lower than the assay could detect). I did not feel all that great and has some bad ED as a result. I ended up stopping all E2 treatment and let my E2 increase to the 35 to 50 range, which is where I feel my best.

This is a timely post bringing up the subject of DIM because up until now, I had not considered adding DIM back into my protocol but with more reasonable (or no) use of anastrozole. I'm going to have to add this to my future experiments in balancing my new TRT protocol. My new protocol calls for slightly higher T than in the past (up to 200 mg/week in an E2D protocol) and no Winstrol (to lower my very high SHBG). Perhaps DIM can effectively lower SHBG so that I do not have to go as high on T as I need to do using anastrozole. Food for thought anyway!

I have started DIM after reading Silabolin and Austinite's posts about it. 200mg/day

$10/month here so I imagine can be bought for $5-8/month in the US, if not cheaper.